Sunday, June 19, 2005

We demand fraudulent elections!

Hispanic group objects to voter bill
Oregon's largest Hispanic group, labor activists and state election officials are opposing a Republican-backed plan to require people registering to vote for the first time to show proof of citizenship...
Stop right there. Read that again. A bill that simply requires people to show that they can lawfully participate in our elections is being opposed by "Oregon's largest Hispanic group, the Unions, and PERS receiving elections officials.

Ramirez and other opponents hope to kill the measure in the Democrat-controlled Senate. They argue that there's little or no evidence that such fraud is occurring and that the bill would create needless barriers to voting.
Demonstrating eligibility is definitely a "needless barrier." I demand that we start using that standard for everthing. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to comandeer a submarine.

Under the bill passed by the Oregon House, first-time registrants would be required to produce evidence of citizenship, such as a birth certificate, naturalization papers or a passport.

The latest estimate is that as many as 150,000 illegal immigrants are living in Oregon, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, although Ludwick thinks the number is higher.
And yet some strawberries remain unpicked...

The GOP's voter registration bill is being opposed by the Oregon AFL-CIO on grounds that it would discourage voting by putting unnecessary burdens on citizens who might have problems locating birth records or other documents.
This is another example that shows us that Democrat voters are stupid people. The AFL-CIO isn't worried about Republicans not being able to register, just Democrats who are to stupid to know where their documents are. I don't want people like that voting anyways.

"I don't see a problem out there" with undocumented aliens attempting to register, the Portland Democrat said. "We're clean and fraud-free in our elections, and this seems like it's a solution in search of a problem."
Thank goodness Kate Brown says that we are "fraud-free." No she has no data to back up that assertion but who cares. She said it so it must be true!

I am always amazed at the voter groups that Democrats seem so worried about. The homeless (who by definition do not have a "county of residence" to register in) the felons, and the illegal aliens are demographics that just the liberal political party seems to want voting.

The Statement Journal even editorialized in favor of this bill:
Voters should have proof of citizenship
This bill would require proof of citizenship to register to vote for the first time.

That seems rather noncontroversial, but no Democrat voted for the bill. What possible reason could there be for not wanting proof of citizenship to vote?

22 comments:

Sailor Republica said...

It shows you that people have something to hide. Expose them, and get this bill passed.

The Rambling Taoist said...

Do you know where YOUR birth certificate is?

Anonymous said...


Trey Smith said...

Do you know where YOUR birth certificate is?


Yes, I do know where it is. I have had to keep it with me when I needed to PROVE that I was who I said I was. I know you are going to ask when, well here you go, when I went to go and get a copy of my SSN, when I went and got my first drivers license (in CA not OR), and oh yeah, when I went and did this thing called service in the US Navy. So yes, I think people should have to prove that they are eligible to vote in OUR elections.

Rick
Aloha, Oregon

Anonymous said...

Dear Rick,

The more we appease these groups, the more they take, it's like bleeding to death, but hey, isn't that their goal in the end?

jwalker said...

People from other countries who are legal would have extra incentive to keep track of their documentation. I would be expected to do the same thing if I moved to another country.

I agree with the thought that they should WANT this bill to prove that our assertion that there are too many illegals is wrong.Lack of compliance just fuels the fire of mistrust.

Anonymous said...

Hell, I had to give my birth certificate a couple years ago when I applied for my first passport, y'all should be happy they're proposing the same for voting. Tis mainly the same thing.

Josef said...

Nice catch.

But that newspaper editorial - did that guy endorse Bush or Kerry, and why?

Means more if they were rabid liberals...

Robin said...

The latest estimate is that as many as 150,000 illegal immigrants are living in Oregon, according to the Pew Hispanic Center

that's population of Eugene,and they do not think that there is a problem why?

Peter DeFazio was talking to Lars one day on the show, and told Lars that there was no way that a noncitizen could register to vote. Lars countered with the DMV "motor voter act" was allowing people who are noncitizens to register to vote.

I know we are blaming everything on illegals, however think about this scenario for a minute.

