Friday, February 03, 2006

"Guest worker" is a losing issue with this country

Stop "Guest Worker" Amnesty Program - Message to Nation's Political Leaders
The Minuteman Project announced a rally today in Washington, D.C., to bring attention to the national crisis of illegal immigration and the impending "guest worker" amnesty program before Congress. Minuteman Project Founder Jim Gilchrist and Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO) will speak against the proposed legislation.

I can't applaud this and Jason Atkinson's stance at the same time. Sorry.

"Our goal," commented Gilchrist, "is to stop the illegal alien 'guest worker amnesty program' dead in its tracks. Washington is out of touch on this issue. It's our job to make sure they know the stakes involved in this fight and that they will face the political consequences if they continue to ignore the wishes of the American people."

That sums it up for me.

363 comments:

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Sue K. said...

Why should we all of a sudden believe those pushing for a guest worker program? This is something that they could have been doing all along. That and securing our borders. It doesn't take a "rocket scientist" to figure these things out. Heck, if they wanted the American people to believe them, they could secure our borders NOW as a sign they were serious. I don't see that happening. Instead, you hear stories of Mexican incursions near El Paso (which totally piss me off) and elaborate drug tunnels. Our country is being made a fool of!! I think the guest worker issue is a "stall tactic" because you know they will have to do government study after government study. Let's stop the BS!! Secure our borders, enforce the existing laws we have and let's clean house!

Bruce said...

RIGHT ON...SUE!!!!!
YOU GO, GIRL!!!!

Ric said...

Don't we already have a Guest Worker Program ?

Federal H-1B Foreign Worker Visa program

I work at a certain large microprocessor manufacturer, who employs a large ( IMHO ) number of workers under this program, and has lobbied to have it expanded.

Honestly, I have not really looked into this in the past year+ so if this program was ended, I might not know.


The other place to check are countries where such a program exists - I believe Germany would be such an example.

I am not opposed to immigration.
I do want our government to enforce our laws - not change them because it is hard to do, or politically expedient.

Anonymous said...

Yes there is a H1b & H2b Visa program which allow an additional 65,000 Foreign, mostly Tax-Exempt Workers, every year, who wind up staying FOREVER, not temporarily. (C.I.S. report shows 17K p/yr. less pay than American counterpart). We also have a lottery of 50,000 people every year, from ANY Country, that get a Resident Alien Card. Combined with Education and Vacation/Visitor Visa's (often overstayed & forgotten) over 1.2 Million came here legally, last year, again. Add to this a higher average Birth Rate and you could say that over 2 million people a year already are Legally immigrating here. A Bill in Congress was introduced recently to increse the 65K to 350K. Numbers USA team stopped it dead!
FARMERS-Only Machines will make you competitive with Third World "Free Trade" workers in their low cost-of-living Country! Not Human Labor from the same place.

Torrid said...

if you folks are hoping that Atkinson links himself to a closeted supremacist like Jim Gilchrist, you are hoping for his candidacy to be doomed. Oregonians don't typically like people with such strong ties to racist hate groups like Gilchrist has, and the stink will rub off on Jason.

Abe said...

Jason Atkinson is a punk liar. I am listening to him on Lars right now. What a complete jerk. Flip Floppin worse than John F'in Kerry.

Time to eject this reject! At least Lars has the guts to call him out.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry Lars, but you treated Jason rudely. You wouldn't let him finish his ideas, and it made him frustrated...I think if you hadn't treated him so poorly, he would have stayed on to take calls.

I listen to you every day, I agree with you on 95% of what you have to say...but that was the worst you've ever treated anyone on your show that I've ever heard.

Anonymous said...

Lars has principles and doesn't except excuses. THANK YOU LARS! And shame on ANY ONE who accepts more excuses from Politicians.
TORRID, why in the heck are the Minuteman Racist? You can't be on the web and still be ignorant? R U?
If you don't stand up, you will fall over.

Anonymous said...

Jason got what he deserved. He wasn't answering the question and he was trying to BS his way through the interview. Lars did a great job.

In my opinion, Jason should just throw in the towel. I AM NOT VOTING FOR HIM.

Anonymous said...

Great job, great job Daniel and the rest of you numbskulls. We all know Jason is the best candidate, and yet what do we do, we attack him.

Another case of Republicans eating their own.

Jason has said repeatedly where he stands on the issue. Lars is making an illogical argument, that many people who are looking for the boogieman in the shadows believe. Jason is the most solid candidate on the issue of illegal immigration, and you guys are doing everything you can to tank his candidacy.

