Seaside boy ‘dive-bombed’ by mountain lion
SEASIDE — Drew Weil’s comment to his father was succinct and sensational.
“I just got attacked by a mountain lion!” the nine-year-old told his father, Joe Weil.
Drew had been walking around the next-door neighbor’s house at 1565 N. Wahanna Road when he came face to face with a mountain lion at about 4:30 p.m. Thursday.
The big cat leapt toward him, slobbering on his shorts and grazing his left leg with two teeth before it ran off.
Mountain lions – also called cougars, panthers, pumas or catamounts – roam through much of Oregon, but are rarely seen on the North Coast, said Herman Biederbeck, the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife biologist for the North Coast.
At this point, animal control officials have no plans to do anything about the mountain lion on Wahanna.
“A cougar is a game mammal, and it’s protected except during the authorized hunting season,” Biederbeck said. Mountain lions can be killed when they threaten humans or damage crops or livestock, Biederbeck said.
The Weils, who do not believe in guns, are re-evaluating those beliefs.
How can you "not believe" in guns? They do exist you know. Closing your eyes doesn't make them go away. But hey, looks like we have some new second amendment supporters here.
Several children had been hearing growls in the days leading up to the incident, Lena Weil said. Drew, who heard the mountain lion growl as it ran away, said it was “sortof like a puppy’s voice, but really dark and louder.”
So now we have a neighborhood that won't let kids play outside this summer because the animal is "protected" except during hunting season. Apparently no one told the cougar that children can only be hunted during the school year and you needed a human child tag from ODFW to legally take one.
I love how government official's solution to this is "don't act like a deer" and say that the animal was "probably running away." I say it's time for this neighborhood to get the dogs and the guns, form a posse and protect their children.
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Unlike you, I view this as a complicated issue. For one thing, I want people to be safe in and around their homes. None of us wants to come face-to-face with a hungry puma.
That said, one of the reasons people are having more and more confrontations with mountain lions is that WE keep invading THEIR habitat.
I bet you this house is NOT in downtown Seaside. It's probably on the edge of town or not really in town at all, but a rural area with a Seaside address.
If we allow people to continue to encroach on remaining wildlife habitat, it's a given that people will encounter wildlife.
Unless one believes that we should merely kill ALL cougars, it won't be an easy situation to solve.
Wow, this family doesn't like guns.
There is a current poster on B!X'S site that doesn't think we should hit first against terror groups, and say's that we would have the "higher moral ground" if we waited and let them hit us first.
Maybe,dropping this cat would be ok with them if the cat ate the kid first. This thinking again is insanity, sorta like Savage'd book title.
Trey, I hope that you apply that same standard to mosquitoes...
No one is proposing we eradicate the cougars but when you "encounter" one where you live you should be allowed to hunt it. We live on a small percentage of the land in Oregon, plenty of room for all of God's creatures. (plenty of room on my bar-b-que for God's tasty creatures as well)
As for waiting for terrorists to "hit first," they have hit us many times and G.W. finally did something about it. Unbelievable what these people are thinking.
No one is proposing we eradicate the cougars but when you "encounter" one where you live you should be allowed to hunt it.
Daniel, cougars need a range of about 100 square miles (I think that's right). Because people keep building homes farther and farther away from cities and towns, it's getting harder and harder for cougars to have a range that doesn't include a proximity to people.
Like I wrote initially, this is a complex issue. Sure, we can hunt all the cougars near human population centers until one day we discover there aren't any more cougars.
Or we can let them roam the neighborhoods until we discover that a family doesn't have any more children.
Sorry Trey, my arguments may seem simplistic but I am always going to side with the people before the animals.
Sorry Trey, my arguments may seem simplistic but I am always going to side with the people before the animals.
And Daniel, that's a big problem in our society. We often don't put forth the necessary efforts to PREVENT bad things from happening. Once they do happen, too many people like you simply throw up their hands and say, "What else can we do?"
What you're suggesting is a quick knee-jerk short-term reaction to a long-term problem. Sure, the short-term solution solves the immediate problem, BUT it also may have unintended long-term consequences.
We often don't put forth the necessary efforts to PREVENT bad things from happening:
You mean Trey, "Like going after really bad Muslims before they do us again? I thought that idea was against a lefty mentality...maybe your just confused on the idea of doing unto others, man or beast, BEFORE they do unto you.
"Like going after really bad Muslims before they do us again?
Believe me, you don't want to get me started on this topic. Suffice it to say that one of the reason we have so many angry Muslims is the DIRECT result of far too many American knee-jerk short-term strategies. The entire "terrorist" situation proves my point about unintended long-term consequences.
