Tuesday, June 06, 2006

We want equality... now give us some exclusivity

Taking back the bar
As formerly regular patrons trickled into the bar on Villard Street wearing purple shirts, they barely recognized the mahogany decorated walls of the new sports bar that used to be a gay-friendly bar, Neighbors.

Members of the University chapter of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer Alliance organized a take back Neighbors night as part of Gay Pride Week.

"Neighbors was a great place to bring together queer guys and queer girls," said Angela Messerli, University student and co-director of the LGBTQA. "We really want our own space. We want a place to hang out and be ourselves, and now it's gone."

OK, first thing, they keep adding letters to their acronym. LGBTQA... this is so they can include every type of possible sexual degenerate. Don't want to make anyone feel left out.

Second, you really want your "own space?" What about the Boy Scouts? I thought that they weren't allowed to ask for their "own space?"

Third, why does it have to be a "take back" event? Can't you just go there and have a good time? Does everything have to be a conflict to you? Does everything have to be about your sexual orientation? Sheesh.

36 comments:

Anonymous said...

For what purpose would queer guys and gals be brought together for?

Krisopher said...

Apparently the wishes of the bar's owner count for nothing here ....

Khaldun said...

"OK, first thing, they keep adding letters to their acronym. LGBTQA... this is so they can include every type of possible sexual degenerate. Don't want to make anyone feel left out."

Why do you care? Are you a member? Do you contribute to the organization? What's your stake in their business?

Second, you really want your "own space?" What about the Boy Scouts? I thought that they weren't allowed to ask for their "own space?"

Are the boy scouts a private business?

"Third, why does it have to be a "take back" event? Can't you just go there and have a good time? Does everything have to be a conflict to you? Does everything have to be about your sexual orientation? Sheesh."

Yeah, I don't get why there are any clubs that cater to different interests. I get sick of those red-neck bars that only play country music and line dance. Why can't those red-necks just go to Dante's with all the goth kids and just have a good time? Why do they have to have their own special clubs?

And I completely agree about the "take back" mentality. Why do all those fundamentalists feel the need to "take back" their community if a Hooters moves in? Why can't they just go there and have a good time? And all those conservatives, wanting to ban gay marriage or enjoy hating homosexuals - why does everything have to be about your sexual orientation?

Sheesh indeed.

Big Mike Lewis said...

They will have to be tolerant one day and add another "B" in their name along with a "P" and an "I" for:

Beastiality
Pedolphiles
Incest

When is enough enough?

gullyborg said...

What they aren't telling you is that the old bar went OUT OF BUSINESS and was bought, remodeled, and reopened as a sports bar.

Where was their loyalty when Neighbors was hemorraging cash every night?

gullyborg said...

and yes, the Boy Scouts are a private business.

Anonymous said...

suomynona,

I don’t think anyone really “hates” homosexuals as you claim. Could it be you just hate anyone that disagrees with you?

Homosexuality should be treated like any other mental illness with an emphasis on helping the individual.

Anonymous said...

daniel looks like a homo to me

Khaldun said...

They will have to be tolerant one day and add another "B" in their name along with a "P" and an "I" for:
Beastiality
Pedolphiles
Incest

Thanks for reminding us the only reason people are homosexual is because of the sex.

What they aren't telling you is that the old bar went OUT OF BUSINESS and was bought, remodeled, and reopened as a sports bar. Where was their loyalty when Neighbors was hemorraging cash every night?

Actually, the building Neighbors occupied was sold to a new owner who decided to make the change. What you aren't telling us is that you don't understand how a lease agreement works.

" and yes, the Boy Scouts are a private business."

Eh? They are a private organization. I just don't see the relationship Daniel makes between a business and private community group. Is it some sort of rationale that one could discriminate on sexual orientation as a "private business" because the Boy Scouts were allowed to? Sorry, just seems apples and oranges to me.

I don’t think anyone really “hates” homosexuals as you claim. Could it be you just hate anyone that disagrees with you?

Sorry, "hate the sin, not the sinner," right? If you refuse to believe that any one "hates" homosexuals, that's unfortunate. And I love when people disagree with me. It breeds good conversation. So please, continue.

Homosexuality should be treated like any other mental illness with an emphasis on helping the individual.

How the do you purpose to "help" the "mentally ill" homosexual person?

Big Mike Lewis said...

Beastiality
Pedolphiles
Incest

Who said sex. There are people that are actually saying they "love" a cow. There are people (mary kay laterno) who say they "love" 13 year olds. There are people who say they "love" their 7 year old neice.

