I didn't bother going to the anti-war rally. Not even to simply photograph for the heck of it. I had more important things to deal with, such as yard work and home maintenance on Sunday.
Although I should have gone to photograph just to expose to the world the kind of people Portland has to offer. My home is my one of my top priority though.
YES! Simply by looking at them I can tell that they are all jobless and pot smokers!!!
So I guess for all you supporters of the war, what is wrong with protesting, peacefully, the war? It seems to me to be a good thing to see Democracy in action and people exercising their right to demonstrate to their government how they feel about the Iraq war.
It would have been a good day to visit the library.
That is if you wanted to spot perverts as they would be the only people there with all the other non-productives walking the streets in unison and holding misspelled banners.
Fact: The vast majority of the American people are opposed to the war in Iraq. Congratulations to Daniel for posting a photograph of a sign, held by three people, that the vast majority of those same Americans would find offensive, as if to suggest that anyone who is opposed to the war is inclined to wear black and say "Fuck the troops." A typical right-wing tactic: If you can't make a good argument, lie and mislead. You have about as much class as the pricks with the sign.
One of the banner sign in the protest was stolen from an apartment complex. KATU.com reported one sign with a "for rent" and phone number on the reverse belonged to a Sellwood apartment complex.
KATU.com also reported that the apartment complex was receiving several phone calls about the sign.
Stealing privately-owned signs to make protest banners is real low.
The sign in the photo reads, "Fuck the Troops." Do these darkened masked cowards have any idea they are "biting the hand that feeds them?" Yep, these are the same troops that are defending your right to say "fuck the troops." Idiots.
I'm not sure if the Conservatives posting would really like to apply a standard that judges a belief or movment based upon the extreme, fringe, or criminal members of that group. Unless of course they would like to argue that everyone who supports the war are saints and completely lucid.
However, I'm willing to entertain that argument because I have examples to the contrary from the posts on this blog.
Sniping back and forth aside: you really ought to have a smaller version of that first photo, instead of linking to the gigantic version on indymedia. Is it there for making posters or something?
And remember, Democracy is all about shouting and signs and blocking traffic and halting commerce! That's exactly what the founding fathers were aiming for.
Democracy is all about the public having a say in government, from choices of officeholders to certain types of legislation.
Protest marches are all about angry people, usually minorities of the electorate (Did ANYONE at the march vote for Bush in 2004? If not, did this new majority all conveniently forget to vote?) attempting to influence events above and beyond the weight their numbers should give them.
Eddie: What happens when you have protests and counter protests as you have on the issue of the Iraq war. Are both sides a minority? Does that mean that the majority of Americans don't care either way when it comes to the war?
Protests are not immediately effective in the same way that legislation can be. However imperfectly, they can give some indication of public sentiment. And they provide a legitimate outlet for expressions of frustration.
I'm not sure why some feel the need to make fun of them. Protests have a long and proud history in this country dating back before the foundation of the Republic. But maybe it's just easier to demonize people you disagree with.
And yes, I'm willing to bet that some of the protestors had voted for Bush in '04. American sentiment about the war has changed since then.
Personal note: my boss joined the protests, and he certainly is not jobless. I'm about 99.9999% certain that he doesn't smoke pot. However, since I don't live with him, I couldn't possible confirm that from actual experience. Oh, he also owns his own house.
The "peace-niks" don't mind the presence of anarchists (hey, that's pro-American), supporters of che gueverra (hey, he's a pacifist), anti-private property communists (hey, that's pro-liberty), anti-troops folks (hey, that helps to support the troops), and the list goes on.....and the permitted organizers don't have the cojones or smarts or desire to uninvite the anti-Americans. It makes one think that birds of a feather, flock together. The hypocrisy of the left is only exceeded by their stunning stupidity.
I have reason to believe that Daniel Miglavs is not a right-wing asshole.
My theory is that he is actually a left-wing asshole whose blog is intended to be a parody of right-wing assholes.
I figure that 98 percent of Republicans (many of whom are against the war in Iraq) would probably not be so stupid and childish as to hold up video of this melee and a photograph of three masked guys with a "Fuck the troops" sign in hopes of persuading people that these images are a fair and balanced representation of the more than 10,000 people who participated in Sunday's march, and that the images are also somehow indicative of the character of those who protest their government's involvement in a war. It is one of the cheesiest smear jobs in the book: Question the integrity and motives all of your opponents by aligning them with someone who shares their sentiments but who also happens to be a high-profile asshole. It's the sort of tactic embraced only by ... well, assholes.
