Sunday, August 20, 2006

So who are those aged hippies anyway?


So who is the Freedom Socialist Party? (and what gives them the impression that they can tell me what to do?)

THE FREEDOM SOCIALIST PARTY IS a revolutionary, socialist feminist organization, dedicated to the replacement of capitalist rule by a genuine workers' democracy that will guarantee full economic, social, political, and legal equality to women, people of color, gays, and all who are exploited, oppressed, and repelled by the profit system and its offshoot -- imperialism.

FOR A MASS WORKINGCLASS PARTY History has proven that only a thoroughly democratic and centralized vanguard party can lead the proletariat and its many allies to power. The FSP, a product of the living tradition of Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky, aspires to become a mass organization capable of providing direction for the coming American revolution.

That's correct folks, "history" shows us how Marxism and Leninism was so "successful."



Apparently the "work ethic" within the socialist movement isn't as strong as is should be since their website doesn't list any activities more recent than July 15.

I just thought that I would show who the people who support amnesty and who support illegal aliens are. They are the same people who support mass-murdering despots like Stalin.

44 comments:

Anonymous said...

They are the social misfits we knew in public school. The dweebs, the dwarts and the wall-flowers that never fit in and now seek revenge on those who did.

Daniel said...

They seemed like a geniunely depressed bunch. Not a smile to be found amongst them.

Anonymous said...

Yes, very depressed and very angry wanting to excel at something and all they can offer is negative.

If you can't do good, do bad.

Anonymous said...

Daniel-

Great job! Me and my family got a big kicks out of the pictures of the socialists!

Ross Day

The Cheezer said...

Sorry I couldn't attend, I was working and paying taxes to support my family, community and country.
It amazes me that these idiots do not see more than 20 million people entering this country illegaly as an invasion.
If any other country attempted to do that, we would see it as an act of war.
Great job Daniel, you are a true American!

Wallace said...

I would like to respond to your comments about the Freedom Socialist Party.

The FSP is one of the many tendencies of middle-class radical protest groups that call itself “socialist” but have little to no understanding of socialist political economy and are therefore incapable of articulating a clear vision of socialism or fighting for it. Based on your sweeping remarks about this group, I’d say they know only a little more about socialism than you do, which obviously, though not surprisingly, is nothing.

That is not to say that the people you encountered in Cornelius do not feel some measure of solidarity with the Latino workers whose presence you are protesting. A great many people do -- including Democrats and Republicans, along with a great many more people who might think of themselves as apolitical.

The level of ignorance regarding socialist politics and Russian history that is articulated by a relatively few number of people, including Daniel, on this web site is so abysmally low I refuse to waste my time dealing with it. I am posting only to point out the extreme disingenuousness of Daniel’s remark that he only wants to “show who the people who support amnesty and who support illegal aliens are.”

Notwithstanding the fact that those individuals affiliated with the FSP have some genuine concern for the working class and are appalled by the neo-fascism embraced by your group, it is clear that your intent is to hold up what you regard as a fringe element as a representative example of the political type that supports working-class Latinos who do not have the approval of the United States government. Obviously, you are trying to affirm for yourselves and promote to the uninitiated what you regard as your own political normalcy and legitimacy.

This is intellectually dishonest. It is a disgusting lie.

Millions of Americans are opposed to and disgusted by the fascist politics of the ultra-right, the “Christian” right, and increasingly, elements within the Republican Party itself.

It is not necessary to be a member of the FSP, or to even be a socialist, to find your reactionary politics and your obligatory, though half-hearted, attempts to disguise your racism utterly UN-American. One doesn’t need to hail from some fringe group to have compassion and respect, and yes, political support for working-class Latinos and their families, “legal” or otherwise.

From what I can tell, there is only one element of this blog that has any merit whatsoever, and that is the author’s willingness to open it to public discussion, including those who choose to not identify themselves. Given the climate of political reaction in this country and the outrageous attempts by the Bush White House to snuff out dissent and shield itself from even the mildest criticism, that is something.

Anonymous said...

But a greater number of people (US Citizens for example) disagree with these illegal 'workers.'

If Daniel's photo's don't show those who "support amnesty and who support illegal aliens," and this "fringe element" is not what they portray, who are they? Impostors?

It appears to take an element, for whatever reason, that reaches its boiling point before the majority of us to do something, ANYTHING about this mess. Don't mistake Daniel's personal motivation as unrelated to the gut-reaction of average Americans. There's an increasing number of insulated intellectuals coming around to his view on illegal immigration.

