Wednesday, August 30, 2006

The irony

Willamette Week has an interesting article about hustlers who take advantage of illegal aliens. (Admittedly this is much like robbing a drug traffiker of his cocaine during a deal)

At the bottom of the article is the ultimate irony:

Unlike applications for public assistance, most immigration forms are available only in English, according to a spokeswoman for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

I will say that it's too bad that we allow a group of people to come here with false hope for the American dream. Promises of amnesty and "guest worker" status have contributed to the choice of many people to come here illegaly.

With Amigos Like These
Luis Elias, who works at the Mexican Consulate in Portland as a liaison between Mexican citizens and Oregon law enforcement, adds that undocumented immigrants often aren't willing to believe or accept that they have no avenue for legalizing their status in the United States. They're vulnerable because they're desperate, and when someone tells them "no," they may turn to businesses that say "yes," even if the promises are false.

If we simply enforced our laws then people would realize that there is only one way to get the American dream: the legal way.


BEAR said...

hey, Mr. Daniel, check out the school testing results by ethnicity (SAT scores). The results are interesting. The newly released national poverty stats are interesting, also. Both show the depressing effect of illegal aliens.

BEAR said...

re your post, I couldn't help but notice the lack of embarassment that this clown's countrymen are fleeing mehico like the cucarachas they are, or that his or his government's desire might be to have the illegals come home. So, pay attention, illegals....YOUR OWN COUNTRY THINKS YOU HAVE NO VALUE!!! Not as citizens, not as voters, and certainly not as workers. Given that GLARING reality......WHY should WE want anything to do with you? Oh, I know, "just because".....sheesh.

Daniel said...

They have value to Mexico as senders of American money.

Anonymous said...

Walking into the City Library tonight and meet a IA family of four where the 6 year old daughter is dressed like a hooker.

What was worse was she was dressed like a Mexican hooker.

How diverse!!

Anonymous said...

You know, you might have credibiilty if you didn't have a gangbanging racist past.

Anonymous said...


Lets just be honest, you have no courage. You are a very small individual.Your character reeks of ignorance and your soul is clouded by anger. You have taken the liberty of defining what someone else is without an inventory of your own ills and shortcomings. It is conceivable that you do not wish to opine on your own guilt, thus preying on others open inventories...Shame on you.


Anonymous said...

I remember a post here about how American Cars are reliable. They are not. I wish they were.
I trust Scientists that work for a Magazine that accepts NO advertising so they cannot be bought off. I also trust the 1.2 Mil. owners of these vehicles.
Your car is the #2 chunk of money you will likely ever spend. Get a good one and one that will have good resale value.
Our 2005 reliability survey, the largest of its kind, reached a milestone this year—we've gathered responses on more than 1 million vehicles from Consumer Reports and subscribers, the most we've ever received. These results underpin the most comprehensive reliability data you will find anywhere.
Of the 31 cars that earned top rating, 29 were Japanese. Of these, 15 were from Toyota and its Lexus division and eight were from Honda.
Of the 48 cars that earned the lowest rating, 22 carry American nameplates, 20 are European, 4 are from Japan (all from Nissan and its Infiniti division (many Nissans are made in Mexico)), and 2 are from South Korea.

Rick Hickey said...

USA Today also confirmed today via the Census that personal incomes are still FLAT for over 6 years now!
Family income has increased because more families now have Adults working multiple jobs.
(Isn't that great when the KIDS never see Mom & Dad because they
have to compete with 20 sharing a House w/free food & health care)

MIKE, KEARL, AL...Of course that has nothing to do with the market being flooded by desperate run aways from the 3rd World, right?
It must be Bush's fault, right?

let's see here...Gas prices, Home prices, College costs, Medical insurance...HUGE increases...BUT people are earning the same as 6 years ago (except for Gov't employees).
These Illegal "workers" are not good for whats left of the Middle Class opportunity in America.
EMPLOYERS would have to pay more to all of us without the Illegal job competition & THEY wouldn't be taken advantage of IF they had "documents", would they?

Anonymous said...

Rick, I'd like to 'second' that: "These Illegal "workers" are not good for whats left of the Middle Class opportunity in America." That's the same thought I had after hearing that news today ... and, this nation had better clean house!

el razonador said...

Rick - attributing flat income growth to illegal immigration is laughable. This trend has been going on since the 70s, and you are the first, among many observers I've read, to curiously point to illegal immigrants as the cause. As I pointed out in a previous post, job growth in the U.S. has been both at the high end and the low end with a contraction in the middle. This is the reason for flat income growth. Real wages for those in lower sector have declined and incomes for those in the high-end have grown. These are not government worker jobs but rather the occupations of corporate executive types, who you selectively omit from your indictment.