You go to motor vehicles, did whatever you went there to do, as you're getting ready to leave the counter they ask you if you'd like to register to vote. You're thinking, "hey why not?, I am breaking the law by being here illegally, I'm getting a driver's license illegally, and chances are I'm not going to get in trouble for it, and now they're going to give me the opportunity to vote.

Isn't this a great country."

Robert W Davison said...

The antidote to this cheapening of citizenship/immigation/naturaliztion process is for a grassroots movement of recently naturilized citizens (those who did it according to the rules) to stand up and say "STOP the double standard - we earned our privilege to vote - don't give it away free!"

The Rambling Taoist said...

I would bet you that the average EVERYDAY American citizen has no idea where their birth certificate is. (I've never seen mine. That said, I carry a "Birth Certificate" card in my wallet issued by the State of Missouri. I once contacted Missouri officials to try to get a copy of my original certificate and no one seemed to know where it was.)

Anonymous said...

Its easy to get a copy of your birth certificate. Just go down to any department of records or Bureau of Vital Statistics (There is at least one in every county), and request the copy. Heck, here in Washington (more screwed up than Oregeon in many ways), it takes all of 20 minutes and 15 dollars to pay for it.

jwalker said...

I have just one more wrinkle.

I just ordered a valid birth certificate, over the internet, with absolutely no proof or reason for ordering. I think it would be very very very easy to get a birth certificate. I can see all kinds of problems with this.

Anonymous said...

Being a 'average American citizen' I had no problem getting my birth certificate either Trey. Why are you opposed to having to prove who you are before you're allowed to vote?

Sailor Republica said...

My birth certificate is sitting in my safe deposit box, in case I ever need it. I now use my passport for ID things.

If I need a birth certificate to vote, I can just go to the bank.

There is nothing to hide, I say let's expose these interlopers.

The Rambling Taoist said...

Why are you opposed to having to prove who you are before you're allowed to vote?

If someone can document that voter fraud from this SPECIFIC cause is indeed a problem in this state, then I would probably withdraw my objection. Unfortunately, there is no indication this is a pervasive problem. So why the rush to craft a solution to a non-existent issue?

Anonymous said...

Non-existent issue?
Prerequisite to vote in Oregon - being a US citizen. Illegal aliens don't meet this requirement.

Look at the fiasco that took place in the state of Washington in the last gubernatorial election. Convicted felons being allowed to vote?

jwalker said...

I'm sorry I didn't put this on my first post....

I ordered a birth certificate for MY FATHER!!! It wasn't even for me, and they approved the purchase. I don't see why this law will be such a big deal....anyone can get a birth certificate.

The Rambling Taoist said...

Look at the fiasco that took place in the state of Washington in the last gubernatorial election. Convicted felons being allowed to vote?

Now here's an intelligent argument! I ask for documentation of a specific problem in OREGON re illegal aliens voting and this is the response.

BTW, convicted felons have birth certificates.

Anonymous said...

Convicted felons who have served their time SHOULD be allowed to vote. They have paid their debt and deserve not to be treated like second class citizens.

The Rambling Taoist said...

Convicted felons who have served their time SHOULD be allowed to vote. They have paid their debt and deserve not to be treated like second class citizens.

No argument from me on that point. However, in Washington according to their laws, felons can't vote and having a birth certificate requirement wouldn't change that.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Convicted felons who have served their time SHOULD be allowed to vote. They have paid their debt and deserve not to be treated like second class citizens.


The tolerance of the left is going too kill us all.

Anonymous said...

ALIENS **
REQUIRED TO REGISTER Selective service?
Lawful non-immigrants on visas (e.g., diplomatic and consular personnel and families, foreign students, tourists with unexpired visas (Forms I-94, I-95A), or those with Border Crossing Documents (Forms I-185, I-186, I-444). No

Permanent resident aliens. Yes

Special (seasonal) agricultural workers (Form I-688). Yes

Special agricultural workers (Form I-688A). No

Refugee, parolee, and asylee aliens. Yes

Undocumented (illegal) aliens. Yes


http://www.sss.gov/must.htm