And don't be mistaken, this issue goes far beyond "the ultra-right, the “Christian” right, and increasingly, elements within the Republican Party itself." It's a matter of national identity; discontent with the current regime has nothing to do with it ... and linking the two is becoming a recognizable ploy...

"Reactionary politics," you call it; reacting to what? An invasion, a new 'majority minority,' the establishment of a second class culture? I say we're lucky to have politics as a tool, and that Americans aren't disregarding our laws to the extent these illegals are, or it could get real ugly!

The charge of "racism" also rings hollow; and, it's racist to imply it! ...yet another ploy...

Then we get to Bush, the guy that openly courted the Hispanic vote (in Spanish). So he's linked to the Minutemen on this issue..? Nope, he's solidly in league with the "Have Mores!" -- not the working man, or the Minute men (and women).

Daniel said...

Wallace, so what specific comment relfecting an uninformed opinion on socialism or Russian history? I said that Stalin was a murderous despot. He was.

The FPS supports amnesty, open borders and illegal aliens. That's why they were there.

Rick Hickey said...

If the FSM were really worried about Worker exploitation, They would understand the findings of the Southern Poverty Law Center (an open borders group also).
Their latest report (CNN-Lou Dobbs, fri, 8-18-06)
shows that LEGAL immigrants with a Legal Work Visa are being exploited already, they said we cannot have another Amnesty/work program, until the current ones stop this "Indentured servant" class. i.e. Worker is deported if he/she loses job, boss knows that.
FSM would also understand how this undercuts Legal immigrant and American workers pay/advancement with a desperate group willing to work for anything.

THANK YOU to Victoria Taft, Jeff Kropf, Lars Larson, Fox news CH# 12 & Oregonian for helping us spread the word.

Daniel, of course.

THANK YOU to the Mayor of Cornelius, Terry Skilling.
Mike w/Minutemen & everybody that joined us yesterday.

The e-mails and calls to OFIR are overwhelming.
Thank you and Yes I do have a Family and a job, they all understand how important this is.

This place is SHUT DOWN! (I will double check)

Next Day Labor Site to close will be...

ps, to the Chief of Police of Cornelius, who was with us from 7-12:30, relax.
pss, to the only person that picked up Illegals (I know she has this site info) YOU HAVE BEEN REPORTED TO ICE. You think they aren't working? Well they don't UNTIL we stir it up and we just did. Ask IFSCO Pallet co. & the fishing crews on the coast.
psss, FSM, I want ALL the WHITE Illegal Aliens to go home and wait in line to come here Legally also!

Rick Hickey said...

Forgot, HEY OPEN BORDER WACKO'S!
Yes, we know where the DLS in Hillsboro and Portland are also.

Camera batteries are charging.

Anonymous said...

We all owe Wallace for his intellectual comment. Golly, that was swell!

As with most true blues he dropped the Neo word and that was intended to be hurtful to we insensitive beasts.

Wally, have you been to Cuba lately?

Wallace said...

Daniel, you seem to accept, uncritically, that the members of the Freedom Socialist Party whose photographs you display are truly socialists. I could spend a lot of time explaining to you that they really aren't, but I might as well try teaching advanced alegebra to someone who doesn't know how to add, subtract, divide and multiply.

But for the sake of argument, let's accept your premise, that these individuals are socialists, that they truly are representative of what socialism is about. For you, these are "socialists." They are the real deal. Fine.

Real socialists DO NOT and DID NOT "support mass-murdering despots like Stalin." You are equating the two, and this is one of the great lies of the 20th century. I can't accuse you of lying yourself, because I don't doubt that you believe it to your bones. But it is absolutely not true.

If you had even a basic understanding of Russian history and Marxist political economy, you would know that Stalin -- who absolutely WAS a mass-murdering despot -- aimed the machinery of his reactionary government against socialists. Socialists -- working people not so very different from yourself who, unlike yourself, had grasped the fundamental tenents of classical Marxism and were fighting for revolutionary change, were arrested and slaughtered by Stalin and his agents because they were socialists and thus represented a threat to his reactionary and anti-democratic regime.

You assume that Stalin was a socialist, which he wasn't, and you assume that anyone who purports to embrace socialism, whether they really have any idea of what they are talking about or not, automatically "support mass-murdering despots like Stalin."

This is simplistic beyond measure, ridiculous and absurd.