Thanks for judging me.

Big Mike Lewis said...

Besides:

Mirriam-Webster's Dictionary
Main Entry: 1ho·mo·sex·u·al
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'sek-sh(&-)w&l, -'sek-sh&l
Function: adjective
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

What else would you say it is?

Anonymous said...

Just out of curiousity, what do you mean by,
"Doing the blogs that Mexicans won't do"?

Khaldun said...

Who said sex. There are people that are actually saying they "love" a cow. There are people (mary kay laterno) who say they "love" 13 year olds. There are people who say they "love" their 7 year old neice.

Your examples are not relative because they do not provide any similarity to a relationship between two consenting adults. I'll entertain them though..

If you are not making it simply about the sexual act, then if two same-sex people "loved" one another without ever engaging in sex, you would be ok with it?

Thanks for judging me.

Time to grow a thick skin, friend. I am only responding to what you said.

Besides:

Mirriam-Webster's Dictionary
Main Entry: 1ho·mo·sex·u·al
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'sek-sh(&-)w&l, -'sek-sh&l
Function: adjective
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

What else would you say it is?

I would say it's the business of two consenting adults, who are old enough to make their own decisions and choices.

You however, are throwing judgment and condemnation at a group of people only for the activities they engage in while in the bedroom. You are associating them with bestiality, pedophiles, and rapists, simply because you don't like how they choose to have sex. It's up to you to decide if you feel that's justified within the realms of your religious beliefs and practices.

If anything, I would hope you try to live your life (however you see fit) beyond a dictionary definition.

Big Mike Lewis said...

Again...

Thanks for making assumptions about me and judging me. It has nothing to do with thick skin. I can take it. Sounds like you can't.

Khaldun said...

" Again...
Thanks for making assumptions about me and judging me. It has nothing to do with thick skin. I can take it. Sounds like you can't."


To avoid any more "assumptions" or "judgment," could you kindly clarify what you meant by:

" They will have to be tolerant one day and add another "B" in their name along with a "P" and an "I" for:
Beastiality
Pedolphiles
Incest"


Until then, I am only able to respond with how I understand what you have said. It appears, by reading only what you have said, that for you, homosexuality is wrong because you find the sexual act repugnant. Might your association of "sins" imply that you believe people are only homosexual because of, or for, the sex?

I have no problem with your opinion on the matter or how you choose to feel about homosexuality, associate it with, or reasons for finding it wrong. I don't find it fair that you would associate homosexual individuals with that of pedophiles or rapists, but that's up to you. So I'm not sure what it is you think I can't take?

If you like, I could just toss out the old "judge lest ye be judged" and we can be done...

MAX Redline said...

"You however, are throwing judgment and condemnation at a group of people only for the activities they engage in while in the bedroom."

Excuse me for butting in, but this is asinine, backwards anonymous.

You've identified the exact problem: these folks don't confine it to the bedroom; they insist on shouting about it from the rooftops. Have you missed the "gay pride" marches each year? Have you ever noticed that there aren't any "hetero pride" marches?

These folks build their entire identity around sex; moreover, they continually throw it in everyone's face, roundly condemning anyone who has the audacity to disagree with their view that such behavior is normal and proper.

If only they would confine it to their bedrooms!

Big Mike Lewis said...

I cannot go through years of debate on this subject, what I think the basis for their relationships are, why they choose to do it, why they are supposedly born with it, why it in fact does relate to pedophilia and rape, and on and on. It would simply take forever and I doubt I would change anyone's mind.

I am not here to judge or condemn a person. I feel their pain. I feel their wanting to have more rights. I also know all the ills of society and how there are many things that denegrate us and how our kids are growing up seeing more and more that only contribute to their future (including many heterosexual problems).

That having been said, I agree with Max Redline here. When one group's rights infringe upon another's rights, there is a constitutional imbalance that occurs. When a homosexual's rights infringe upon heterosexual's rights, that same imbalance shows up. Our nation has chosen the past few decades to allow the minority to win every time and it has gotten out of control.

Today when I want my rights heard, all I get is that I am bigoted and racist and "homophobic" (whatever that word means).

I love all people. Jesus taught me to love all people. He also taught me right and wrong. Although Ghandhi was the one who said "Love the sinner hate the sin." Jesus implied it.

I don't know what else I can say to you suomynona. You seem to have made your mind up about me even though you have clearly gotten some things wrong with what you have stated so far.

Remember: When you ASSUME you make and ASS out of U and ME.

I invented the mullet said...