If I'm correct, an interesting reverse-hypocrisy going on here: Daniel (the real one, the left-winger) hopes that by holding up video of a couple of assholes who were in Sunday's march and thus implying that all anti-war protesters are assholes, he will himself appear to be an asshole that readers will presume to be (logically, in his mind) representative of all conservatives.
It's an interesting tactic. But you know what? Regardless of who’s doing it and who the target is, it’s still a low-rent, seedy smear tactic that appeals primarily to idiots. So, whether I’m spot-on with the theory of Daniel as a closet left-wing Internet performance artist or dead-wrong, I am right about one thing:
Ah... Here's the rub blue, say I take 50 photos of my street. 48 of said photos show nothing but quiet homes, with a car driving by. The 8th and 46th photos in the series, however, show a car full of masked men shooting automatic weapons ou the windows, and three men with stocking caps dragging a family trussed up and duct taped to a van... Now, if I showed those two exceptional photos in the newspaper and claimed that crime happens on my street, would I be misrepresenting things? Am I being unbalanced by not printing the 48 photos of quiet homes and nothing going on to balance it out?
By hosting an all inclusive political event, you are also accepting the messages that you are including. You don't get to go, "oh, they're not really representative... they're just... um... with us... sort of."
Not exactly, Eddie. If you consider this blog an "all inclusive political event," is Daniel "accepting the messages" that are posted here? If he doesn't respond to one that is over-the-top and extremely offensive, if he doesn't say, "Hey, I don't agree with you," or "You need to take that crap somewhere else," does that mean he's "accepted" (i.e., agreed with) the message?
I'll bet there were thousands of people in Sunday's march who never even saw the "fuck the troops" sign. Have they also "accepted" the message simply because they were in the same group of 10,000 + people?
Guilty by association. i don't hang out with bible-thumping rednecks. So there you go. You phags hang out with the "fuck the troops" crowd, then you are with them. you are them. And to you I give you a hearty FUCK YOU! Now go eat a dick and die already, asswipes.
Anon 11:33, I hate to point out the spectacularly obvious, which you are clearly oblivious to, but if you're hanging out at Daniel Miglavs' blog with his little fan club, then you do hang out with bible-thumping rednecks. Christ, the third link down on his home page is "Born Again Redneck." And if you must, it's "fags," not "phags."
Contrary to what you might think about those who oppose the war, we do not oppose the troops. So one stupid anarchist....(note the covered face...that's what the anarchist do)...so one stupid anarchist carries a sign that says 'F... the Troops'. That does not mean that's what we all believe!!!!!!
Heard today of a counter-protest, 500-1000 vets, bikers marching with a permit...on a Friday, same route, burning the city council in effigy. I like the "ring" to that!
libby, let me get this straight....a peace march punctuated, as usual, with masked anarchists, che lovers, foul signage, burning American flags, soldiers being burned in effigy, all of which is known to be present by the organizers, and not a word of protest at this presence. We also have actual Americans supporting our country, while the peace marchers castigate them for being "violent" influences. Peace is clearly not on the agenda of the goofy lefties. Pro-American violence is not o.k., but violence directed at America and Americans is just fine. You lefties can never again claim that you are patriots, or in "support" of the troops who protect your right to assemble. You are sooo busted......sheesh.
Bear...what should I have done when I saw them? Start a riot? They have freedom of speech too, don't they? Or is it hust freedom to think as the neo-cons?
libby said... Bear...what should I have done when I saw them? Start a riot? They have freedom of speech too, don't they? Or is it hust freedom to think as the neo-cons?
DEAR LIBBER:
Lets talk about that sign verbage. "DEATH TO AMERICA".....NUFF SAID!
