Monday, September 25, 2006

"All" means "Mexico"

The governor is ready to take care of "his" kids. Saying in a press release today that "We’re the adults in the world" he is planning on providing health care coverage for just about everyone. And I do mean everyone.

His plan is the "Healthy Kids" plan and this is from a recent report regarding said plan and who gets to participate:

“All is all” –all kids, with immigration status irrelevant.

Irrevelevant to your utopia maybe but there is that tiny matter of the law to take into consideration...

24 comments:

Sue K. said...

How about the other tiny matter of who gets to pay for this??? Let me guess......law-abiding taxpayers! Politicians like Teddy K don't care how much weight they pile on our backs. That is why I hope come November, he is outta there!!

Max said...

This is the seventh tax increase that Ted's got behind in the past four years. But who's counting?

Anonymous said...

Could be worse. At least we have a dipshit neo-liberal president - the first in the history of the country NOT to raise taxes during war time.

Sue, your additional tax burden to provide health care to children pales in comparison to the cost of the war and certainly in comparison to the price we all pay as the administration - and federal government in general - watches the national economy hemorrhage jobs off-shore.

But we can't blame the government for that, can we? Hell, it's just the free market doing what the free market does. If you're a free market proponent, I suggest not bitching.

Anonymous said...

November!

Imagine big grin Teddy in a Blue Vest with smiley face and all welcoming shoppers to enjoy their $4 prescriptions.

HMIL said...

And exactly how does he plan to propose this to "all" children "regardless of immigration status" when the DHS is scrounging around like rats to try to find ways to get sufficient documentation for illegals to receive benefits to which they are not (now) legally entitled. How will they be entitled to this insurance for "all" children "regardless of immigration status" if they're not legally entitled to receive it?

The man talks out of both sides of his mouth, there's no doubt about it!

Sue K. said...

anonymous 7:00 pm - Teddy K needs to get a little more creative than to keep raising taxes "for all kids" health insurance or assessing fees on auto insurance for additional state police or whatever his pet project of the week is. How about he take a good hard look to find things that can be scaled back or cut all together? Priorities! I thought he was going to operate within the state's budget. I'm not happy with our federal gov't either regarding the cost of war or American jobs going overseas and south. I'm also not happy with our dipshit governments' (local, state and federal) inaction on illegal immigration. I have a right to bitch but it doesn't do any good. No one listens.

Anonymous said...

if you voted for W and you're not up-in-arms about the federal deficit, then I don't think you should be complaining about Kulongoski. W is a FUCKING MORON! Federal deficit, war going on = tax cuts!?! I was raised Republican, indoctrinated really. This is not Republican. We're fucked if this is our party.

Bruce said...

As usual..."all means all". Illegals first and foremost will benefit from this at our expense

Anonymous said...

Add to the fact that most Illegal Aliens are Hispanic and they have a much higher rate of Diabetes, Cancer, Heart disease and Alcoholoism.

Also add that Hispanic families have an average of 2 times as many kids.

TED is buying the Hispanic vote with OUR money and we will all pay disproportinately for it!

el razonador said...

Anon 9:01 -- Your two factoids are utter bs. Are you making this crap up, or would you mind providing the source of your knowledge?

"Add to the fact that most Illegal Aliens are Hispanic and they have a much higher rate of Diabetes, Cancer, Heart disease and Alcoholoism."

Really? Native-born or foreign-born? Are you speaking of Cubans, Mexicans, Guatemalans, Dominicans, Salvadorans, or just all Hispanics? You obviously have never heard of the Latino Health Paradox. Researchers find that despite lingering at the bottom of the socioeconomic hierarchy, Latino immigrants are amazingly healthier than their SES would predict, far healthier than similarly situated native-born populations. Their health only deteriorates to native-born levels with time spent in the US (i.e., as they acculturate into our obese national culture). Google it if you care to read more.

"Also add that Hispanic families have an average of 2 times as many kids."

Again, really? Which Hispanic families are you talking about? Compared to whom?

Do you make this stuff up?

Scottiebill said...

Anon 10:36-Are you capable of composing a single sentence without using the f-bomb?

I didn't think so.

Anonymous said...

Scottiebill - As Dick Cheney once said, go "fuck yourself"!

Do you agree with me that the Republican party has strayed miles off course from the Reagan years, and it's just my language you have a problem with? Sorry!

