Monday, April 10, 2006

Nothing to do with illegal

Thousands rally in Salem for immigration rights
Oregon Latinos voted with their feet in huge numbers Sunday in Salem to protest federal legislation aimed at cracking down on illegal immigration.

They pushed baby strollers, chanted "Si, se puede!" ("Yes, we can!") and waved American and Mexican flags. They carried homemade signs saying "Immigrants made this nation," "Legalize not penalize" and "Oregon works because immigrants work."

What was most striking was the involvement of people who usually try not to bring attention to themselves, with many openly demonstrating their cultural pride. Many admitted that they are not here legally and fear being deported if the House-passed bill, HR 4437, becomes law.

Among them was Alejandro Manzano, a Beaverton construction worker who was pushing his 5-month-old daughter in a stroller with three U.S. flags poking up. Speaking in Spanish, Manzano said he came to the rally because of the bill that was passed by the House and is awaiting action in the Senate. The nine-year Oregon resident said he has been deported twice, but his daughter was born here and is an American citizen.

Mwa ha ha ha ha. Thank you PCUN. The attention that you have garnered may be inspiring at the local criminal alien hangout but the citizens of Oregon are collectively disgusted with your display of unbelievable gall.

And if you PCUN boys want to guage public opinion on this you can take a look at this line from the Gazzette Times coverage of your attention grabber:

Oregon’s Republican gubernatorial candidates in the May 16 primary all favor strict changes in immigration policy. Democratic candidates have had little to say on the matter.

You can't get any local officials to come out on your side. They know it's a losing issue to publicly take the position that rewarding criminals is the right thing to do.

Your attention grabbers only make those Democrat politicians nervous because they want to duck this issue all day long. You guys coming out with your true feelings doesn't help either...
(Blogger photo isn't working, go to link to see the "fight the Minutemen" picture where it is explained that these people "don't recognize" borders)

Side note: The local school kids have heard about the fact that they can skip class under the guise of protesting. If you see roaming bands of teenagers in Salem waving Mexican flags they are just "participating in the public process." It has nothing to do with skipping school...

Orbusmax also has links to great photos at the top of his site.

45 comments:

Anonymous said...

Right on, Daniel. We need to kick these illegals out so that taxpayers have more money to subsidize your appeals process for unfairly being patted down when you got busted for carrying drugs and firearms:

http://www.publications.ojd.state.or.us/S50297.htm

Wow. You appealed it all the way to the Oregon Supreme Court. I thought you didn't believe in that.

Anonymous said...

The next Illegal Alien Rally may well be a quite bit different if it springs from a Saturday night dance or a cultural celebration where drugs and alcohol fuel anger and jealousy to the point some seek to exercise the Power of Numbers they first experienced and enjoyed at the Capitol building.

Allen said...

They claim 22,000 Illegal Aliens were in attendance and barely a Word of English was spoken.

So, if they are all working to assimilate and join with us in the USA, can we assume that most of the 22,000 arrived in Salem within the last week?

Texas said...

People need to stray away from their herd and give this situation some independent thought! Think People! Think! If we don’t come together on this, we all LOSE! This is not a political game or a race issue; this is an American issue. All legal Americans need to defend our land and our constitution. Otherwise, We The People will be known as the people without a nation. Don’t look for your politicians to save you! Going once, going twice, sold to mexico! Or whoever. As I look around my community, it would appear as though we have been out-vicente foxed!

Anonymous said...

ORBUSMAX supports Illegal Aliens!
They said Malkins coverage is the worst ever!

BOYCOTT ORBUSMAX! They support Law breakers!

Denise said...

Anonymous - you are a coward. Spewing while hiding is ridiculous. You have zero credibility.

Bruce said...

I got news for you people...I was there for the begining of "the gathering". All of them coming with there 3 and 4 anchor bastards in tow waving mexican and a few, very few, American flags. I admit it was nice to see some of them carrying American flags,BUT, i doubt they would have,had they not been told by PCUN and other hispanic leaders to please do so! It would look better to us real citizens if they did! I saw a lot of the "red shirt,black lettering" crowd of the International Socialist Workers Party. It was really amazing to see the openenly brazen illegals, right there in person, in front of my eyes, whining and crying about how we won't just openly let them in to push our culture to one side and convert this country to a version of third world Mexico. I heard the pounding drumbeats and saw the flags waving and the party type atmosphere and their open love for their culture and the distain in their eyes for my culture and my country and realized with sadness in my heart,i was witnessing the very begining of the downfall of my way of life and my culture due to the abject apathy and sometimes outright collaboration of my own people and most politicians. I then met up with Rick Hickey and his brother, Jim Elvin and some other from O4IR to pass out leaflets and put them on cars all over downtown where these illegal bastards were going to march and disrupt traffic. As we talked to people we encountered there was a lot of positive feedback,BUT, there was a good amount of apathy and negative feedback amongst average American citizens....that was frightening.....to think these people don't care or worse yet refuse to see the coming problems. It was an exciting day to be there doing my small part in trying to wake people up...but, sad and angry feelings also set in because of the fact we even had to be there at all!!!!! I am just astonished that at this stage of my life, when i'm supposed to be looking foreward to my "golden years", i'm instead fighting for the life of MY COUNTRY and CULTURE...AND YES, anonymous and all you other anti-american assholes that disagree on this site, I AM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY AND MY CULTURE and i am not ashamed to say so. This shit keeps up with all this dissention in this country...one day it might be against the law or deadly to admit you like your country or your culture. Thank God...i probably will be six feet under by that time.