Good job, Daniel. By stabbing Jason in the back you just gauranteed another four years of sleepy ted. Which means another four years of "carnivale".

Next spring, when the carnivales are in full force, and you complain about them, keep in mind that you could have stopped them, but instead you chose cheap political attacks rather than engaging in thoughtful political debate.

Good Work. I hope you are proud.

Anonymous said...

What a bunch of dipshits! But what should we expect from those who worship the biggest dipshit of them all, Lars?

Abe said...

It isn't about Lars. It is about Jason supporting amnesty. We owe Lars for ferreting out Jason's support to let illegals in this state. As far as I am concerned, Jason blew up his own campaign.

Abe

BTW: Daniel is right on this so don't blame him for Jason sinking his own campaign. We owe Daniel one for bringing it to light.

Anonymous said...

One-issue hooligans! You'll never be happy.

Abe said...

It isn't one issue. Illegal aliens coming into this country affects other issues, namely funding for the services they use. If you don't realize that this causes problems on many levels, you should study a little.

Abe

Crackpot said...

Boo hoo hoo, poor Jason. Give me a break. If this is the guy you're picking to lead the state, he had better be able to handle some direct questions from Lars Larson, a man who has endorsed his candidacy. Though I found Lars handling of Atkinson a bit rough at first, he was not out of line. Lars was dead right. Jason was wrong and showed his ignorance on a vital issue. Choosing to blindly follow Bush on immigration policy should send shivers down your spine.

Lars could have handled the conversation a bit differently, but I have to applaud his performance. He's right on this one, passionate about it and would not tolerate spin.

I thought Atkinson displayed a lot of weakness today, some of which can probably be attributed to youth. I don't think he expected to be challenged by "a friend", felt like he was being attacked and slipped into "I'm being picked on" mode. He can't do that. If he's going to take a position on an issue, he had better know it well and be prepared to defend it. He cannot take it personally when challenged.

End of my freestyle rant.

Anonymous said...

You know, you black helicopter guys are really annoying. You are too ignorant to realize you are just cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Daniel and Lars did not "ferret out" Senator Atkinson you idiots, because there is nothing to ferret out! Jason is on our side.

The problem is, you have all taken a big swig of Lars' Kool-Aid and everytime you hear "guest worker" program you start going bezerk. The knee-jerk reaction you all give is really amazing, and frankly hurts your credibility.

You are so eager to jump on someone who actually supports your cause that you don't take the time to....THINK FOR YOURSELF. You rely on Lars to do the thinking for you.

Good work on this one......

Anonymous said...

I thought Lars was totally off base today with Jason. Lars' logic makes no sense whatsoever.

On the one hand, we can't kick the illegals out of the united states because that would disrupt the economy.

On the other hand, we can't let them stay here because that disrupts the economy.

But by God, if Jason doesn't pledge to do something immediately he must be in favor of illegal immigration!

Makes a lot of sense. Do you guys actually stop to think what you are saying? Or what Lars is saying.

Here is what I hear Atkinson say today: He opposes amnesty in any form. He supports a guest worker program that provides a workforce for agriculture.

He supports sanctions against employers of illegal immigrants, and supports taking away state benefits from illegal immigrants, as a means towards squeezing the law breakers out of the country.

WHAT THE F$%K IS WRONG WITH THAT??!?!?!

Crackpot said...

Great quip "anonymous", if that is your real name. I'll assume your "black helicopter" reference is a feeble attempt to relegate all who have posted on this topic as right-wing nut jobs.

I can't speak for anyone else, but Lars Larson does not think for me. That being said, I concur with his stated positions at least 50% of the time. On this particular issue, we are in complete agreement.

Do you have a relevant counterpoint to make? We'll wait...

Crackpot said...

"I thought Lars was totally off base today with Jason. Lars' logic makes no sense whatsoever."

It makes perfect sense. The guest worker program is amnesty. What part don't you understand?

This has been the Bush II policy from day one. Do nothing, then introduce bullshit legislation that will create the illusion that you're doing something about the problem when folks realize you're really doing nothing. Bush was not elected governor of Texas or President of the United States because he disregarded the hispanic vote. He also represents those who reap the benefits of having illegal alien workers and wants to keep that gravy train running. Short term, they see it as the best policy, as it maintains the status quo and have enough things to worry about without fixing this mess. In the long term, it's very destructive to our nation.