It's fuckin' politics. Deal with it. If you have something to say, say it.

Anon 10:36

Anonymous said...

El Razonador,

Allow me to respond for Anon 9:01 according the CDC:

Ten Leading Causes of death in the U.S. in 2002 for Hispanics or Latinos:

1. Heart disease
2. Cancer
3. Unintentional injuries
4. Stroke
5. Diabetes
6. Chronic liver disease and Cirrhosis
7. Homicide
8. Chronic lower respiratory disease
9. Pneumonia and Influenza
10. Birth defects

You don't want me to go there regarding how many children they have compared to other races because I can slam dunk you on that one to.

Go ahead and look it up yourself if you feel the need to. Just google "Health Statistics for Hispanics"

Anonymous said...

El Razonador,

Allow me to respond for Anon 9:01 according the CDC:

Ten Leading Causes of death in the U.S. in 2002 for Hispanics or Latinos:

1. Heart disease
2. Cancer
3. Unintentional injuries
4. Stroke
5. Diabetes
6. Chronic liver disease and Cirrhosis
7. Homicide
8. Chronic lower respiratory disease
9. Pneumonia and Influenza
10. Birth defects

You don't want me to go there regarding how many children they have compared to other races because I can slam dunk you on that one to.

Go ahead and look it up yourself if you feel the need to. Just google "Health Statistics for Hispanics"

el razonador said...

anon 3:02 -- I'm sure that anon 9:01 is grateful that you have come to his aid - a real. No doubt you are a solidary member of your anonymous club.

However, what have you demonstrated besides the 10 leading causes of Latinos? I can assure you that on average, and controlling for educational attainment, Hispanic immigrants are healthier than their native-born counterparts, hence the "Latino health paradox" that has generated much attention as of late. Signs of unhealthiness in the Latino population only emerge among the native-born, or those who have lived here for decades. I was simply calling your anonymous associate on his faulty logic. Most illegal immigrants are Hispanic. Hispanics are of poorer health (and by extension, a burden on the health care system). Thus, we need to restrict illegal Hispanic immigration. Leaving aside the illegal argument (doubtful on this blog) anon's conclusions don't follow logically, becuase, as is widely noted, Hispanic immigrants are a surprisingly healthy population.

As for the fertility issue, I'll grant that Hispanic populations likely have larger families. However, I'm not sure whether they have higher fertility rates than impoverished persons of other racial and ethnic groups. Why don't you produce the numbers so we can have a look? I'm more interested in dealing with facts, and therefore, don't mind being "slam dunked" as you say.

Anonymous said...

Hey El,

Okay here you go according to the US Census (of which please remember that most Hispanics do not participate in) the percentage of children compared to White Non-Hispanics are as follows:

Children 0-4
5.2% Males (Hispanic) 5.1 Females (Hispanic) compared to 3.1% Males (White) and 2.9% Females (White)

Children 5-9
5.1% Males (Hispanic) 4.9% Females (Hispanic) compared to 3.2% Males (White) and 3.0% Females (White)

Children 10-14
4.8% Males (Hispanic) 4.5% Females (Hispanic) compared to 3.4% Males (White) and 3.3% Females (White)

Children 15-19
4.3% Males (Hispanic) 4.0% Females (Hispanic)compared to 3.3% Males (White) and 3.2% Females (White).

Since the majority of the Hispanics in this country are Mexican and most Mexican's are Catholics and do not believe in birth control there birth rates are statistically higher, also it is more profitable to them to have more babies in the US to receive aid this is also proven if you look at the welfare system.

Sorry but the facts do not lie however I do respect that fact that you responded to my blog and wish to have an intelligent debate about this.

el razonador said...

anon -- first of all:

"Okay here you go according to the US Census (of which please remember that most Hispanics do not participate in)"

Do you really expect me to take this assertion seriously? The 2000 census is considered by demographers as the most accurate count in the history of American census taking. That their projections prior to 2000 were surprisingly low was attributed in part to the greater than expected participation of what are considered marginal populations (undocumented, poor, homeless, etc). To say that "most Hispanics don't participate in the census" is a baseless fabrication.