Believe me, you don't want to get me started on this topic. Suffice it to say that one of the reason we have so many angry Muslims is the DIRECT result of far too many American knee-jerk short-term strategies.
Perhaps Infidel, you need too watch a couple of beheadings on Savages website.
1753 American's have died to keep your head off a video tape ,and don't you dare say that it could not happen here.
The former mayor had one working in her office, and the new mayor, "killed" part of a weapon to catch them before something like that could happen....never say never Infidel!
1753 American's have died to keep your head off a video tape ,and don't you dare say that it could not happen here.
1,753 Americans have died and over 12,000 have been injured because Bush & his cronies want to get their hands on Iraqi oil.
OIL....????/ WHAT OIL? YOU SEE $1.25 GAS? As Savage say's. And you know the rest.
OIL....????/ WHAT OIL? YOU SEE $1.25 GAS?
Obviously, you don't understand WHY they want oil. It's certainly NOT to drive down the cost for the consumer. High prices mean high profits. Remember the "oil shortage" in the 70s? The oil industry made a killing!
Of course, Bush & the boys forgot to factor in the Iraqi resistance. The terrorists (your term) or Iraqi patriots (my term) are blowing up oil wells and screwing up delivery channels.
Consequently, though Bush et. al. went to "war" for oil, they still don't have it. Sort of ironic, isn't it?
The majority, the biggest share of the scum,you blind insane lib droppings are not in country but outside forces
You don't know that. There's no way you could know that. It's a guess.
I certainly won't disagree, however, that there aren't foreign fighters in Iraq OR Afghanistan. The US has pissed off the fundamentalist Muslim world and so they're sending fighters to the two areas where "war" is taking place.
I used the word "patriot" to illustrate that how we define the people engaged in this fight is dependent on which side one is on.
The country of Iraq was invaded and is still occupied by the US. For those Iraqis who do not wish to be occupied by a foreign [Christian] country, those who have taken up arms against the US are just as much patriots as the colonists who took up arms against England.
From THEIR perspective (not yours or mine), they're trying to shake off tyranny. So, for many Iraqis, the fighters are well viewed as patriots.
That is not to say that ALL Iraqis view them as such, but a lot do. You can get upset and hurl insults at me all you want, but it doesn't change this reality.
The majority, the biggest share of the scum,you blind insane lib droppings are not in country but outside forces
You don't know that. There's no way you could know that. It's a guess.
Oh yes I do!
Son was their 3 times, there are records just like we have here, and we have access too them. My kid can't tell you anymore then that..if so he'd have to cut your head off.
Research with Northeast Intelligence Networks Doug Hagman has shown the vast majority are coming from outside of the country.
Don't give a crap what MOVEON.ORG or Franken or Mikey Moore say's ..that bad guys really don't live there.
So as I said: As my son said, after I made a off -color remark about the in-country Iraqi people,(he who has been there 3 times) "Dad, they are not all like that, those that are need killing!"
So just STFU, and leave the fighting to people that don't run like you or cry like Durbin.
Research with Northeast Intelligence Networks Doug Hagman has shown the vast majority are coming from outside of the country.
Don't give a crap what MOVEON.ORG or Franken or Mikey Moore say's ..that bad guys really don't live there.
As shown above, by your own words, there is a difference of opinion on this topic. You have decided that some of these sources are credible (the ones you agree with) and some are not credible (the ones you don't agree with).
Conversely, I would give far more credence to Moveon.org, Franken & Moore, among others.
leave the fighting to people that don't run like you
I find "run" to be an interesting choice of a verb. Generally speaking, a person runs [away] when directly confronted with a situation. It might be appropriate IF Iraq had attacked us.
But Iraq didn't attack us; we attacked them. We invaded THEIR country. We are the aggressors, not the victims.
While its tragic that over 1,700 of our brave men and women have died as the result of this attack, tens of thousands of INNOCENT Iraqis have died too (not counting the Iraqi fighters).
While some in Iraq DO deserve punishment, is it fair to punish all Iraqis for the misdeeds of a minority?
Dear Trey:
Enjoyed some reading of your local blog.
Your interest in Tao, might not sit well with the Radical Muslim community. If fact, it may get your 47 year old face on some tape someday.
As someone who is kind of set in his ways at 58, you know Republican/Nam vet ,gun owner(love targets at 300 or more yards) not a big NASCAR fan..I drag race one of those 600 hp fossil fuel burning problems, and a Christian, I'd say we both are in trouble with those folks you want too appease and tolerate.