Those on the far left would call this "anti-emigrant" or "racist" thought. That too is bullshit. Diversity is great, but we must enforce our laws and sovereignity. I really don't care about one's nationality or skin color. All are welcome, provided they abide by the rules.

Anonymous said...

"The guest worker program is amenesty." You call that great logic? I call it an unsupported conclusion.

That is like saying "The animal is a dog." Without knowing anything bout the animal. Or, the car is Chevy, without knowing anything about the car.

There is no logic. In fact, it is the antithesis of logic - which is why your position is so frustrating. Because you have not pointed to any evidence that the President's CURRENT (not the program he proposed two years ago) is an amnesty program.

BECAUSE YOU CANNOT!!!

So instead you rely upon innuendo, baseless assumptions, and unsupportable conclusions.

This usually occurs in an argument when one side has lost the intellectual argument. They resort to trying to get the other side to disprove a negative, a feat that is virtually impossible to accomplish.

Take a look at the information on the White House web site about immigration and amnesty. Pretty clear, if you ask me...no amensty. Period. None. Nada. Zip

Now, I know the tin-foil heads are going to say "Yeah, well we know the President really means amnesty, even though he says 'no amnesty'." (This is Lars' "logic")

Ok, if this is your logic, there is nothing I can do to disprove what you believe, because it is what you believe.

But it is by no means a fact.

Daniel said...

Good job, Daniel. By stabbing Jason in the back

I simply said that I can't defend his position.

Next spring, when the carnivales are in full force, and you complain about them, keep in mind that you could have stopped them

Funny, have I ever seen you at one of these events? Cause I'm at all of them. Have you ever gotten DHS workers chastised for helping criminal aliens? Cause I have. Don't question my credentials or my commitment to this issue.

On the one hand, we can't kick the illegals out of the united states because that would disrupt the economy.

We can kick them out and we should. Would it "disrupt" the ecomony? Yes, the billions in remittance money would stay in our country!

"The guest worker program is amenesty." You call that great logic? I call it an unsupported conclusion.

See support in the next post. That discounts your whole comment. Then ask yourself, why does every immigration reform group call this amnesty? Are we all liars?

Anyone else?

thomas said...

Torrid said: "[A] closeted supremacist like Jim Gilchrist (with)strong ties to racist hate groups" will doom Atkinsons campaign because of Oregonians dislike for such (racist/hate) groups. If Atkinson says he supports a "guest worker program" that will amount to amnesty for illegal aliens already in this country, he shoots himself in the foot.
And since when is it "racist" to expect people immigrating to this country to go about it leagaly ? Hateful? Yep, I hate it when people break the law by sneaking into this country. I hate it when the average tax-paying, law abiding citizen has to fund the children of illeagal aliens to the tune of $10,000 per year for public school, and give them free medical care.I hate it when I see so many illegal (and here comes my "racist" remark) Mexicans bringing drugs into the state, raping little girls,etc.

I'm not a Lars Larson worshipper, nor a "black helocopter guy" who's tin foil hat is out of adjustment, I just want a politician to take a stand and not johnkerry his position when the wind changes.

That is all.

Oh, yeah, GO "HAWKS" !

Jeff said...

For all of you that are so pissed off at Atkinson, who do you plan to vote for then?

Jason is the best thing this state and republican party have going right now.

The party needs your support, we can't be divided like the Dem's.

Let's pull it together.

Abe said...

Jason's campaign is over. Time to run someone that has principle. It is not too late to get someone to bring order back to Oregon.

Abe

Robin said...

very well said Sue. if the feds really want a guest worker program, take care of the problems that we have first. Secure our borders.

Looks like Anon got in some writing practice.

I think both Lars and Jason sent out one very clear message. Based on the reaction, people are fed up with the illegal immigration and the government selling out the American people for a fast buck.

while I do not agree 100% with Jason's views on everything, I still believe that he is the best choice for governor.

I also believe that if he is elected and he does a 180 on us...

Anonymous said...

Illegal aliens from Mexico are generally a very bad bunch. The majority of the illegal aliens from Mexico come over here ONLY to sell drugs or to work only long enough to get on welfare and food stamps and other free U.S. citizens benefits that they have no right to and then quit working.

My former-illegal alien ex-husband from Mexico told me long ago that he came over here from Mexico to MAKE MONEY as he can make in 1 day what he would make in 1 week in Mexico. He also told me that the illegal aliens from Mexico that do come over here to work don't come over here because their families are starving and because there is supposedly no work. He said that their families in Mexico are NOT starving and that there IS work in Mexico, but they can make in 1 day what they make in 1 week in Mexico. They leave jobs in Mexico to come over here to steal good-paying jobs from American taxpayers and legal residents. This is probably only 1% to as much as 5%? of illegal aliens from Mexico.