Let's just return to your anonymous associate's original claims. A) Illegal Hispanic immigrants (but presumably all hispanic immigrants) are less healthy relative to the population at large. Patently false. In response, you trotted out the 10 leading causes of death for Latinos? B) Latinos have more kids. Perhaps, but you provide statistics showing that the Hispanic population, is on average, younger than the white population. This is no surprise, given that the age structure of our population resembles nearly every other industrialized nation with an immigrant minority. Labor migrants are needed, not just in the U.S., but in Italy, Germany, Japan, and so on, because the native-born populations in those countries are so damn old (e.g., baby boomers). To further compound things, better educated persons (i.e., often the native-born majority) tend to have fewer children, and hence do not produce the native-born labor sufficient to drive the economy.

If you're going to make a restricitionist argument fine. But don't make things up just to support your position.

And while we're at it, maybe someone could clarify this for me, as I've never understood how the restrictionist argument plays out, rationally. As I understand it, it is quite simple. Illegals are here illegally. Deport them. Or, as Daniel says, "we just need to follow the laws we already have". But doesn't the fact that undocumented immigrants participate in the labor force at exceptionally high rates suggest that it is the current laws that are out of sorts, and that they ought to be adjusted to fit labor demand? To date, I've seen no compelling argument or evidence that even comes close to convincing me that all of the work in this country can get done with the existing legal labor force (i.e., without a guest worker program). I think it is highly unlikely that the native-born labor force can be enticed into the occupations currently filled by the undocumented. For one, we are a credential society. The opportunity/transaction costs are simply too high for any native-born person seeking upwardly mobile employment to leave educational or training pursuits just to do the nation's dirty work.

The economic times have changed, and your plan is a pipe dream. Don't beat your heads against the wall too hard when, after the elections of course, some form of guest-worker plan is passed. I've read and studied widely in this area, and societally and economically, I don't see how there's any other way to sustain the economy. But, as always, I'm open to contrarian evidence...

Anonymous said...

As I sat outside the county health clinic tonight watching a family of Mexicans getting into their minivan with 5 kids in tow, I finally realized how this immigration battle will end.

It is all over folks. I realized that what is happening is besides some politicians, mainly republicans, making noises about border security, etc., most do not want to do anything about it for reasons unknown.

So what is really going on is that these corrupt politicians are basically just waiting for the baby boomer generation to die off. The boomers and people older can remember what the US was like before mass illegal immigration and that is why they are fighting so hard to stop it.

It is the younger generations, "Gen X" and younger who have been raised on diversity and been beaten into submission regarding cultural sensitivity and all of that hogwash, that will just let the invasion happen without raising objections.

So once the older folks either give up or just eventually die off, the liberals and the corrupt repubs can have their cheap labor and new voter bloc. And all memories of the "old ways" will have be forgotten.

el razonador said...

Senor Daniel et al. - Do you have a retort to my questions regarding the economic ramifications of your restrictionist agenda? I'm not picking a fight here. I'm simply interested in better understanding how your plan can possibly play out, economically, because at this point, I don't.

Scottiebill said...

Anon 2:12 - I will not dignify your f-bomb aimed at me with a response except to say that it shows your level of maturity. One could expect that stuff from a 14-year-old but not from a supposedly mature adult.

As for the Republican party having strayed off course from the Reagan years, of course it has. But the Democrat party used to be a party of honor and integrity during the years of FDR and Harry Truman. But it, too, has strayed off course in far more than the Republicans, beginning with the fiasco known as the "Carter presidency". Now it is nothing more than a party of hatred toward the opposition, obfuscation of facts, and corruption of and by the left-wing media. The Democrats of today have nothing in their agenda except bringing down the Bush administration by any means available. And if that means irrevocably damaging our national security by systematically "leaking" classified information, their attitude is "So be it".

el razonador said...

Daniel - cat got your tongue (again)? Not one of you can step up and explain how the restrictionist policies you so strongly support are economically viable? Sounds like a fool's errand to me.

Anonymous said...

This is the opening to socialized medicine in Oregon, which will bankrupt this state without 100% federal subsidy. I am already trying to move out of this state. Universal health care with a massive tax increase that attracts out-of-staters, particularly illegals, will likely be the last straw for me. You cannot go it alone in this arena. The poor will inundate the State and drain our resources. They already do this. So many poor people have moved from the South to CA just to get the "bigger" welfare check. Etc.

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