Liberty44 said...

Bruce, I totally agree with you. The apathy in this country is pathetic. I daily send e-mails to relatives all across the country and they all seem to agree with me about the illegal alien problem, but I never hear of any of them doing anything about it. I send faxes, write letters, make calls, etc. I have also written LTE in the Statesman, but none ever get printed. I feel the Statesman is on the side of the illegals as they probably hire some of them to deliver their papers.

Chris McMullen said...

The apathy is directly caused by the rampant communal dogma pushed in our government schools. The NEA has run a very shrewd and calculating program in which they've been able to reproduce people in their likeness.

IMO, government schools are the basis for the majority of todays apathy.

B.M. said...

Bruce what exactly about your culture our american culture are you so proud of? I continue to feel for Daniel, because he claims to have an interest in Christ, but does not show it by his words. Would Christ be trying to kick people out of this country if they were illegal?

Calhoun said...

"Would Christ be trying to kick people out of this country if they were illegal?"

I think He would be telling them "Honesty is the best policy."

Tim Lewis said...

1 Obey the government, for God is the one who put it there. All governments have been placed in power by God. 2 So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow. 3 For the authorities do not frighten people who are doing right, but they frighten those who do wrong. So do what they say, and you will get along well. 4 The authorities are sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for you will be punished. The authorities are established by God for that very purpose, to punish those who do wrong. 5 So you must obey the government for two reasons: to keep from being punished and to keep a clear conscience. -Romans 13:1-5

Anonymous said...

I can't believe that none of you went to the "Immigrant Rights March" today at 3rd & Madison in Portland.

http://www.protest.net/pdxindymedia/calendrome.cgi?span=event&ID=544974

(Or if you were there, I couldn't find you.)

It's a shame - so many illegals within a baseball throw of the federal building - and not an ICE agent in sight.

Anonymous said...

A second day of protest by illegal aliens, and collaborators has confirmed what many of us have known all along, an invasion is clearly taking place. We must expel illegal aliens now. Enforce the law.

Bill O'Reilly is for amnesty, clear as day. He wants to be on both sides of the issue. FOX News Channel is for amnesty, why? Because it is owned by a George Soros type, named Rupurt Murdock. This is where the rubber meets the road. He is an open border elite, and FOX reflects that. Have they been traditional, yes, but for money. O'Reilly gets led around like a little child. He can't take tough questions because it would expose his collaboration.

B.M. said...

Aren't we taught to love our enemies? Or is that something you choose to ignore from out of the bible, let those of you who are without sin (or that haven't broken the law) throw the first stone.

Anonymous said...

At least you recognize the obvious. Illegal aliens have become enemies because they threaten and carry out economic violence.

But sir, I will not roll over so my enemy can take my Country.

Tim Lewis said...

I didn't say I don't love you, and I never called you my enemy. I don't claim to be sinless. I also don't break the laws of the land.

B.M. said...

Anonymous, that's funny how you try to take my words and use them against myself, but you weren't very succesfull at it. You get an A for effort though, and how is that "OUR" country is being taken?

Tim, Iam not talking about you loving me. Don't assume that I am not caucasian, because I don't share the same beliefs as you.
And I am glad to know that you are pefect in obeying the laws of the land. A small,(maybe exagerated example) would be you obeying the speed limit at all times?

Anonymous said...

Jesus is not lawless.
Jesus would obey the law!

Calhoun said...

bm said "Aren't we taught to love our enemies? "

Yes! And we should love our enemies by encouraging them to :

1. Go straight. Turn honest, live an honest life.
2. Stop breaking the law for profit.
3. Don't teach your children that it's good to break the law.
4. Stop lying about what you're doing.

If you encourage people to be dishonest, you're hating them, not loving them.

Tim Lewis said...

