Ore. city is fertile "eco" ground
Eugene, Ore. - The threads that bind a radical environmental cell whose members have set fires and sabotaged property across the West are woven through this college town, according to federal prosecutors.
Eugene, long a counterculture hot spot, has been viewed as the hub for aggressive environmental and political action since protesters from here convened in Seattle in 1999 to lead rampant violence outside the World Trade Organization conference.
This is an interesting article that doesn't come from an Oregon newspaper. It seems as if the rest of the country may start to consider us part of the Axis of Evil.
17 comments:
I have to wonder how many of the 1000 friends are sweating right about now? You know one of those first six indictees is gonna sing like a canary.
Do you really believe that 1000 Friends has a dirct connection with the eco-terrosits? I doubt it. The 1000 Dips of Portland tend to be bigger money california style. They don't exactly go out and waive signs they let attorneys fight their battles.
They would be likely to offer comfort to the eco-terrorist types. Remember how Tre Arrow was well received by them.
All I know, I don't vote the same way that eco-terrorists do. We're just not in the same demographic and that feels good.
I just got back from Seaside, Or. and our beach place there for my 59 Th. birthday, where all was PERFECT, until I saw Marc Abrams on Foxnews.
I guess as bad a Fox is for people like Abrams, they can't resist a national forum.
Where unlike The "BIXER, and BlueOregon," if you at first try to post a reasonable response to an issue, then get blasted or have your kid in Iraq called names, or for your total commitment to an issue of community placement of dangerous, criminally insane grouphomes next to grade schools, then called names as I'm supposed to be against the mentally ill,. then like Bog, an the rest...get tossed for getting tired of the BS, an saying so....
I guess I'm against these places as their own leaders of the people who run these places agreed an said, "YES JACK, THEY ARE DANGEROUS!"
Hell, I digress, that issue while important (but not to elected officials sworn to protect us), on issues of community saftey,so said commissioner Sam Adam's on Lars show the other day.
The other bigger issue...one that can kill more us us then "just a few" kids in a grade school, is the one of national security.
Marc Abrams is just one of the convinced "Lefty's" here in PDX, that for sake of the rights of all of us........SOMEONE WHO IS PLOTTING TO KILL US, needs their rights protected!
Man.... , way back in that cave, if Muslims drank,Osamma, would be raising a glass of PDX'S finest microbrew to the good Libber lawyer and thanking him for making their next attack a whole bunch easier.
They truly are, just like the people in my backyard, these people like BIX, Abrams, Amanda Fritz, Linn, Leonard, all of them, are insane....the above mentioned are different however, they haven't killed anyone yet (YET!) the others have been judged guilty, but insane by a court for the crimes.
The "DEMAGOGUES" like me BIX is whining about....Hey, if your safety, indeed your family was setup for a possible 6PM newsstory...you would grind all these SOBS DOWN TOO!
Jack Peek
Bummer, Daniel. You've been Peeked. Fortunately, the infection tends to be relatively short-lived.
Dear Jay, Are you saying Marc the libber was correct/ Or are you saying it's OK to put a criminally insane group home in your backyard?
If the criminally insane group home is your desire...call me, I know just who to get you too.
Otherwise, you maybe like Vance Day,an hate the truth,that some of us have had it with Bloggers who just rant as you seem to think it's ok for you and not me.
I got deeply involved in the process....and I REGRET IT.
You walk point on an issue, and you get a real lesson in courage from those like you who deep-sixed a fight.
Infection???? If you think it's ok with Abrams...and the other problems. Guess we really can't trust you to watch our "six" in a fight either.
That's a funny site notta lib.
Jack, I agree with you on a few points. (I also agree with you on your main issue, the placement of the criminally insane in neighborhoods but I would expand it to include drug treatment and sex offender treatment including juvenille offenders)
Jay, Jack has been here before. He makes the rounds. Anyone can rant here, I don't mind.
Jack, I agree with you on a few points. (I also agree with you on your main issue, the placement of the criminally insane in neighborhoods but I would expand it to include drug treatment and sex offender treatment including juvenille offenders)
Daniel: Thank you very much!
The issue is community safety..PERIOD!
When this all happen, I was a salemen for a company that had me all over 12 states...my kids were little, my wife was working, but still home alone.
The grade school in our neighborhood is 400 ft from the place, and they are loose for 90 minutes at a time"unsupervised!"
In my travels on this, I have been back to DC, an had some interest in this started as my wife an I for two days were on the hill talking with electeds about it.
Not a shock....I had more reception from other electeds then our own(got no where with Oregon's) but if the house judicary committee had not stopped to impeach "Bubba",some amendments were possible to correct the problem.
As I said....wish people like you with the courage you have would run. Thanks again.
Oh by the way, the state GOP leadership doesn't care about this issue.
The issue was fought over the sex offender, and drug houses as well when I HAD a committee over this,(one of the reasons I dispise Jack Bogdanski so much) he quit when we needed him the most, but that is another story.
Treat them as harshly as the law allows, but stop this stupid conflation. This activity isn't comparable to international terrorism.
Think of it this way: The worst thing that ever happened to the war on drugs - real, nasty, dangerous ones like crack & meth - is the war on weed.
Add the phantom, dilute the effect, and maybe sabotage it entirely...
I hate Eugene. I won't set foot in that town again. I've seen the weirdos and freaks there. Worse than Berkley by far. I have a neighbor who is originally from Eugene. Dude's in his 60s. Cool guy. Hates his hometown now because of what these freaks have done to it. It was a pleasure meeting this guy. Doesn't drink the kool-aid and calls it like he sees it. I think I would have liked Oregon of a couple of generations ago. This generation of idiots in Eugene and Portland are almost too much to deal with.
Rehi, Jack.
