So where does vandalism and graffiti fit into the "tolerance" platform that the left always preaches? Where does attacking the Minutemen founder while he is trying to give a speech fit into tolerance? Where does shouting me down at carousels of information/day labor sites while I am trying to have a conversation with someone fit into tolerance?
Or is it the position of the liberals that tolerance is a one-way street?
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Tolerance from the means "Resistance is futile" you will be absorbed into the "Collective." If you resist, there will be "Re-education camps" (also known as public schools) but only if you fail to submit and agree with their moral relativist,Democrat,socialist, communist worldview.
CRY BABY, is this all you have---attack the opposition? do you have anything positive to say!!
No. Tolerence is Bill O'Reilly screaming down your throat when you have something valid to say.
So, anon ... you are OK with us vandalizing Demo campaign signs?
"Or is it the position of the liberals..."
There's no such thing as "the liberals" in terms of having a position. There's no such thing as "the left" in terms of having a platform. We're talking about a philosophy, not an ideology, not a religion, not a party. Our country is not so conveniently black and white. To invoke "the liberals" or "the left" is to pretend that one - one person, one organization, one institution, one party, one President, one statement, one act - represents all. It doesn't. I'm talking about literally hundreds of millions of individuals for whom the term "liberal" is simply not the sum of all their beliefs and ideas.
Are there trends? Yes. Patterns? Yes. Do stupid adolescent delinquents tend to be liberal rather than conservative? Mhm. Does one Kulongoski supporter spraypainting an overgrown lawn sign mean that liberals support vandalism? That's the logical equivalent of the easy way out. There are absolutes and principles in this world but they lie a lot deeper than that.
And for your sake, I hope you don't think there's no place for tolerance in conservatives' lives... though that would, I have to say, explain some things...
I just received my ballot this morning and I was not going to vote, but now that I have seen this; I will vote for Saxton!
Notice the left dodging the issue? What does O'Reilly have to do with this sign? Moral relativism, that's what. Scum.
ANON902
Attack the opposition? Hardly. I believe that the facts speak for themselves.
Followers of the party that portrays themselves as a bastion of tolerance are, indisputably, among the least tolerant of anyone in the USA.
...resisting...resisting the urge to respond to anon... I CAN'T DO IT!
Anon 6:10
A) My origional post was full of satire. Did you catch that?
B) Did you read kaelri's post? I think that explaines it for you.
C) Your creation of the politically liberal institution (I think Kaelri covered this already) allowes you to incriminate it however you would like. However, your attempt to classify those who hold different beleifs than those of mainstream political conservatism as intolerent is fallic in that the group itself is to diverse to classify under such a broad generalization. Your argument is just as illogical as someone's argument that all republican leaders are homosexual child molesters on account of one politician.
D) Is the fact that O'Reilly epitomizing that which you are accusing the "liberals" of so threatening that you must resort to name calling?
E) Is there anyone on this blog that has any idea of what moral relativism actually is?
Kaelri:
Yes, there is a position called "modern liberal". It is the position you take. It is the wrong position, especially when you're defending despicable vandals who are going to be utterly defeated when Saxton wins the governorship.
Where does vandalism and graffiti fit into the "tolerance" platform that the left always preaches?
Great question. It doesn't. One person probably did this on their own.
Now, where does molesting children fit into "Family Values" of the party that claims to love children (a little too much maybe)? Many, many have done this and the Republican Party leadership continues to try and cover it up.
What is worse a little paint on a sign or the raping of our children? Funny there is no outrage about that out of you Repugs.
The newest:
* Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
The ever growing list:
* Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.
* Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.
* Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
* Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
* Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.
* Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.
* Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
* Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.
* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
* Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.
* Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.
* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
* Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
* Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
* Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
* Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.
* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
* Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.
* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
* Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
* Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.
* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
* Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.
* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
* Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.
So Anon ...
Do you want a list of all Democratic candidate lawbreaking as well?
I'm sure I can create a bigger list by word searching lists of felons for the word "Democrat".