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But something tell's me from your posts.....sooner then you think, you will be on your knee's praying ix times a day, or thanks too you and others like you, we will be on our knee's in front of a video camera, with some really nasty looking people with hoods over their coward faces.
Ever think if they were not cowards...they would'nt hide?
I find it rather ironic that you are a person who screams, gnashes your teeth and writes in a foul manner, yet you hide behind the name "anonymous". You believe in what you believe in with such passion and emotion, yet you won't even stand up and say who you are! Some bravery!
It's like receiving an anonymous phone call. The person yells, makes threats and might even call one a coward, yet the "brave" caller doesn't have the nerve to leave their name nor phone number.
I write what I believe -- good or bad -- and I sign my name to it. That doesn't make me brave, but at least I'm not hiding my identity either.
Daniel will call this a shameless blug and he's right! I just wrote an entry on my blog called If I Was a Soldier...
I suggest you read it. I'd wager my thoughts on the topic will surprise many of you.
Sorry, that should read shameless plug, not blug.
write what I believe -- good or bad -- and I sign my name to it. That doesn't make me brave, but at least I'm not hiding my identity either.
You know, for 8 yrs, I stood for an issue on community safety, "walked point" as they say, and then discovered that not only was my neighborhood put at risk, but it seems that the nutcases who don't really care about anything but breeding one more nutcase damaged my house, car,cost me a job, and those people who elected me too do something for them, got burned out by the city and county elected who were scared and would not correct a federal law that allowed and continues to allow the issue I went after.
It again boiled down to PC correctness, and the demographfics here in this state where I live are kind of like the border issue,too many too often, and are overwhelming us all.
So, why do you but your name up?
Easy, here with the exception of Daniel, Lars, and a few others, I'm on an small island surrounded by a sea of sharks who love the taste of blood.
I know Lars, his wife, and a few others like me as the years have gone by have been personally threatned for our vocal stances, he on the radio(makes alot of money for him) me, all I got was reviled. We both pack "security" because like the bumpersticker say's..."KEEP PORTLAND WEIRD", not only weird but I learned the hard way, nuts like you run in packs or schools.
The stances I take, I MEAN every word I say, you can trust that.
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WOW, read your excuse, A great reason for people like you too enjoy the freedoom too express yourself(nothing wrong with that),but in these end times, that freedoom seems to be a high octane fuel for those that you have "tolerence" for those who when the "excrement" hits that fan, will tell you.."GO MY WAY, OR LOOSE YOUR HEAD!" and since you will not fight for what you sign your name to COWARD...People like me, my son, and others who now have more "trigger time" then this old man, the stance of a pacfist, will get us all killed.
At 47, WHY DIDN'T YOU SERVE AS A COMBAT MEDIC??? bet you were not 4F either.
Dear Mr.Smith: May I add the following.
HOMELAND INSECURITY
Al-Jazeera to look at open U.S. border
Arab news network interested in lack of security
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Posted: June 25, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
The Arab TV news network criticized by the new Iraqi government and others for its anti-American bias and willingness to carry the messages of terrorist organizations, including al-Qaida, is headed for the U.S.-Mexico border to document how easy it is to enter America illegally.
Chris Simcox
Al-Jazeera has contacted Minuteman Civil Defense Corps leader Chris Simcox to try to arrange interviews. Simcox, who rejected the request for cooperation with the TV network, says al-Jazeera, seen by millions throughout the Arab world and elsewhere, is producing an hour-long documentary news special on lack of security at the U.S. southern border.
Al-Jazeera reporter Naisser Hssaini mentioned the increase in apprehensions of illegal aliens known as OTMs – other than Mexicans. These foreigners increasingly include Arabs, Muslims and others from the Middle East. The reporter also mentioned his familiarity with the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement police of catching and releasing OTMS – particularly those not specifically known to be on any terrorist watch list.
"The group has been denied requests for interviews by Minuteman Civil Defense Corps organizers but they still insist on filming the groups’ activities along with the rest of the media during a July 4th weekend mission near Arivaca, Arizona," said Simcox.
Simcox has contacted the offices of Arizona's two Republican U.S. senators – John McCain and Jon Kyl – to invite them to do interviews with al Jazeera, "so perhaps they can explain to the viewers of this news outlet just how secure America's borders really are."
"The offices of the Arizona members of the United States House of Representatives will also be contacted to alert them to the presence and the intent by the al-Jazeera news crew to film the lack of security along the U.S. border with Mexico," said Simcox. "The office of the Department of Homeland Security will also be notified. The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps also wonders just what DHS would tell al-Jazeera about the condition of our border security."