For you to declare that the Freedom Socialist Party is somehow representative of socialism, or that Stalinism was the expression of socialism would make about as much sense as for me to suggest to someone who doesn't know any better that you are, politically speaking, a typical mainstream American.

You aren't and you know it. If you were -- and I admit that I'm making a bit of a leap here, but I dare say it's a fairly safe assumption -- we would not have a President Bush. We would have a President Peroutka in the White House, and we would have a Gov. Mary Starrett this fall.

But as I say, you aren't, and so we don't and we won't.

big Mike said...

"The level of ignorance...on this web site is so abysmally low I refuse to waste my time dealing with it."

Thought I would shorten the quote to point this out. You're right...the ignorance on this website IS low.

My parents are so far left, they are border-line Socialists...yet, for some reason they do not support illegal aliens "rights".

I think they understand that no matter where you lay in politics, you cannot support this and have to be against it.

Anonymous said...

Thanks to Mary Starrett for not forgetting what is really important to us Americans!

Daniel said...

Ummm, Wallace, this is from the Freedom Socialist Website:

The FSP, a product of the living tradition of Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky, aspires to become a mass organization capable of providing direction for the coming American revolution.

And my values are mainstream America. Traditional marriage, the right to gun ownership, limited government, private property rights and the rule of law are supported by a vast majority of the American population.

Daniel said...

Ummm, Wallace, this is from the Freedom Socialist Website:

The FSP, a product of the living tradition of Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky, aspires to become a mass organization capable of providing direction for the coming American revolution.

And my values are mainstream America. Traditional marriage, the right to gun ownership, limited government, private property rights and the rule of law are supported by a vast majority of the American population.

Anonymous said...

"... No matter where you lay in politics, you cannot support this and have to be against it."

Really?

You're trying to equate illegal immigration with the most henious activity human beings are capable of. Pedophilia, for example. In other words, while everyone can have varying positions on crime and punishment, the source of crime, death penalty v. anti-death penalty, at least we can all agree on some things: We can at least all agree that pedophilia is evil, sick, wrong, horrifying. At least, those of us who aren't pedophiles believe this. But if you're a pedophile, you are simply beyond the pale. You've forfeited your right to pretty much everything. At least we can all agree on that, right?

Right. Some things really aren't up for debate.

Big Mike, though, nudges those who support immigrants' rights into the same den of moral decay:

"... No matter where you lay in politics, you cannot support this and have to be against it."

To quote Danny Boy's photo caption, "What gives [you] the impression that [you] can tell me what to do?

I've got two words for you "Big" Mike, and the first letter of each is "F" and "Y."

Wallace said...

Yes, the FSP claims it is the "living tradition of Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky."

You claim that your "values are mainstream America."

George Bush claims that he is a Christian.

Osama bin Laden claims that he is fighting for Islamic people.

You're all full of shit.

Anonymous said...

It won't work. The second they are no longer "oppressed" they become the oppressors and it comes full circle. They just hate Christian white males.

What do the and you mean by "working class" anyway? Who is the one being intellectually dishonest, wallace? By "working class" you mean "illegal immigrant" and that offends me as a working class citizen.

And anon 2:42...you're a coward. big mike isn't doing as you say. He's saying that even far left liberals don't agree with these criminals. Apparently you're siding with the criminals.

I've got two words for you "Big" Mike, and the first letter of each is "F" and "Y."

I've got two words for you: grow up.

Anonymous said...

Wallace, you claim you know what you're talking about.

Anonymous said...

Too bad for you that our President, George W. Bush, and the majority of Republican Senators agree with the FSP.

One more thing to Hickey, you know where the DLS are in Portland and Hillsboro? Good, come on down if you can muster two anti-immigrant activists. We are creating a website where employers can be matched with employees. Call it a "virtual day labor site". Try to protest a website, bitch! bahahahahahahah

Anonymous said...

Big Mike is saying that we MUST take the same political position he is, that "no matter where you lay in politics," you MUST take a certain position on illegal immigration -- his.

Bullshit. BULLSHIT. I find Mike's politics, and his position on "illegal" immigrants reprehensible and backward and rooted in racism, but I'm not telling him he MUST believe something else. He can believe whatever he likes. He's entitled to his opinion, as am I am entitled to mine.

One thing he DOESN'T have a right to is to tell me that there are some political positions that I simply "must" share with him.

I must, or ... what? What shall be done with those who do not share Big Mike's views? Shall we be rounded up and tried for treason? Put in prison? Shot?

Go ahead and try it, baby.