You know, the strangest thing has been happening to my computer. When I read Daniel's blog and go to the comments, when ever the name "suomynona" comes up, my computer has this tendancy to scroll past that whole section!
Now, I don't know what the problem is, but I'm sure I have been missing some very salient points because of this.

Of course I could be wrong, too.

Anonymous said...

All I hear from suomynona is "nuh uh!"

"Time to grow thick skin"?

Time to grow an argument.

Anonymous said...

GAY people are sick degenerates.
I don't HATE them. My brother DIED from AIDS. I LOVED HIM. BUT He took it up the ASS & DIED! NOT from cancer or a car wreck. I miss him and if he wasn't GAY, (yes only defined by sexual preference, not a race of humans) He would be ALIVE! you play with the Bull sometimes you get the horn. Reality sucks doen't it?

you GAY supporters have not lived my life, you are stupid and should shut up as I get furious over your ignorant crap.
GAY people need HELP not your support.
ANAL SEX is VIOLENT & DAMAGING to your body, even with lubricant, even without getting AIDS.
YES my Uncle is a Proctologist, I know the facts, not just liberal media ideology.

Anonymous said...

Time to grow thick skin

That's something someone says when attacking someone and try reason it away.

Beyond a dictionary definition? That's exactly why you are attacking him, for living with a moral code. It's a good thing big mike has been showing you plenty of grace and you haven't been returning it. It just proves his points even more.

Daniel said...

"I would say it's the business of two consenting adults, who are old enough to make their own decisions and choices."

Why would you limit it to two? Isn't that discriminatory? And how about a mother/son or father/daughter relationship when they are adults? Does that fit into your definition?

As for "doing the blogs that Mexicans won't do" (off topic but ok) it is a play on the "doing the jobs that Americans won't do" comment that our president and other illegal alien apologists say.

BEAR said...

The bottom is that the non-normals can't or won't start their own bar, and reap the entrepeneurial rewards. They have to force someone else to bow to their wishes. Except for the fact that muslims would kill them on sight, the queers (their word, not mine) are acting just like the imams.

Anonymous said...

Is it some sort of rationale that one could discriminate on sexual orientation as a "private business" because the Boy Scouts were allowed to? Sorry, just seems apples and oranges to me.

The Villard Street Pub (formerly Neighbor's) simply stopped catering to gay groups. Are you trying to say that doing so is "discriminat[ing] on sexual orientation?

Seems to me that the only bigotry and discrimination is coming from the LGBTQA who are upset at a business owner trying to broaden his bar's appeal.

Khaldun said...

big mike: I don't know what else I can say to you suomynona. You seem to have made your mind up about me even though you have clearly gotten some things wrong with what you have stated so far.

I've not made my mind up at all about you big mike. I fail to understand why you didn't explain your sentiments when clearly you seem to be much more compassionate than your first post implies. Instead, when I took your words at face value, you acted like a wounded child, as if I was attacking you. Have I honestly made any personal attack here, other than to disagree with your views, as you stated them?

max: These folks build their entire identity around sex; moreover, they continually throw it in everyone's face, roundly condemning anyone who has the audacity to disagree with their view that such behavior is normal and proper.

I wish everyone who was passionate about themselves or what they believed in had the ability to live their lives without forcing it on everyone else.

anon 4:58: That's something someone says when attacking someone and try reason it away.

He took my reading of his comments at face value as an insult. If that to him is a personal attack, then so be it.

anon 4:58: Beyond a dictionary definition? That's exactly why you are attacking him, for living with a moral code. It's a good thing big mike has been showing you plenty of grace and you haven't been returning it. It just proves his points even more.

Again, no personal attacks here. Personal attacks would be like idiot anon 12:45.

Daniel: Why would you limit it to two? Isn't that discriminatory? And how about a mother/son or father/daughter relationship when they are adults? Does that fit into your definition?

I suppose for all intense purposes, one thinks in general of an exclusive relationship being between two people. If that number is three, four, whatever. My emphasis is on consent. big mike drew a parallel to activities that did not contain something that would resemble such an exclusive relationship.

As for mother/son, father/daughter, I should narrow my definition to what is considered "legal." If ever homosexuality is outlawed, then I'd have to refine my argument.

bear: The bottom is that the non-normals can't or won't start their own bar, and reap the entrepeneurial rewards. They have to force someone else to bow to their wishes. Except for the fact that muslims would kill them on sight, the queers (their word, not mine) are acting just like the imams.

