Tuesday, October 03, 2006

Oregon: defending against nuclear raioactivity and people driving their cars to work

Legislatively Adopted Performance Measures, 2005-07
(View as HTML with Google, search term highlighted)
Agency Mission: The Mission Of The ODOE Is To Ensure Oregon Has An Adequate Supply Of Reliable And Affordable Energy And Is Safe From Nuclear Contamination, By Helping Oregonians Save Energy, Develop Clean Energy Resources, Promote Renewable Energy And Clean Up Nuclear Waste.

Coming in a close second is...
OBM #70 - Percent of Oregonians who commute during peak hours by means other than a single occupancy vehicle.

I know that I view people who drive to work to be as big a threat, if not bigger, than nuclear contamination. And who among us wouldn't tolerate some rolling blackouts if ODOE needs to spend some money and manpower getting people out of their cars?

In the spirit of liberal conspiracies (Katrina, Halliburton, etc) I am starting to think that Kulongoski is part of a plan to tax and regulate business out of Oregon simply to keep people from having somewhere to drive during peak commute hours.

NOTE: using my Google search term site:oregon.gov "single occupancy" yields the same thing over and over: the folks in government are desperate to stop you from driving to work!


dchamil said...

Off Topic: Q: What part of illegal don't they understand? A: All of it!

Anonymous said...

Q: What part of "cutting off employers' supply to low-skilled, currently undocumented, immigrant labor will sink the economy" don't nativists understand?

A: All of it.

Anonymous said...

Q: What does GOP stand for?

A: Gay Organization of Pedophiles.

Hey, look on the bright side. Now Repubs are a shoe-in for the coveted NAMBLA vote!

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:07,

Grow up.


I use to enjoy the debate on this blog but you got some real losers wanting to post now. So much for intelligent debates.

Kristopher said...

I want a Nuclear Powered SUV.

Then the greenies really can lump my driving habits in with the nuclear power debate.

el razonador said...

Anon 1:37 -

"I use to enjoy the debate on this blog but you got some real losers wanting to post now. So much for intelligent debates."

I can assure you that the blogging constiuency here, by and large, is not interested in an intelligent debate on anything insofar as that entails the careful examination of rational argumentation constructed on the basis of reliable data and empirical evidence. I've tried, to no avail...my most recent posts are poignant examples of this

Anonymous said...

Well, anybody that knows just a little bit about things knows that nuclear power is one of the cleanest energy-production methods (obviously, solar is cleaner in the long run, but the production of the electronic components needed to produce enough solar panels to produce the same power as a nuclear power plant is quite poluding). As for single ocupancy commuting, America is producing somewhere around 30% of the world's carbon monoxide emision. 30%!! All other countries in the world are suffering the consequences of american excesive driving and excesively big cars. I personally find that not only irrespectful to human kind, but just plain embarrasing. It's about time to put a stop to that.


PS.: El razonador, glad to see you're still around. Your posts on "You hate me..." were fantastic.

Max said...

Governmental policies have allowed, since 1970, for population growth in the USA by over 30 million. Government policies are currently allowing, by Border Patrol estimates, as many as 3.5 million illegal aliens per year across the southern border alone.

The impacts are huge: wages decline as the glut of "workers" negates the impetus for employers to provide middle class wages and benefits.

The effects upon infrastructure, air pollution, water quality, and other environmental measures are uniformly negative.

The only way that governmental "planners" can see out of the mess created by governmental policies is through density.

Mass transit, mass lifestyle. Forget about the typical American dream of a single family dwelling with a nice yard, and forget about driving anywhere.

When was the last time you heard a politician say, "You know, I think we really screwed up, here"?

The Meek said...

El, You have not replied to my posts over the last couple of days, whatever.

I would love to sight research for you but I have none.

I think that may be because no university is going to conduct any research that could in any way look bad on illegal immigrants but, that is just my opinion.