Simcox also mentioned the U.S. Border Patrol has already been notified.
"Would we allow Japanese or German television to film the unsecured border during World War II?" asked Minuteman spokeswoman Connie Hair. "These people broadcast to the enemies of America. It's not a news story, it's recon."
The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps is the citizen border patrol that virtually stopped illegal crossings from Mexico in a highly trafficked area of Arizona. It is now making plans for similar actions in other areas, other states and along the Canadian border.
As I have written, If you will not defend this country...Give an interview to these people, then they will think your views are the same as the rest of us...then we will all pay for your views on war, but before you cause our deaths for your views,get off my planet first.
As someone who has lived in many VERY conservative communities and who is an unabashed radical leftist, I certainly understand the concept of threats. I too have been threatened and suffered property damage. And my outspoken views have hurt my ability to get a job in Salem.
Yet, despite all this, I still sign my name to my beliefs. You, who waxes eloquently about standing up for what you believe in and bravery, do not. Don't you see a bit of a contradiction here?
You say you believe in your beliefs with all your soul, yet not strong enough to risk the possibility of any kind of retribution, verbal, physical or otherwise.
I guess that's one of the great things about the blogosphere. You can stand on a soapbox and denigrate, impugn, insult and castigate others without having to show your face. Some bravery!
not only weird but I learned the hard way, nuts like you run in packs or schools.
Now this makes no sense whatsoever! You have undressed me for being a peacenik and a coward who will run from any confrontation, yet you're scared of people like me.
Why? We're nonviolent. You're more likely to physically attack us than we would be to attack you. So what are you afraid of? That we'll smile you to death?
After reading these 3 tirades, all I can say is the person who wrote them is so filled with hate that it seems to be consuming him.
I wrote a personal piece about how I could envision myself or anyone else becoming a good soldier (i.e., a lean, mean killing machine) and yet this isn't good enough for him. It seems not to be enough to kill out of fear or a sense of duty; you must enjoy it with gusto because this particular enemy is viewed as not even human.
These tirades also spread the fallacy that "good" Americans are those who dare not question or criticize anything that goes on in this country (though it's interesting that the writers of such rants seem to bitch and moan all the time). This nation was founded by dissenters, people who rose up against their government -- some with the gun and some with the pen.
It seems not to be enough to kill out of fear or a sense of duty; you must enjoy it with gusto because this particular enemy is viewed as not even human.
Human?????? what you call human is an animal that cuts heads off, mutilate's woman, destory's other people's houses of worship,kills babies with glee in the name of ALLAH. Human??? GIVE ME A BREAK!
I too have been threatened and suffered property damage. And my outspoken views have hurt my ability to get a job in Salem.
Yet, despite all this, I still sign my name to my beliefs. You, who waxes eloquently about standing up for what you believe in and bravery, do not. Don't you see a bit of a contradiction here?
WOW,So did I, THIS IS LIBBER HELL HERE...it got my wife nearly injured, my house damaged, my health damaged, for what?
The people here do not care.
You passed on over the border issue...why? You think like the PDX city council that their isn't a threat? That appeasing the Radical Muslims will make them go away from their intended goal..SURE YOU DO!
Look Mr.Smith, a word of advice from an old Vet 65-69, don't bring your views up too some Marine just back from Iraq...NOT HEALTHY.
My question too you is was your father at the San Francisco airport in 1969? If he was, did the nose ever get fixed? He should not have called me what he did. Spent 6 days in the brig ,an it was woth every minute.
Human?????? what you call human is an animal that cuts heads off, mutilate's woman, destory's other people's houses of worship,kills babies with glee in the name of ALLAH. Human??? GIVE ME A BREAK!
If this is your criteria for being human, then the US fails your test too. When we invoked Manifest Destiny and tried to annihilate indian tribes, we were guilty of the same kinds of atrocities.
Custer attacked a village of old men, women and children at the Washita River and gleefully slaughtered most of the population. Contrary to popular belief, the practice of scalping originated with white settlers, not the indians.
We destroyed burial grounds and traded to them blankets laced with small pox. There are numerous recorded reports of the wanton slaughter of women and children. And this was all done in the name of God!
We have given billions of dollars of military aid to Indonesia which used the money and equipment to attempt genoicide on the people of East Timor. We knew this was going on and yet, for over a decade, we continued to funnel money to the Indonesian government.