You're right bear. If the homosexual community wants another place to gather, they should be working to create that establishment on their own, instead of trying to "reclaim" or "take back" a business or even a community. But, where's the need to throw jabs at their sexuality, just to say so?

All I hear from suomynona is "nuh uh!"

No way, I never said "nuh un." ;)

Khaldun said...

The Villard Street Pub (formerly Neighbor's) simply stopped catering to gay groups. Are you trying to say that doing so is "discriminat[ing] on sexual orientation?

Nope, not at all. If they refused to serve someone only because they were gay; yeah.

The Boy Scouts are a private organization, with what I assume (there's that word) must adhere to entirely different rules, and are allowed by law to discriminate based on sexual orientation.

Again, just seems rather apples and oranges to me.

Daniel said...

I'll give you points for arguing well suomynona. You and I will just have to agree to disgree on the subject of homosexuality and gay rights.

MAX Redline said...

Back anon -

"I wish everyone who was passionate about themselves or what they believed in had the ability to live their lives without forcing it on everyone else."

Well, there's the problem with what has become known in some circles as the "gay agenda".

I just get weary of those who insist on getting in my face.

Confine it to the home, just like the rest of us do.

That said, Bush, like his predecessor, is paying lip service to the concept of marriage as being between one man and one woman.

It's a stupid thing, all the political posturing. People know what marriage is, and have known for thousands of years.

We don't need a political definition of the term.

It is intuitive that two guys, or to girls, or a guy and his dog, or whatever - are not married.

At the same time, a guy and a girl who live together are not married just because they believe they love each other.

Marriage is recognized because it is a formal joining not only of two people, but their families, and the purpose of marriage is to formalize a union not only between two people (or a guy and a dog) - but the union of two families, which will ideally produce offspring that carry the mingled genetics of both.

Living together and professing love for one another does not constitute marriage.

It's not hateful conduct to state the obvious, though some wish to make it so.

Khaldun said...

I'll give you points for arguing well suomynona. You and I will just have to agree to disgree on the subject of homosexuality and gay rights.

Thanks. I'm sure we'll eventually find more to agree upon than not.

Khaldun said...

me: "I wish everyone who was passionate about themselves or what they believed in had the ability to live their lives without forcing it on everyone else."

"max: Well, there's the problem with what has become known in some circles as the "gay agenda".
I just get weary of those who insist on getting in my face.


Pick any group of people and you have an "agenda." Gay agenda. Christian agenda. Adult Entertainment agenda. Conservative agenda. Liberal agenda. Environmentalist agenda. NRA agenda. Gun control agenda. Pro-Life agenda. Pro-Choice agenda. And on and on and on...

Your feelings or opinions to the validity of any agenda's mission, should not advocate for the persecution of individuals or the denial of liberties to members of any agenda.

And that, is my opinion.

BEAR said...

As long as backwards and his lefty moron friends can find enough doritos to take with their dope, we'll have to put up with their sophistry and specious nonsense. It helps to motivate our Homeschool group to achieve high marks and succeed in life. They certainly don't want to end up as confused and self-destructive as the lefties.

Khaldun said...

As long as backwards and his lefty moron friends can find enough doritos to take with their dope, we'll have to put up with their sophistry and specious nonsense. It helps to motivate our Homeschool group to achieve high marks and succeed in life. They certainly don't want to end up as confused and self-destructive as the lefties.

Gawd, look who's talking about dulling out specious nonsense. If you want to persecute someone just because you don't like how they are living their life, go for it. It's no surprise that you would call me a moron because I don't.

Enjoy living life on the conservative immigrant compound while the rest of us reside in society.

MAX Redline said...

"max: Well, there's the problem with what has become known in some circles as the "gay agenda".
I just get weary of those who insist on getting in my face.

Pick any group of people and you have an "agenda." Gay agenda. Christian agenda. Adult Entertainment agenda. Conservative agenda. Liberal agenda. Environmentalist agenda. NRA agenda. Gun control agenda. Pro-Life agenda. Pro-Choice agenda. And on and on and on...

Your feelings or opinions to the validity of any agenda's mission, should not advocate for the persecution of individuals or the denial of liberties to members of any agenda."

Well, we can find some degree of common ground here, back anon. I don't advocate for the persecution of anyone.

Among the things I do advocate:

Keep your sex life private.
Abide by the laws of the land (and yes, that includes illegal "immigrants").
Don't ask for, nor expect to receive, special rights based upon your race, your sexual preference, or any other issue.

There's no such thing as a "hate crime". Assault is assault, and murder is murder.

All people should be treated equally under the law.

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