Rick Hickey said...

anon 4:06 said "We are creating a website where employers can be matched with employees".

Hello? They already exist, such as Monster.com or careerfinder.com etc.

Did you mean jobs ONLY for Illegal Aliens? We won't have to shut that down, the Gov't will do it.

I really wish that the Irish Consulate of Portland would sell a photo ID card, accepted by this State as valid ID, to their Illegal Aliens, with 16 State agencies helping.

We would Protest that also and what would you open border nut jobs say then?

ENFORCE THE LAW & BUILD A WALL!

Anonymous said...

Best to ignore Wally and his pals.

Leave the Dung Beatles rest.

Anonymous said...

I was all excited to see a radical woman sign yesterday...then i found out they were all nuts. Good concept though.

The only disturbing thing was that , ahem shhhhh ( men were holding the signs too)


Amy

Anonymous said...

Your popularity it increasing in leaps and bounds Daniel. Keep up the good work!

Daniel said...

A website where people can find jobs? Dammit, I sure wish that I had thought of that first, seems like something that could catch on...

Anonymous said...

Thanks to OFIR the problem of illegal laboris being brought to the surface.

Small minds call it racisim.I am proud of America. Whatever race,or nationality who calls the USA home and has papers is more than welcome.

I am proud of my racially diverse family. I am even more proud that they care enough to be legal and be Americans.



Amy

Anonymous said...

Another set of good photos. Keep up the good work.

Anonymous said...

Kind of easy to understand what we are dealing with here.

A communist is someone who reads Marx.

An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx.

Scottiebill said...

Wallace writes as though his Bibles are "The Communist Manifesto" and "Mein Kampf".

Kristopher said...

Hmmmm ... socialists have been responsible for nearly 150 million deaths by democide during the twentieth century.

Exactly why should sane humans tolerate such a murderous ideology?

Anonymous said...

"Socialists have been responsible for nearly 150 million deaths ..."

That is absolutely, demonstrably, objectively false.

KS said...

These people are short on brains and are victimocrats.
Unfortunately the mainstream media seems to regard them as their primary audience and keeps broadcasting the same old anti-Republican bilge to try and carry out their mission of the attempt to dumb down America, as this group represents - ugh !

Anonymous said...

"Socialists have been responsible for nearly 150 million deaths ..."

That is absolutely, demonstrably, objectively false.


No...it's about right.

Anonymous said...

You say it's "demonstratably false". So...demonstrate it.

Anonymous said...

The individual who made the "150 million" remark is probably referring to the estimate in a book from the 1990s called "The Black Book of Communism" where the authors catalogued every conceivable armed conflict that involved anyone who claimed to be a "communist" in the 20th century and lumped them together in order to deduce that "communism" had actually killed more people then fascism.

It's a flawed and ahistorical book written by people who don't have the slightest understanding of what Marxism is about and what socialism is supposed to be (or how to do historical research) and it relies primarily on the bogus equation of Stalin with communism, which is absurd to anyone who has seriously studied political philosophy and Russian history.

But hey, if we're going to use that logic, let's gather up all the conflicts that have transpired over the last 2,000 years waged in the name of Christianity and blame Jesus himself for the death toll. What would it be? 300 million? 400 million? More? It's absurd on its face. By the same logic used by the "Black Book" authors, Jesus Christ was the founder of the planet's largest terrorist and war organization. Anyone here believe that? I don't.

The real pisser is that I've just wasted 20 minutes answering a question that no one here will believe or give any credibility to anyway. What's the fucking point? Disregard everything above. Forget you read it. Nothing to see, move along.

Anonymous said...

All we are asking for is borders for our country. This isn't exactly a Heaven or hell issue..I have no ill will against hispanics, I would like to have the USA protected from financial destruction and terrorists. Pretty simple.


Amy

Bob White said...

Amy, did you support Nafta and GATT?

Anonymous said...

Bob,

Hell NO!!!



Amy

Anonymous said...

Oh right...socialists are all hippies that wouldn't hurt a flea.

You're fooling yourself. If you lie to yourself, do you know it? Hmm...

Anonymous said...

2/3's of the country's against the war in Iraq, dude. They can't all be hippies ... or "Al quaida types."

Anonymous said...

I am against the war in Iraq. I want all those troops on our border. See, we can all be happy...no war in Iraq and secure borders.


Amy

Anonymous said...

"2/3's of the country's against the war in Iraq, dude."

"That is absolutely, demonstrably, objectively false."