How'd you know?!

Anonymous said...

1 Obey the government, for God is the one who put it there. All governments have been placed in power by God......

Tim you are about as much as a wackjob as Ames.

Tim Lewis said...
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Tim Lewis said...

I was just quoting one thing the Bible says on the issue. If you think I'm a whackjob for believing in it, then a whackjob I be (in your eyes). I didn't say it's an exhaustive list of commentary either. The Bible also says to love your enemies (as pointed out earlier).

It's understandable if you don't believe in the same God I do (if at all). I don't expect you to agree.

Anonymous said...

Tim- I understand what you are saying. We can agree to disagree. Thanks for your decent response to my not so decent post.

B.M. said...

I don't know what everyone's belief is, and I don't mind that people try to come to Daniel's rescue. I just try to get out of him (Daniel). how he can seem to say one thing yet act completely opposite to what he says.
I don't understand how someone that has supposedly gone through a lot of trials in his own life can be so uncompassionate towards those that going through their own problems.

Daniel, did you have to pay for any and all crimes that you commited? What gives you the right to say how illegal aliens should be treated?

Anonymous said...

Your all hating. Daniel is leader of kkk, that explains o_O

Khaldun said...

Jesus is not lawless.
Jesus would obey the law!


Um, Jesus was the ultimate example of a "law" breaker...

Bruce said...

bm...you hypocritical asshole. Whatever Danny did wrong earlier in life, he paid for it. He is only asking that other lawbreakers pay for their crimes. OH !!....OH ! I forgot it is ALWAYS OK for "people of color" to do whatever they want BECAUSE we all know the evil, white european male has a foot on the neck of EVERY shitbrown colored person in the world. WE MUST BE POLITICALLY CORRECT AT ALL TIMES. People of color NEVER break the law!! The power authorities just pick them up for the hell of it because they are predjudiced!!!

Khaldun said...

evil, white european male

Applying for the job, bruce?

Anonymous said...

Bruce -- One thing is certain, you're a prejudiced asshole.

Anonymous said...

I went to observe the student protest today at the capitol and when I got there they had a boom box, a crappy PA system, and guys taking turns break dancing? I am not sure what that was about. It didn't make much sense to me. Also they had a huge Mexican flag that was flown much more prominently than the US flag. I work in one of the marble buildings on the Capitol mall , and unfortunately had to endure foreigners speaking and yelling in foreign languages all day.

The Salem Kaizer school district was actually bussing students in to the protest at tax payer expense. One lady I work with on the Capitol Mall had told me her neice was attending the protest today just so she could get out of school for the day. I suspect a majority of the kids were not there for the purpose of the protest, but rather were using the protest as an excuse to skip school. I noticed tons of kids just walking around the mall and going to McDonalds across the street. So I am not sure how many were actually really participating in the rally.

What makes me angry is that the Salem Keizer school district would not only encourage students to skip school as an "educational experience", but to use tax payer funded buses to get the kids to the protest. Do you think the Salem Keizer school district would bus kids to the next Oregonians for Immigration Reform rally? I doubt it. Oregonians for Immigration Reform should approach the school district to see if the school district is able to provide busses for the next OFIR rally. I don't see how legally the school district would be able to allow one and not the other.

B.M. said...

Bruce, how is it that I am a hypocrite, and how do you know that Daniel has paid for all of the crimes that he has committed?
Also I don't appreciate your vulgar language, what does it prove that you know how to use offensive language?

B.M. said...

P.S. I am still waiting to hear from Daniel if he paid for every single crime that he commited.

Bruce said...

SUOMYNONA....why don't you get a pronouncible name, or is dis one of yo people's names? I don't have to apply for the job you PC corresct idiots already foisted it on me. ANONYMOUS....yes i am,proud of it too! I learned my predjudice and tolerance from all you left-wing politically-correct pieces of shit. BM....get over it little man, if your virgin ears are too sensitive for this site, find another site to whine about. OH! I forgot....you leftie PC crybabies ARE the sensitive type. BM...you are a pussy....your initials must describe your smell!!!!

Bruce said...

A big shout-out HELLO to Shelley....your smiling face was a nice edition to the school board meetings tonite!! Thank you for attending.....as well as all the others who took the time to stand up for their country!!!

Khaldun said...

SUOMYNONA....why don't you get a pronouncible name, or is dis one of yo people's names?

Hmm, which is greater, your racism or slow whit?

Bruce said...

MY RACISM......BITCH !!!!

Gunslinger said...

I had to drive through downtown to get home from my weekend of defending the nation. All I saw was a mess of traffic. One question that rattled through my mind was... What purpose does it serve to try to rally and have the government hear you on a Sunday afternoon? The state offices were all closed.