If I had the money, I would pay for research on why the wages paid to construction workers, waiters, dishwashers, landscapers, roofers, carpenters, mill workers, vineyard workers, and farm hands have stayed so stagnant over the last 20+ years.

I would pay for research on how much houses, groceries, landscaping, restaraunt meals, wine, lumber, and a new roof would cost if wages had risen in corelation with the wages of nurses, teachers, lawyers, liscensed engineers, etc.

I beleive you when you say that your research has shown a benefit to having the current level of illegal immigrants.

I'm just wondering if they covered any of the things that really matter to blue collar folks like me.

I know that I am not a "researcher" but it sure seems odd to us simple folk that the industries who have the most non english speaking workers have had the flatest wage increases over 20-30 years.

The Meek said...

Oops. cite research.

Anonymous said...

I work for the State of Oregon and I drive all over the goddamned state. Idiots. If I didn't drive all over the place, they'd have big problems, but they don't want to tell you about that.

Robin said...

maybe we should start a business called "rent a passenger".

el razonador said...

the meek - this article recently published in the LA Times provides a nuanced look at both the good and bad of illegal immigration. I would suggest you check it out.


My general argument is that immigration is not the "cause" of flat wage growth in certain occupations. Rather, the presence of a large pool of undocumented workers and flat wage growth stem from the same causes, most which can be classified under the general rubric of globalization.

Though Daniel unquestionably heralds the virtues of capitalism, the pinch that blue collar people are feeling in this country stems from fierce global capitalist competition, that could stand a little more government regulation in my opinion. Paul Krugman wrote the following ten years ago: "In 1970 the CEO of a typical Fortune 500 coproration earned about 35 times as much as the average manufacturing employee. It would have been unthinkable to pay him 150 times the average as is now common, and downright outrageous to do so while announcing mass layoffs and cutting the real earnings of the company's workers, especially those who were paid the least to start with." That people chose to fixate on illegal immigration as the problem rather than dynamics such as these is beyond me. How can the lost taxes of illegal immigrants paid under the table compare to the lost taxes unpaid by American-based companies who locate their "headquarters" in the Cayman Islands to avoid any tax liability? These "thefts" by illegal workers pale in comparison to this type of corporate fleecing.

Anonymous said...

I remember a few years ago our company had a manditory attendance meeting (the company would be fined if less than 70% of employees showed up) on bicycle commuting forced on us by the City of Portland. We were in the Lloyd district and the presenter came from the Portland building. Being a smartass with a low tolerance for BS, I asked him how he got to this meeting - city owned automobile. No MAX, no bike - car.

Elliott said...

El Razonador,

Very poignant and insightful. And the LA Times article hit the nail on the head. It is true that the global economy as a whole is exerting far more pressure on our American economy than probably any other one factor. The benefits to consumers is generally lower prices for goods. But, with price competition comes a squeeze in the labour market. The sad realisation anymore is that the US is not as much of an economically viable provider of labour jobs as it once was. Our biggest products and greatest exports, I would hazard to guess, are culture, brands and ideas. And you can't make those in a factory.

You might find this article on immigration from Business Week interesting:

Stop by my site, if you like, and leave a brilliant comment! I love good civil discourse.

el razonador said...

I don't know how to do the linking thing on my posts. the link to the la times story was truncated. for anyone interested in reading the piece, you can go to latimes.com and search "illegal essential" and the story should come it. I think it was in sunday's on-line addition.

Bobkatt said...

El Razon- I believe this is the link you want. In order to link it to your post type:
(a href=" http://www.latimes.com/news/
Note: the parentheses are actually < and > arrows but if I typed them in here you would not be able to see the actual link, just the word link in a different color.
I usually hilite the web address and copy it in after the (a href="____web url__, then " and >.
The blog will usually tell you when you did something wrong. For me it is usually that I forgot a " mark either before or after the URL.
The word or group of words between > and (/a) will change colors on the post and be the link to your reference page.