Saturday, September 09, 2006

It's NOT Miller time

Boycott Miller Beer / Miller Brewing Co. for Supporting Illegal Aliens and Illegal Immigration!

Miller Brewing Company of Milwaukee, WI, producers of the popular beer Miller Genuine Draft, has given at least $30,000 to groups that support illegal aliens and illegal immigration so they can march down our city streets making demands of Americans. Here are the news reports about this beer maker's deplorable activity by Miller Brewing Company.

18 comments:

el razonador said...

Daniel - Never thought I would be commending you, but I do, for your effort to focus your attention on a powerful entity in our society that benefits an elite few who exploit undocumented labor at the expense of the overwhelming majority of those residing in this country "legally" or "illegally".

At the same time, I have to ask. In your support of HR4437 do you advocate for the jailing of executives of Miller for up to 5 years, as specified by the bill and simultaneously advocate for my imprisonment for my Sunday volunteer work, described in an earlier post?

MAX Redline said...

Already posted on that, a while back. BTW - Miller also owns Henry Weinhard - among a small slew of other names, such as "Olde English". Bottom line: watch what you buy, if you purchase beer or malt products.

Best bet: Buy local, such as Widmer, Portland Brewing, and other craft brewers.

Bobkatt said...

As posted earlier, they also make:
Miller- Lite, Lite Ice, Genuine Draft, Genuine Draft Light, High Life, High Life Light.
Sharp's (non-alcholic)
Hamm's, Beer, Golden Draft, Special Light.
Plankroad Brewery Family-Icehouse 5.0, Icehouse 5.5, Red Dog, SouthPaw Light.
Schlitz.
Magnum Malt Liquor.
Old English 800, 800 7.5, High Gravity 800.
Milwaukee's Best, Best Ice, Best Light.
Mickey's- Fine Malt Liquor, Ice, Stinger.
Henry Weinhard's family-Private Reserve, Blue Boar Pale Ale, Hefeweizen, Northwest Trail Blonde Lager, Classic Dark Lager.
Foster's Lager, Foster's Special Bitter.
Peroni Nastro Azzurro.
Pilsner Urquell.
Sheaf Stout.

el razonador said...

It's all swill anyway. I brew my own.

Bobkatt said...

El Razon:
I can't speak for Daniel but in my view you can't punish someone for breaking a law that doesn't exist yet. But the frustration that most of us have with the current situation is that the current laws are ignored and even flaunted. We wouldn't need any immigration reform if the current laws were upheld. The very fact that this has been allowed for 30 years is the reason we are even having this discussion. If the border states would have insisted that the Federal government inforce the borders we wouldn't have to debate on what to do with 20 million illegals here. No debate on anchor babies, families being broken up, which ones come here "just to work" and which ones are smuggling drugs, how much they add to or take from our financial system.
We have laws for a reason, some good and some not so good. Don't blame us for seeing value in those laws and frustration that they are ignored by the very people that should enforce them.
There are many of us that see this situation as the largest turning point in America's history since the civil war. To continue down this road of unchecked immigration, open borders and the merging of Mexico, Canada and the U.S. into one country as the end of America. It is not an issue of debate such as abortion, freedom of speech or gay marriages. It is the end of America as a sovereign independant nation.
I personally consider this to be the most important issue of our times, one that is connected to all the other issues of terrorism, government spending, health care, schools, civil rights, etc. I will not vote for anyone that doesn't take on this issue with equal urgency, yes, even if it means another 4 years of sleepy Ted. Stand up and be counted or go away.

MAX Redline said...

It's all swill anyway. I brew my own.

As do I. I suspect, however, that you'll run out and buy cases of Miller product. After all, they're supporting your agenda.

el razonador said...

Max - not true.

Chris Pieschel said...

I wrote an email to Miller last week when this all came out, and today I got a response:

Thanks for contacting us.

Miller Brewing Company has never supported illegal immigration and we have always supported the full enforcement of current U.S. laws. Miller did not sponsor the Labor Day immigration march held in Chicago. Going forward, Miller will closely review all requests for support from community and charitable organizations to ensure that we are not indirectly funding or associating our name with advocacy efforts on the immigration issue. We plan to stick to the business of brewing, marketing and selling great beer.

We appreciate your interest.

el razonador said...

bobkatt - I couldn't disagree with your analysis more. But, we have plenty of time to debate this issue. On a somewhat different front, perhaps Daniel can respond to my queries on his own? Yes?

Daniel, I'm all ears? Have been, as previous posts attest.

Daniel said...

El, if employers are breaking the law then I absolutely support punishment including imprisonment. Using illegal labor is like using stolen goods.

As for your volunteer work, do you knowingly assist criminals? I commend anyone for helping out in the community but I would be opposed to people helping someone with a warrant out for their arrest, hide stolen property, etc.

Mike Mayhem said...

Hey Daniel, I saw a video from one of your protests of you committing a crime... your opinion is moot.

Bobkatt said...

El Razon: Sorry, I didn't realize that I needed an invite. Obviously you have a thing for Daniel so I'll back off. As far as debating with you, don't bother. You know my position and I can see that we a diametrically opposed on most issues. Carry on.

Scottiebill said...

Elrazon says that all beer is swill and that he brews his own. I guess he would be absolutely certain what is swill since he brews his own.

Scottiebill said...

Chris 4:41 - At least you got a response from Miller. I emailed them a couple of weeks ago that I was boycotting their products and got no response at all. Not even after I told them I was going to buy either Bud or Coors.

Scottiebill said...

Hey Bobkatt: Glad to see you refusing to debate Elrazonador. You apparently do not want to go into a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

MAX Redline said...

Elrazon says that all beer is swill and that he brews his own. I guess he would be absolutely certain what is swill since he brews his own.

Hey! Scottie, that's uncalled for! I don't have any problem with calling elraz on the issues, but in this case, he simply noted that Bobkatt's list of beers is all swill - and it is.

I can't speak for elraz, but I brew mine because (a) it's kind of fun, and (b) I can control everything that goes into it (and hence, what emerges as product). Personally, I like a brew that's heavy on the hops - and Oregon produces some of the best in the world.

There are many reasons to disagree with elraz on issues, but it ain't fair to beat up on him because he homebrews and -like me - considers many commercial brews swill.

el razonador said...

Max - thanks. As for brewing, yes, it's great fun. I'm big on the hops as well. And yes, Oregon has some of the best around. One thing I find hard about travelling, not only in the U.S., but internationally, is that we are absolutely spoiled here by what it is on tap.

Scottie and Bobkatt - my biggest beef when it comes to debating issues is when someone fails to address glaring contradiction in their own position...it's intellectually ingenuous to do so. However, unlike you, I don't make personal attacks on people simply for disagreeing with me. If my posts sound somewhat harsh at times, perhaps it's all just part of the fray, but I never go after someone personally, only their argument.

Back to the more important topic, beer. All the big brewers long ago realized that microbrews are a superior product, and have been trying to muscle in on the market, not by improving their own product, but by taking over the smaller more local operations. By chance, I ended up drinking with Mac Mctarnahan (who has since passed) and his son at a bar in Cannon Beach. They said that bud and miller are working agressively to take over many of the local breweries. I think they sold out to Red Hook (could be wrong, we were drinking lots of Macs). I believe Widmer has also been bought out. Not sure about bridgeport. Anyway, if you're inclined to keep local brewers in business, you may want to inquire as to who owns what, because I'm quite certain that some of the bigger local outfits have been taken over.

Max - the Old Lompoc on NW 23rd and Savier has two fantastic IPAs. They sell jugs to go.

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