I don't know but one of the persons listed in your republican rant. Who are these people? BTW: That Rummy comment is made up.
Thanks for use of the pic Daniel. Is that the one on Cedar Hills Blvd and Barnes? If it's not there's a defaced one there, too.
And as long as we're complaining let's not forget the slashed tires for the GOP get out the vote vans (by the son of a democrat lawmaker of all people), the defaced, spray painted cars in NE Portland, the shattered window at the GOP HQ in MultCo. Gosh, what else?
brayin' saxton,
Try to stay on subject.
To paraphrase James Carville: It's the hypocrisy, stupid.
and...
I don't know about moral relativism or "satire", but both your origional post and your subsequent post are "full of" spelling relativism; and a neologism - fallic.
Hooked on phonics, are we?
Sniper #1:
"Yes, there is a position called 'modern liberal'. It is the position you take. It is the wrong position, especially when you're defending despicable vandals who are going to be utterly defeated when Saxton wins the governorship."
- My previous post covered the matter of the label.
- You don't have to tell me that you think it's "the wrong position." It goes without saying that one considers any position different from one's own to be wrong.
- The probability of either candidate's victory in the coming election is irrelevant to this discussion.
- I have to wonder why someone who thinks mere vandalism is "despicable" would choose a screenname that identifies himself with he terrorists. Why do you hate America?
BotoxBimbo says,
That Rummy comment is made up.
So says you, the Republican shill. Everything you say is made-up.
* Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.
At least they can spell.
That's the best you can do ricky? I do appologize for the neologism (I'm running on 3 hours of sleep because of a research paper), but you have yet to prove me wrong.
At least they spelled the name right. Saxton can't even get the correct spelling of his own name on his campaign lit. How embarrassing!
anon506
You're right. But, knowing their limitations, the punks just use three-letter words.
bryan,
Satire isn't all you're comments are full of. Sloppy spelling just makes me wonder what other details you might find unimportant enough to not learn.
I'll "prove you wrong" when you actually make a substantive statement.
Here you are, then. From Bryan's post:
"C) Your creation of the politically liberal institution (I think Kaelri covered this already) allowes you to incriminate it however you would like. However, your attempt to classify those who hold different beleifs than those of mainstream political conservatism as intolerent is fallic in that the group itself is to diverse to classify under such a broad generalization. Your argument is just as illogical as someone's argument that all republican leaders are homosexual child molesters on account of one politician.
"D) Is the fact that O'Reilly epitomizing that which you are accusing the "liberals" of so threatening that you must resort to name calling?
"E) Is there anyone on this blog that has any idea of what moral relativism actually is?"
"bryan,
Satire isn't all you're comments are full of. Sloppy spelling just makes me wonder what other details you might find unimportant enough to not learn.
I'll "prove you wrong" when you actually make a substantive statement."
I know, I know, I'm supposed to be writing my research paper instead of posting this, but that's really weak, rick. Are you upset that I may be right (trying to provoke a response...)
The post was about the hypocrisy of the left. The point is that the "tolerance" issue is a favorite of theirs. The juxtaposition of the vandalized sign and the professed belief in "tolerance" by the left points out their hypocrisy.
Say one thing and do another.
Demand others follow the rules and break them yourself.
Preach "tolerance" and demonstrate intolerance.
Bill O'Reilly has nothing to do with the post. He's an entertainer. There's absolutely NO parallel between his sometimes rude treatment of people who willingly call his program and the vandalism of campaign signs. O'Reilly is abrasive, and proud of it. He doesn't pretend to be anything else than what he is. Love him or hate him - it's beside the point.
...and kaelri,
your attempted disconnection of "the left" or "liberals" from any sort of characterization that might open them to valid criticism is amusing, but just a deflection.
Just like bryan's moral relativism comment.