Through the School of the Americas in Ft. Benning, GA, we have trained some of the worst human rights violators in South America AND we've provided provided billions of dollars in military aid to governments who have murdered their own people.
Do you remember My Lai? According to Wikipedia, "The My Lai massacre was a massacre by American soldiers of hundreds of unarmed Vietnamese civilians, mostly women and children, on March 16, 1968, during the Vietnam War. Becoming a symbol of US-American war crimes in Vietnam, it prompted widespread outrage around the world and reduced public support for the war in the United States."
What some of the most militant Muslim fighters are doing is vulgar and an insult to humanity. I won't argument this point at all. However, the US has been guilty of many similar acts throughout our history.
Does that mean that all Americans are inhuman? Of course not. By the same token, the acts of a Muslim minority doesn't make every Muslim inhuman either.
Oh, I forgot to add the Taliban and Saddam Hussein. Only 4 months before 9/11, who gave the Taliban (known abusers of human rights and the subjugation of women) $18 million? It was the United States.
When Saddam was gassing the Kurds, who supplied Iraq with military aid and CIA information? Again, it was the U.S.
We knew of the evil deeds and atrocities both were committing, yet it didn't stop us from financially supporting their efforts. While it's true we weren't "pulling the trigger", looking the other way when you know someone else is committing atrocities is a form of culpability.
Your last comments Mr. Smith speak for themselfs.
Perhaps history says one thing too you, and too me, something different.
Your coward rear would not be here,if not for the soldiers who did what they do, for the last 200 plus yrs.
Your not worthy of breathing the same air with any member of the armed services.
When your Dad saw my uniform, he called me a "baby killer" and spit on me, for that gesture....it took 3 SFO cops to pull me off him(GOD, I can still see the blood from his nose) He cried like Dick Durbin, he actually cried.
The mention of My lai, you didn't mention that the people lead by Cally had just like in the movie you saw...found a "grunt", well shall we say,"pretty messed up" and this village did harbor VC because one, they had no choice, or two they were VC and for that people got wasted.
That's right, you're aa "veggey" kind of guy, no meat, I KNOW CAN'T KILL ANYTHING.
I wonder who you would call if you were ever placed in harms way?
Your pastor? NO, you don't like God, your best friend? Sounds like they maybe few and far, I know, a cop! No, you hate those too, and it would certainly not be the USMC ,because while they would come, it's their duty to place themselfs into harms way to save your worthless ungreatful a--, they would come, and after they removed the threat, your genes, from your Dad, would take over, and perhaps the Gunney Sargent would get to you in time like the SFO cops did me, and then?????
Mr. SMITH, do me a favor and speak out on other subjects,because this subject is pissing me off, and you, Mr. Smith are boring me.
Anonymous,
It's evident to anyone reading this thread that you are a person consumed with anger and hate. You aren't interested in a dialogue; you only want to shout from your street corner, drowning out any voice but your own.
The old adage seems true in your case -- Your hate becomes YOU. I'm signing off on this thread, but I'm sure I'll bump into you again.
but I'm sure I'll bump into you again. Said Mr. SMITH:
Dear Mr.Smith: You are correct, you have shot your bumptime with me sometime ago.
I suggest that if you want to prove your case as to "signing on" to your position, that you approach a man or woman in uniform and ask them, "HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE A TRIGGERHAPPY TRAINED KILLER?" (pretty close to your words if not exact) then be sure to call your dentist in advance....as you will need his services for sure. HAVE A CRAPPY DAY!
Hello from SEASIDE OREGON!
This is The mother of the boy who ran into the cougar. Ironically a good (conservative)friend of mine passed this along to me.
I would LOVE to have you visit my website.
http://www.geocities.com/cougarwatch2005.com
I feel this does NOT need to be a political issue, it is more a HUMAN RIGHTS issue. The ironic part about all of this is I am a liberal. However, when it comes to humans being lunch for cougars than we HAVE to find a way to fix the problem.
I DO care DEEPLY about animals (including the ones the cougar is eating). BUT UNDERSTAND...I am NOT part of PETA or any other group such as them. I have MANY liberal friends that hunt. I have zero desire to hunt, but to each his own.
Please visit my website and read the personal views link. It explains how we feel on most of this.
What baffles me is, I have recieved so much negative feedback from CONSERVATIVES...seems to me I am on THIER side in this. Cougars are coming down to OUR homes here. Our house is VERY old and did NOT use to be a cougar territory. Isn't it possible that there are TOO MANY cougars NOW? This is my (and MANY OTHERS) belief.
Lena and family
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