Khaldun said...

MY RACISM......BITCH !!!!

The question was rhetorical, bruce, and the answer already quite obvious...

And just to give you some much needed assistance, why don't we spell my name out backwards, real slow now, together, take your time..

a - n - o - n - y - m - o - u - s

Wow! Crazy - did you ever think you would figure that one out..?

Scottiebill said...

I emailed Lars and Victoria about this yesterday: A couple of days ago, French President Chirac and his cohort, Villepin, bowed to the rantings of the rioters in France and gave up their proposed employment bill that said that an employer in France could fire anyone not doing their job during the first two years of his employment. Those two knuckled under to mob rule. If our lawmakers in D.C. knuckle under to the rioters we had across the country last Monday, they will, likewise, be knuckling under to mob rule.

If Congress comes up with another immigration bill that this gang does not like, then the riots in the streets will begin again. It will likely be like Paris in the 1790s without the guillotine. Or maybe they will have one. This country does not need more immigration laws any more that we need more gun control laws. ENFORCE THE LAWS WE ALREADY HAVE!

Surely razonador, anonymous the pontificator, roger doger, and their partners in idiocy would not want to live under mob rule. Or maybe they would.

It will be impossible to gather up the 11,000,000 or so illegals already here, but the government could damn well stop the new illegals at the border, if they really wanted to. Obviously they do not.

One solution would be to find out which businesses in the area are employing illegals and refuse to patronize those businesses. It will take some time, but eventually they will get the message. I'm going to start asking about that in places my wife and I frequent. Fast food places are a good place to start.

Bruce said...

SUOMYNONA.....VERY GOOD!!! You're right ...i probably would never have figured that out. Very Clever...you got me,LOL,LOL. This is not sarcasm, that really was a good one. I appreciate a good joke, even if it's on me.

fish_on said...

Illegals' Amnesty Could Cost $60 Billion a Year, Group Says
By Randy Hall
CNSNews.com Staff Writer/Editor
April 11, 2006
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200604/NAT20060411c.html


(CNSNews.com) - If an illegal immigrant amnesty or guest worker program similar to the ones being contemplated by the U.S. Senate and supported by President Bush were enacted, the cost to state and local governments would be staggering, an immigration reform group charged Tuesday.

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) estimates that state and local costs associated with illegal immigration for public education, health care and incarceration, now about $36 billion a year, would balloon to $61.5 billion by 2010 -- a 70 percent increase -- and increase to $106.3 billion by 2020.

As a result of an amnesty and a vastly expanded guest worker program, millions of current illegal aliens would gain legal access to government programs and services, a FAIR analysis states.

Moreover, newly legalized aliens would be allowed to bring their dependents to this country, adding to the burdens on schools and public health care. Similarly, state and local governments would have to provide for the education and health care of the dependents of the 400,000 new guest workers called for in the Senate proposal.

"From every possible angle, an illegal alien amnesty and guest worker program would be a fiscal and administrative nightmare," said Dan Stein, president of FAIR. "Never mind the fact that an illegal alien amnesty is a moral betrayal of the American public and immigrants who played by the rules.

"It would be an unfunded federal mandate that will bankrupt states, counties and cities all across the United States," Stein added.

Contrary to claims by proponents of amnesty, the tax contributions of newly legalized illegal aliens would not offset the additional costs, he stated. The estimated 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S. are overwhelmingly poorly educated and low skilled.

Even with legalization, their earning potential would be very limited, Stein noted. With the ability to legitimately claim dependents on their returns, their tax contributions would be negligible at best, and with programs like the Earned Income Tax Credit, many will actually get more back than they pay in.

None of the federal or local costs associated with an illegal alien amnesty or a massive guest worker program has even been considered as part of the Senate's deliberations, he said.

When asked point blank about the ramifications of their proposed legislation, Senate amnesty and guest worker supporters admitted that they have not been worked out. "The devil is in the details," said the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, Patrick Leahy of Vermont.

"'The devil is in the details' is an utterly reckless and irresponsible way to conduct public policy," responded Stein. "The fiscal, social, environmental and demographic consequences of what the Senate is proposing would be staggering.

"In an effort to respond to special interest pressure, the Senate and the Bush administration seem prepared to rush forward without any rational assessment of what it would mean for the future of the nation," he noted.

"We have seen where the 'devil is in the details' approach has gotten us in Iraq. The president and others pushing amnesty and guest workers have an obligation to think this one all the way through before acting," Stein concluded.

A breakdown of the calculation of amnesty costs and a state by state impact analysis can be found at FAIR's website.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_localcosts

tired of reading this story yet?

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