The rest of the illegal alien Mexicans from Mexico, 95%? come over here ONLY to sell drugs or to illegally gain illegal access to our welfare, food stamps, free medical care, SUBSIDIZED HOUSING, SSI and any of the free benefits that they never paid a penny into and which they have absolutely NO right to and which are ONLY for U.S. citizens and LEGAL residents. Also many many illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America are committing crimes: murdering, raping, robbing and viciously attacking U.S. citizens and LEGAL residents and American cops and U.S. Border Patrol agents and they think they cannot ever be deported and shouldn't be ever deported.

Also, the word "immigrant" refers to an alien who immigrated LEGALLY to the U.S. and became or is becoming a legal permanent resident. The word "immigrant" does NOT apply to illegal aliens who illegally invaded this country in violation of OUR laws and without OUR consent and who are illegally TRESPASSING on our soil and stealing our jobs and benefits and hard -earned dollars and who are raping, murdering, robbing and viciously attacking U.S. citizens and legal residents and American cops and these illegal-alien criminals flee to Mexico as the cowards they are and corrupt Mexico protects these murderers and rapists and thieves.

The authors of the 14th Amendment stated in Congress [and it is on the public records of the Congress' debate on the 14th Amendment], that it would not apply to "foreigners, aliens" but would apply to every other class of person. They further made it clear that the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof [of the U.S.] did NOT apply to people who are physically in the U.S. ONLY but are still subject to the jurisdiction of their home country at the same time and STILL owe allegiance to their home country and they made it clear that this phrase also meant that it ONLY applied to a person who did NOT owe allegiance to a foreign government and was physically present in the U.S. at time of birth: for example a LEGAL resident or a U.S. citizen's native-born children. The 14th Amendment has been illegally and unconstitutionally twisted to unconstitutionally and illegally give phony "U.S. citizenship" to children of illegal aliens who have no constitutional, legal or moral right to it or even to be here and therefore have NO rights at all except the right to be deported and be treated humanely. I thought it allowed illegal-alien babies born on U.S. soil to get citizenship but no, it is very clear that the 14th Amendment PROHIBITS giving U.S. citizenship to anchor babies of illegal aliens which are born on U.S. soil but the U.S. Supreme Court needs to rule on this but someone needs to bring a class-action lawsuit to clear up this matter as the Supreme Court has never had an opportunity to rule on this matter.

Illegal aliens have anchor babies on U.S. soil deliberately and intentionally so as to prevent their rightful deportation and also to illegally gain illegal access to our welfare and food stamps etc. They even bring their women over here from Mexico just for the sole purpose of having an anchor baby so they cannot be ever deported.

ALSO--DID YOU NOTICE THAT THERE ARE 11+ MILLION TO AS MUCH AS 40 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS IN THE U.S. AND YET THE GROWERS AND FARMERS CANNOT FIND ILLEGAL ALIENS TO HARVEST THEIR CROPS? And yet they INSIST that they need to bring in even MORE illegal aliens? Explain this if you can...My explanation is simple. The illegal aliens are NOT about to get their dainty little hands dirty if they can get welfare & food stamps and free medical care and subsidized housing and SSI and unemployment and won't have to work. If they HAVE to work they REFUSE to do farmwork and would rather steal Americans jobs at half the wage. When an American citizen goes to get a job then they find out that an illegal alien is ALREADY in the job in place of the American who should have the job and I'm NOT talking about minimum wage jobs. I'm talking about American citizens jobs that pay $12 an hour or more and these jobs rightfully belong to AMERICAN CITIZENS, not illegal aliens.

Also the law is the law. What part of "illegal" don't people understand??? Illegal aliens do NOT have to obey the law but I DO have to obey the law? EXCUSE ME!!!??? The laws INCLUDE laws against ILLEGAL immigration for the protection of the people of THIS country not for the foreigners who illegally invade this country to freeload off the backs of hardworking American citizen and LEGAL resident immigrant taxpayers.

Not to mention the diseases that a tidal wave of illegal aliens are bringing in as they cross our southern border ILLEGALLY and invade our country ILLEGALLY and also there are many illegal aliens who owe child support and REFUSE to pay child support even with a child support order. They just thumb their nose at the child support order and the law does nothing.