This is why I spoke of "infection":
You ascribe all sorts of things to others that actually have no bearing on the subject.
"Dear Jay, Are you saying Marc the libber was correct/ Or are you saying it's OK to put a criminally insane group home in your backyard?"
"Otherwise, you maybe like Vance Day,an hate the truth,that some of us have had it with Bloggers who just rant as you seem to think it's ok for you and not me."
"You walk point on an issue, and you get a real lesson in courage from those like you who deep-sixed a fight.
Infection???? If you think it's ok with Abrams...and the other problems. Guess we really can't trust you to watch our "six" in a fight either."
Ya see, Jack, this is why I don't like you much, and I mean that in the most personal way.
You ascribe a bunch of stuff to me that was never said, then jump straight off the deep end from there. And what's with the "we" stuff in your last line? You got a mouse in your pocket?
Daniel:
I've seen Peek around before. As noted above, I think he tends to divert people from the real issues by leaping off of cliffs, yelling the whole way down, "So far, so good!"
As the blogger, you have every right to encourage every turn of thought or non-thought that you personally see fit. I got no problem with that.
As a longtime SYsop, I prefer to see things stay more or less on topic, however. But that's just my style.
On ecoterrorism, for example, I find it surprising (not) that the "conservationists" who supported them in the past are not reacting with feigned outrage over the recent arrests.
AHH JAY!
The topic of what?
Like I said, your blog, not many posts there, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY!
Maybe you need some help in getting the point of the one message I keep writing on.
If you are married, and think a bunch of court mandated, convicted, but judged guilty but insane folks next to a grade school with 400 kids is ok, GOD HELP YOUR WIFE AND KIDS!
If your not married, there is a chance we can have one less problem coming into the world, much less this in this(being nice here) screwed up city . JP
PS. BEING "PEEKED" CAN BE A REAL BITCH. DANIEL, SORRY FOR THIS, YOUR GOOD WORK DOESN'T NEED THE JAY POSTS/ SLAM ON MY FREE SPEECH.
Please note: I DIDN'T START IT.
Well, the topic _was_ Iran, North Korea...Oregon? Until you showed up.
You see, that's what I don't like about you. I'm sure you're a nice guy and all, but you tend to run in and toss firebombs around that have nothing to do with the subject matter.
Marc Abrams, Bogdanski, B!X? I don't remember seeing any of them in here under discussion until you came in slinging. The topic was terrorism. Until you showed up.
Tossing your personal "enemy list" into the mix doesn't contribute much. Frankly, I don't give a rip whether or not I've made your little list, and I doubt that you've ever seen my blog. I'm unimpressed by your YELLING, and even less impressed by what you claim to have to say.
For one thing, nobody can hear you over all of the yelling, and for another, those of us who've done sysop work know right where you're coming from.
You're likely an older guy with no life, and seek attention. You likely figure that the best way to get attention is to run from place to place, screaming, while contributing little to actual discussion. As you have already demonstrated, your preferred course of action is to add folks to your little enemy list because they had the audacity to mention that your approach isn't productive.
Your next step is to attempt to belittle them, while appealing for sympathy from others, who should clearly see how beleagured and besiged you are on all fronts, when you're just trying to fight the good fight.
Yes, that's pretty much the typical pattern. Let me stretch a bit: I'm going to take a wild stab, here, and guess that you are also a former USMC sarge. Now retired. You never made higher rank for reasons that you cannot bring yourself to admit.
Just a guess, but I've encountered your behavior before. Yours is very similar to that profile.
Merry Christmas.
Marc Abrams, THAT WAS THE TOPIC
He spoke on Fox AGAINST, THE PRESIDENT(YELLING SO DUMB PEOPLE GET THE POINT) how bad we all are,ease-dropping on people's phone calls that want to KILL US!
So forgive me,if you missed that point in my post.
He, along with others mentioned are the problem.
Randy Leonard...worked to kill the JTTF(relates to Iraq, Iran etc) same for some others.
Look...if you want to be like BlueOregon's Kari...and toss me, talk to Daniel.
If you don't care about security of your loved ones, your neighbors, just ignore the information I post, people have.
So the state will close it's hospital cause their to stupid at taking care of dollars given them, and 300 plus "guilty but insane" people can end up in your backyard.
Somebody said no one cares if it's in your backyard...it's just a NIMBY deal...WELL NO SH--.
I'm guessing, Jack, that you didn't even bother to read the poat and the link to the article that Daniel set up here.
You introduced Marc and other folks you dislike out of the blue - as you often do. Off-topic and out of the loop, out of control and thus, as I noted originally, rather like an opportunistic infection. Such as the common cold. Not fatal, but irksome.
Please note that I have not suggested that you should be tossed; not to Daniel, not to anyone. I believe in freedom of speech - though that freedom does not extend to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
Again, have a merry Christmas.
Dear Jay<
Well the remarks about my "list" are on topic.
It's the one of national security.
Marc Abrams is just one of the convinced "Lefty's" here in PDX, that for sake of the rights of all of us........SOMEONE WHO IS PLOTTING TO KILL US, needs their rights protected!
Man.... , way back in that cave, if Muslims drank,Osamma, would be raising a glass of PDX'S finest microbrew to the good Libber lawyer and thanking him for making their next attack a whole bunch easier.
MARC THE LIBBER, would defend Tookie Williams(the late Tookie) he would defend Trey(my fairy godmother is Vera(I'm ALLERGIC)to Katz.
Randy Leonard pretty much(WITH BlueOregons help) KILLED the JTTF.
If Eugene is fertile "eco", then my insane group home, and all other items mentioned are ON TOPIC.
Your opinion of my ability to post to suit you...well, its debatable.
PS. Why does my age, military experiance, etc. trouble you so much...stick to the topic yourself!
JP
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