The cause? Global free trade, China, India, etc. The same forces driving illegal immigration. Free market principles, insofar as you believe in their infallibility (which I don't) would tell you to stop complaining and compete by increasing your skills and education.

Kristopher said...

Anonymous said...

You know, you might have credibiilty if you didn't have a gangbanging racist past.

Daniel has demonstrated that he can grow up and not repeat the mistakes he made as a kid.

You, however, are still a retarded lefty.

Anonymous said...

El razonador,

"attributing flat income growth to illegal immigration is laughable. This trend has been going on since the 70s"

So, how long do you suppose illegal immigration has been affecting blue collar income growth?

El razonador, do you really think the supply of cheap labor has not lowered the wages paid for the labor?

So, if illegal alien workers from Mexico can now get 10 - 15 dollars an hour for roofing work, you don't believe the wage would quickly fall to the minimum wage if our government said come one, come all, and stopped turning back the Chinese, Haitian, and Malaysian poor?

President Bush's guest worker program is not limited to Mexican workers woking for American farmers. A local contractor will be able to get his "cheaper than dirt" Chinese guest worker legally, after advertising his roofing job for $7.95 for several months with no takers.

How about we limit immigration to the point of where a man can move to America with his family and support them with a blue collar job as a farm hand or roofer?

el razonador said...

Anon -

"So, how long do you suppose illegal immigration has been affecting blue collar income growth?"

It hasn't. Several influential studies have examined this very question, all concluding that immigration (legal or illegal) does not impact the wages of low-skilled native workers. The only group negatively affected by the sustained migration of low-skilled immigrants are previously arrived immigrants. Now, I grant that there may be some suppression of wages within certain industries (I don't know) such as construction, but I would also bet that this wage depression is demand-driven (consumer demand for cheap housing) rather than supply-driven. These two things are extremely hard to disentagle, and for right-wing armchair political buffs to speak so freely of causation is ridiculous.

"El razonador, do you really think the supply of cheap labor has not lowered the wages paid for the labor?"

Based on the same studies I allude to above, I'm confident that there is no causal relationship between immigration and wages for labor. There are two factors that you need to consider. First, the nature of blue collar work has changed drastically owing to the hollowing out of the manufacturing sector (offshoring) and the rapid growth of mind-numbing service work (fast-food, big box stores, etc.). The second is the rapid raising of living-standards and consumption patterns among Americans. These two trends - globalization and increased consumption standards - feed off of one another, generating greater demand for more and more stuff, and therefore, it must be cheap.

"How about we limit immigration to the point of where a man can move to America with his family and support them with a blue collar job as a farm hand or roofer? "

You could limit immigration to zero, and this would still not happen. Not even close. Without a ready supply of cheap labor, prices would soar. The common laborer would probably be worse of than now. The only way that I could see your little 1950s pipe dream coming true, would be if government services such as health care were vastly expanded, and in this country, we've been moving quickly in the opposite direction for the past 20 years.

You're right about one thing, though. As long as these major international wage disparities exist, there will always be a large tide of willing immigrant workers. If you really wanted to see some change, you'd push your law makers to pressure organizations like the U.N. and IMF to make things a little easier for poor people to get a leg up, rather than catering to corporate interests.

BEAR said...

hey, raz, nice try....unfortunately, your theories and so-called facts are straight out of the fidel castro magic economy text. " care services" declining over the last two decades?!! NONSENSE! Can you spell Oregon Health Plan? How about Medicare Prescription coverage? The rest of your garbage is just as foolish. You don't get away with lefty lies, here.....sheesh.

el razonador said...

Bear - Because the Oregon Health Plan exists this means that welfare spending is on the rise over the past twenty years, nationally? Is that your argument?

Calling my perspective, which I have articulated step-by-step pointing to ample evidence, "foolish" does not make it so. To do that, you would actually have to provide something in the way of a convincing counter-argument. Do you care to do so?

Until then, I can only assume that your reluctance to actually address substantive flaws in my argument stems from your inability to do so, leaving you with the lesser option of resorting to name-calling and empty label-peddling.

Anonymous said...

This chapter shall be known and may be cited as the “City of Hillsboro Illegal Alien Immigration Relief Act Ordinance.”
The People of the City of Hillsboro find and declare:
A. That illegal immigration leads to higher crime rates, contributes to overcrowded classrooms and failing schools, subjects our hospitals to fiscal hardship and legal residents to substandard quality of care, contributes to other burdens on public services, increasing their cost and diminishing their availability to lawful residents, and destroys our neighborhoods and diminishes our overall quality of life.
B. That the City of Hillsboro is authorized to abate public nuisances and empowered and mandated by the People of Hillsboro to abate the nuisance of illegal immigration by diligently prohibiting the acts and policies that facilitate illegal immigration and punishing the people and businesses that aid and abet illegal aliens.
C. This ordinance seeks to secure to those lawfully present in the United States and this City, whether or not they are Citizens of the United States, the right to live in peace free of the threat of illegal alien crime, to enjoy the public services provided by this city without being burdened by the cost of providing goods, support and services to any whose presence in the United States is contrary to its laws and to be free of the debilitating effects on their economic and social well being imposed by the influx of illegal aliens to the fullest extent that these goals can be achieved consistent with the Constitution and Laws of the United States and the State of Oregon.
Whenever used in this chapter, the following terms shall have the following meanings:

“City” means the City of Hillsboro.
“Illegal Alien” means any person whose initial entry into the United States was illegal and whose current status is also illegal as well as any person who, after entering legally, has failed to leave the United States upon the expiration of his or her visa.
Any entity or any parent, affiliate, subsidiary or agent of any entity (other than a charity recognized as exempt from federal income taxation under Sec. 501 of the Internal Revenue Code of the United States and which has obtained and continues to have in force an exemption from federal income taxation), that knowingly employs, retains, aids or abets illegal aliens or illegal immigration into the United States, whether directly or by or through any agent, ruse, guise, device or means, no matter how indirect, and even if the agent or entity might otherwise be exempted from this section, or violates any provision of this Ordinance, shall from the date of the violation or its discovery, whichever shall be later, be denied and barred from approval of a business permit, renewal of a business permit, any city contract or grant as follows:
(1) For the first violation for a period of five years,
(2) For any subsequent violation, for a period of ten years.
A. “Aids or abets” includes, but is not limited to:
(i) hiring of illegal aliens,
(ii) providing, renting or leasing real property to illegal
(iii) funding, providing goods and services to or aiding in the establishment or continuation of any day labor center or other entity providing similar services, unless the entity acts with due diligence to verify the legal work status of all persons whom it employs, provides job assistance for or in any way assists or facilitates in obtaining any employment.
B. Except as provided in C., any action or failure to act done within the boundaries of this City that aids and abets illegal aliens or facilitates their avoiding detection and apprehension anywhere in the United States, its territories or possessions violates this Ordinance.
C. This Ordinance shall not be construed to prohibit rendering emergency medical care, emergency assistance or legal assistance.

A. Illegal aliens are prohibited from leasing or renting property in the city. Any property owner or renter/tenant/lessee in control of property, who knowingly allows an illegal alien to use, rent or lease their property shall be in violation of this section.
B. Any person or entity that violates this Section shall be subject to a fine of $1,000.00.
C. A separate violation of this Section of this Ordinance shall be deemed to have been committed on each day during or on which a violation occurs or continues.
A. The City of Hillsboro declares that English is the official language of the City.
B. Unless explicitly mandated by the federal government, the state of Oregon or the City of Hillsboro, all official city business, forms, documents, signage will be written in English only.
If any part or provision of this Chapter is in conflict or inconsistent with applicable provisions of federal or state statutes, or is otherwise held to be invalid or unenforceable by any court of competent jurisdiction, such part or provision shall be suspended and superseded by such applicable laws or regulations, and the remainder of this Chapter shall not be affected thereby.
Any Ordinances or parts of Ordinances inconsistent with or contrary to the provisions of this Ordinance are hereby repealed.
ORDAINED by Council this ________ day of September, 2006.

Anonymous said...

Welcome to Small Town Defenders!

I’m Lou Barletta, the proud Mayor of the City of Hazleton, Pennsylvania.

I believe the United States of America is the greatest nation on Earth. People who are in this country have an incredible amount of opportunities and blessings. But some people have taken advantage of America’s openness and tolerance. Some come to this country and refuse to learn English, creating a language barrier for city employees. Others enter the country illegally and use government services by not paying taxes or by committing crime on our streets, further draining resources here in Hazleton.

Recent crimes – such as a high-profile murder, the discharge of a gun at a crowded city playground, and drug busts – have involved illegal immigrants. Some of those allegedly involved in those crimes were detained by other law enforcement officials over the years, but were somehow allowed to remain in this country. They eventually migrated into Hazleton, where they helped create a sense of fear in the good, hardworking residents who are here legally.

Illegal aliens in our City create an economic burden that threatens our quality of life.

With a growing problem and a limited budget, I could not sit back any longer and allow this to happen. I needed to act! That’s why I drafted the Illegal Immigration Relief Act, a measure designed to say enough is enough.

To the residents of Hazleton, I say thank you for your support.

To our recently arrived legal immigrants, I say welcome to our City. I wish you all the best and hope the United States and Hazleton can be a place where your dreams come true. I am proud to represent you as your Mayor.

And to illegal immigrants and those who would hire or abet them in any way, I say your time is up. You are no longer welcome.

There are thousands of small towns and cities across America like Hazleton, Pennsylvania. I hope the steps we’re taking in Hazleton to defend ourselves will inspire others to become small town defenders.

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