Illegal aliens from Mexico are racists of the worst kind. I have heard them making fun of black people and talking about them like they are dogs. I have heard them call black people "monkeys" and "dogs". I have actually seen some actually refusing to learn English and expect to be accomodated here in their language. They are male chauvinists of the worst kind. The mexican word for "male chauvinism" is "machismo" and their word for "male chauvinists" is either "macho" or "machista". The family dog has more rights than the female does. The rules for mexican male chauvinism are:

1. The male can go to a bar and he is still a decent man; a female goes to a bar and she is a whore according to them.
2. A male can cheat on his wife and he is still a decent man; a female cheats on her husband and she is a whore according to them.
3. A male who drinks is considered a man. If he doesn't drink then he is not considered a man. He is ridiculed and made fun of by the other mexican drunks saying that his wife tells him what to do and these drunks are not satisfied until he starts drinking again. If a female drinks then she is not a decent female according to them.
4. It is ok for the male to beat or rape a female; it is NOT ok for a female to beat a male.
5. A male can come and go as he pleases from birth onward, no questions asked. A female is a prisoner. From birth onward she cannot even leave the house or yard to go one block to the store unless she gets the permission of the dominant male in the house: usually her husband or her father.
6. The male can work and do whatever he wants but they don't want the female working and want her to stay home barefoot and pregnant so they can control her and make her do whatever they want and she cannot say anything. They can even bring their whore into the house with her to live and she still cannot say anything. If she says anything then she is beaten.

These are my recommendations:

1. DEPORT all illegal aliens and I DO mean ALL!!! NO questions asked!!!

2. Revoke the unconstitutional, illegally-acquired, phony "U.S. citizenship" of illegal-alien anchor babies and deport illegal-alien anchor babies along with their illegal alien families and never allow these blood-sucking leeches to enter this country ever again for the rest of their lives!!!

3. Stop giving all welfare, food stamps, free medical care, subsidized housing [Section 8, etc.], SSI and any other free U.S. citizens benefits to illegal aliens and require proof of legal residency or U.S. citizenship before receiving ANY benefits and VERIFY the prood with the issuing agency.

4. STOP illegal aliens from stealing jobs from American citizens and legal residents. Force the employers to verify the employment eligibility of all employees and job applicants and force the employer to fire any illegal aliens in his employ. Allow American citizens and legal residents to sue criminal employers of illegal aliens and order fines of at least $500,000 per illegal hired by the employer and at least 5 years in federal prison for each illegal alien hired by the criminal employer.

5. SEAL THE BORDER AIRTIGHT with a fence or wall!!!

6. NO AMNESTY FOR CRIMINALS who cross the border illegally. The last amnesty failed miserably. Amnesty for illegal aliens is a slap in the face to legal aliens who are trying to immigrate LEGALLY and in many cases have to wait many years to immigrate legally like my sister-in-law from the Phillipines. Enforce the laws already on the books and toughen immigration law much much more than it is & DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS and I DO mean ALL of them!!!

7. MAKE ENGLISH THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF THE US. If these people are going to come here, at least make them speak our language. Our language is English, not spanish, the last time I checked. If I went to their country & demanded that they speak English, then they would tell me that if I don't like it then go back to the US. Stop printing government documents in other languages. Print all government documents in English ONLY!!! If they cannot read write or speak English then they should be deported back to their home country or else they should shut up & not complain & whine. Also stop bi-lingual education. Make it English immersion ONLY!!! They don't do bi-lingual education in Mexico & I have been there so you cannot tell me how it is. And by the way, I speak spanish. So there.

8. NO DRIVERS LICENSES FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS. Make people prove legal residency in this country in order to get a license. Also VERIFY ALL DOCUMENTS with the issuing agency. This will prevent illegal aliens from using fake documents. NO accepting matricula consular ID cards. This is only so illegal aliens can live & work illegally in this country. Also send makers of counterfeit documents to Federal prison for 20+ years for each charge of document forgery. This should put a dent in the fake documents industry and make it harder for illegal aliens to get fake documents.

9. MAKE ILLEGAL ENTRY & PRESENCE IN THE U.S A FELONY punishable by 20+ years in Federal prison and enforce it. After making an example of a few illegal aliens there should be quit a drop in number of illegal aliens in this country.

Can't think of anymore. I hope my experience with illegal aliens helps you folks.

Sincerely,

Ex-farmworker and ex-wife of a former-illegal alien from Mexico,

Jean Brown Harrell, formerly Garcia/JeanBrownHarrell@netscape.net

PS: My ex-husband got the 1986 IRCA amnesty so I speak from experience.

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