The left's embracing of moral relativism is pervasive. It's what differentiates "left" from "right". It's what allows liberals to vandalize signs and justify the action by saying that "Saxton is bad - Kulongoski is good" therefore I am advancing good. Which leaves out of the moral calculation any responsibility for the "bad" part. The key is that these calculations are subjective. Subject to variables such as: good/bad for me/us, good/bad now but maybe not later, good/bad if I/we get caught or not.
Here's your problem, Ricky: you're saying that both the "tolerance platform" and this vandalism are the actions of "the left," therefore "the left" is hypocritical. But we're not talking about the same people. "The left" isn't an organization.
(I'll remind you again: the pack referred to around here as "the left" consists of a couple hundred million people. And lemme tell you, if we could somehow get the entire "left" to walk in a line, life would be a whole lot simpler.)
To put it another way: painting that sign was not an act of leftism or liberalism. It was an act of vandalism. It was probably done by a liberal, yes, but not just because he was a liberal, but because he was a liberal vandal. People have, y'know, multiple dimensions. "Liberal" is not the definition of a human being.
Now, if there were, say, a huge wave of Republican lawn sign maimings, then you might have a case. If it were supported by a number of major left-leaning institutions, then you might even be justified in calling it a de facto policy. But there's not. Daniel used one, one example (without providing a shred of context, I might add) to categorically accuse a group of people, larger than some countries' populations, of ideological hypocrisy. I hate to disillusion you, but people genuinely don't like vandalism, and if someone was actually skeptical enough to put out a poll on that, you'd find that the vast majority of Americans fundamentally oppose crime regardless of political leanings.
Ricky-
Wow. You could really benefit from a course in political institutions.
Also, if you're going to harp on my gramer, then avoid using fragments.
"Just like bryan's moral relativism comment," is not a sentence by itself. This reveals your hypocrisy in more than one way.
Anyway...
Again, you attempt to classify the left as a collective when in fact... nevermind. I keep forgetting you like to ignore that part. I particularly find it amusing you attempt to pass off what you cannot argue against as a "deflection." (By the way, "Which leaves out of the moral calculation any responsibility for the "bad" part," is another fragment. To think you accused me of having bad grammar).
"Demand others follow the rules and break them yourself."
None of us have made this claim. You assume too much.
"The post was about the hypocrisy of the left. The point is that the 'tolerance' issue is a favorite of theirs. The juxtaposition of the vandalized sign and the professed belief in "tolerance" by the left points out their hypocrisy."
Following this argument, one could assume that all Republicans are hypocrits and child molestors because of the actions of one man (not an argument I advocate).
I said: "The post was about the hypocrisy of the left. The point is that the 'tolerance' issue is a favorite of theirs. The juxtaposition of the vandalized sign and the professed belief in "tolerance" by the left points out their hypocrisy."
You say:
"None of us have made this claim. You assume too much.one of us have made this claim. You assume too much."
I only assumed you read the original post which was obviously "too much".
Which is it, bryan...
gramer or grammer?
You obviously wouldn't know and don't get it - I should have known.
kaelri,
To put it another way: painting that sign was not an act of leftism or liberalism. It was an act of vandalism. It was probably done by a liberal, yes,...
To both of you...
I rest your case.
Well, if the best you can do is to take an incomplete quote out of context and call it evidence, then I'm happy to let it rest...
No lefty here has answered my question ... "is it OK with you that I start vandalizing Democrat candidates' signs?"
If not, then, after your spirited defense of this vandalism, why not?
Would your answer be this moral relativism thing again? comparing an abrasive radio personality to committing an act of vandalism? Or using some other politician's bad behavior to justify an act of vandalism against someone else?
None of the comments on this page have defended this vandalism.
My answer to your question is "no."
Haha! My guess is that the guy who does this lame ass blog did it so he could post it as the non issue that it is.
Thank, you kaelri.
I was kinda wondering if anyone had bothered to read Daniel's original post.
The first and last questions submitted by Daniel's post are exactly what we've been talking about here.
Very nice! I like it. technology in cell phones
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