Wednesday, July 12, 2006

The "Tan Klan"

Rove tells Latino leaders US facing critical moment
Karl Rove, U.S. President George W. Bush's senior political advisor, on Tuesday took the administration's message on immigration reform to Latino leaders, saying the country was approaching a "critical moment" in the debate.

Speaking at the annual convention of leading Latino civic group the National Council of La Raza, Rove said Bush would work with Republicans and Democrats in coming weeks to push through reform legislation that has bitterly divided Congress, the Republican Party and the nation.

For my feelings on this see my post about this from last Friday.

Worth repeating:

Click here to view a video of other NCLR conferences where Bush says, in Spanish, that he is going to "build bridges, not walls." Bush senior says "keep up the good work for La Raza" which means to keep up the good work for the race. Of course, they are joined by John Kerry, Bill Clinton and Al Gore.


Anonymous said...

Isn't she Great?

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Anonymous said...

America without Mexicans illegals would be like pizza without the broken glass.

el razonador said...

so, Daniel, I'm curious, what is your opinion of another ethnic-related organization, the American Indian College Fund? This organization includes this among their objectives:

"Offering accredited degrees while keeping Indian culture and tradition at the heart of their curricula, tribal colleges are changing the face of Indian education, one graduate at a time."

Is this also a "racist" organization in your view?

Rooster55 said...

el razonador,

of course it is not a racist organization. Only white males are capable of racism.

If this is a non-government funded organization they have the right to spend their money any way they so desire.

el razonador said...

Thanks Rooster -- I was just curious to get Daniel's response as he seems apoplectic about La Raza's "racism". I wanted to know if he felt other privately funded groups such as the American Indian College Fund or United Negro College Fund, or the National Association of Asian American Professionals, all privately funded and designed to aid members of a certain background, were racist as well. Seems that he should at least be fair.

Maybe his fear is that groups like the NCLR are really intent on regaining for Mexico land that they lost in 1848. If Mexicans did feel this was a racial struggle, it wouldn't surpise me, given the original cause behind the American incursion, a conflict that Stephen Austin described as "a war of barbarism and of despotic principles, waged by the mongrel Spanish-Indian and Negro race, against civilization and the Anglo-American race."

Nonetheless, perusing NCLR's website, there is nothing suggesting that they have such revolutionary goals as to regain land for Mexico on behalf of "the race". That a few fringe leftists might have this radical goal in no way means that it should be attributed to the NCLR. Judging the group as a whole by a few outlying bad apples is never a wise practice. By this logic, we would have to assume that all American soldiers rape and kill innocents, and we know that's not true.

Daniel might also be interested in the etomology of words like race and nation. In its earliest form, race comes from Middle French circa 1500, razza, meaning, "people of common decent".
I think Daniel would prefer it if we were all just members of a nation, from the Lation "nationem", meaning "nation, stock, or race".

It appears that Daniel's biggest beef is just over words. Perhaps if the NCLR would change its name to the national council for the advancement of hispanic people, he would feel better?

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Bobkatt said...

El Razon-as far a La Raza being a privately funded organization-
by Rep. Charlie Norwood
Posted Apr 07, 2006
Exclusive: The Truth About 'La Raza'
But the National Council of La Raza succeeded in raking in over $15.2 million in federal grants last year alone, of which $7.9 million was in U.S. Department of Education grants for Charter Schools, and undisclosed amounts were for get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions.
The Council of La Raza succeeded in having itself added to congressional hearings by Republican House and Senate leaders. And an anonymous senator even gave the Council of La Raza an extra $4 million in earmarked taxpayer money, supposedly for "housing reform," while La Raza continues to lobby the Senate for virtual open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens.

As far as them not being racist you're known by the company you keep.
The National Council of La Raza and its allies in public office make no repudiation of the radical MEChA and its positions. In fact, as recently as 2003, La Raza was actively funding MEChA, according to federal tax records.
As Miguel Perez of Cal State-Northridge's MEChA chapter has been quoted as saying: "The ultimate ideology is the liberation of Aztlan. Communism would be closest [to it]. Once Aztlan is established, ethnic cleansing would commence: Non-Chicanos would have to be expelled -- opposition groups would be quashed because you have to keep power."
Double Hmmmmm.

el razonador said...

Bobkatt -- completely failed to address the question which is whether it is fair to brand the NCLR a "racist" organization when there are hundreds of other privately funded organizations that are similarly designed to promote the well-being of a specific ethnic or racial background.

If NCLR was successful in receiving federal grants, well then shame on the federal government, I guess, not NCLR, as no one forced the feds to give those grants. Besides, private non-profits and public interest groups receive federal monies all the time, a fact that does not make them necessarily federally funded programs. Moreover, your argument is a slippery slope that could lead one to logically conclude that large pharmaceutical corporations are federally funded because they have a powerful lobby that can persuade the federal government to make decisions the financially benefit their bottom lines.

Further, why do you insist on defining a mainstream organization like NCLR by a fringe sessessionist like Perez? By publicly disavowing those sentiments would only give their radical - and unrealizable - objectives more weight and attention than they rightly deserve. You'll find nothing at NLCR's website suggesting such motives, so you must be peddling in conspiracy theories. Moreover, sessessionist movements are sorely lacking in foot soldiers, as studies show that the "Americanization" of immigrants and their children occurs rapidly. Statistically, there's no sign of strong-willed ethnic separatism of the sort that you hard-righties so fear. Sure, Daniel will continue to post his carefully selected pictures and anecdotes supporting his misfound fear of cultural degradation, but he will never be able to find hard data in the form of public opinion or social surveys that support his misguided ire...for such data do not exist.

Lastly, since you're judged by the company you keep, I guess I can then label you a racist for you keep "cyber company" with the racist barber Bruce, who infamously lamented that the country is getting a little too Hispanic for his taste. See how that works.


R Huse said...

O k – This has got to be the easiest argument to counter ever posted on a blog:

Question – why is it reasonable to call La Raza racist while not calling the United Negro College Fund et. al. racist.

The answer is – when the company one keeps is openly racist, are they called to task by their peers?

When LaRaza holds a demonstration, there are plenty of racist banners held up, not at one protest but at many. We have seen pictures of this on this very blog. While it might be unfair to judge by the company one keeps, it certainly implies much if that company is continually received with open arms.

To counter a previous writers argument:

It would be illogical to judge the American military by a few bad soldiers. The American military seems to make a reasonable effort to bring them to justice. LaRaza makes no effort to weed out racist members, discourage racist banners at its events or affiliate with clearly racist groups like MeCHA.

That is the difference, and that is why La Raza could reasonably be judged a racist organization.

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Anonymous said...

It doesn't matter if other organizations do the same thing that "La Reza" does, it's still racist. The other organizations are racist too. Anything that promotes exclusive opportunities to a certain race, or superiority of a certain race, regardless of which race it is his racist.

Why can't we just be legal citizens that just happen to be black, or just happen to be white, or just happen to be Hispanic, or just happen to be Asian, or whatever other races are out there? As long as you're an American and you love this country don't care what color your skin is. Oh yeah, and you don't ask for special privileges because your ancestors were oppressed.

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah, Mr. el razonador, where did you get that quote from Samuel Austin? I've been searching for the primary document for ever. It's amazing how different the actual document is when you read it in context. It's totally different than what my history book says.