OK, Bear and everyone else, first of all, I think the anarchists are scumbags. I do not agree with what they do and what they say. But why protest them? That's what they want. They want to cause trouble. And, I had no legal right to do anything. Even though their message is disgusting, they have a right to say it. If they do something ellegal, let the justice system handle it. You see, the difference between those on the left and those on the right...and listen carefully to this...those on the left want to protect our freedoms of speech, etc., and those on the right want everyone to think and act like them. And don't lump me in with the anarchists. They are a small number. I thought it was disgusting when Bill Bennett said there would be less crime if all black babies were aborted, but I did think that is what all conservatives thought.
I meant to say "I thought it was disgusting when Bill Bennett said there would be less crime if all black babies were aborted, but I did not think that is what all conservatives thought.
Oh, pleeeaasseeee....if you're going to so curtly criticize my typo (illegal), you better be darn sure you don't make any grammitical errors.
"When your side say's enough, they will stop, NOT ONE PERSON DID A THING TO STOP THE EFFIGY BURNING!" (says, not say's. There should not be a comma between stop and NOT; instead, use a period or a semi-colon)
Anyway, re-read what I wrote. If I had tried to stop anyone, a riot whould have broken out. As disgusting as they are, they have freedom of speech (which is one of the things your side says we're fighting for in Iraq). As for the rest of what you wrote, I don't know what in the hell you're talking about.
HEY LIBBER: ILLEGAL(YOU BASTARDS LOVE TO CORRECT,BUT NOT BE CORRECTED)
In the Sunday fishwrapper was a "op" piece by another "bastard" crying about his kid going to Iraq.
Perhaps if you would not stop the burning, you can take those great writing skills an support the troops..HERE IS MY EXAMPLE!
When I read your piece in the Portland, Oregon paper, my blood pressure went up, to new heights.
My blood pressure is pretty good for 60, (I think we are close to same age), so a rise isn't fatal, what is fatal is your thinking!
Betting you're going to think on reading this, I'm a Bush-koolaid drinker, well betting you could be 911 was an "inside" job type is also a possibility.
My better judgement tells me this email is a waste of time, but here goes my "pitch" too you.
If you support your son as you say you do, then write a lead editorial for your paper clearly stating your contempt for the past anti-war march here in Portland, an the radicals here...BURNING IN EFFIGHY, an AMERICAN SOLDIER!
My son was there from the beginning of the war, an ended going in an out twice since the war.
Yes...I have a dog in the fight!
If you think the burning was wrong, an don't use your venue to outline an AMERICAN FATHER'S DISGUST, for this action...Then I submit your just another Bush "hater" with no credibility whatever. My respect for your son, My HOPE, your a man/father of your word.
Jobless Potsmokers? what the hell is wrong with you people, you dont see how many people Marijuana has helped or that the founding fathers of this country you are suppose to love so much grew the shit? The very rights you have in America were wrote on Marijuana? You down on potsmokers for smokeing the same plant your president's and governors, and alot of wise people smoked? So you are dowing your country? Fuck all of you if thats the way you want to see the world. I think that would make you the downside to america. Just like the federal goverment. You are all just making us look bad by not seeing the importance of the issue. You just see people that are stress free and happy and you are jelous of it. I run a multi-million dollar co2 company, and I smoke pot for my own reasons. That does not make me a loser. I am a successful man and proud to smoke pot! I think you people need to look futher into the reasoning of things before you judge those who have.
Maybe people should stop thinking about why people smoke pot. And think about why people are jobless Homeless Why Mexicans and other illegals Get in and take what we work so hard for in the first place. This is our america i say let mexico canadia or who ever else be and get the hell out of our land.
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stop the war it's a waste of my money. what would life be like if that money was spent here at home???
I didn't bother going to the anti-war rally. Not even to simply photograph for the heck of it. I had more important things to deal with, such as yard work and home maintenance on Sunday.
Although I should have gone to photograph just to expose to the world the kind of people Portland has to offer. My home is my one of my top priority though.
When you see a male in his 50's with a back-pack you know there is something queer or his vasectomy has caused him mental trauma.
YES! Simply by looking at them I can tell that they are all jobless and pot smokers!!!
So I guess for all you supporters of the war, what is wrong with protesting, peacefully, the war? It seems to me to be a good thing to see Democracy in action and people exercising their right to demonstrate to their government how they feel about the Iraq war.
Oh yes anon, carrying a briefcase and wearing a suit makes you an uber-mensch.
Do you truly believe that everything would be better if we all thought, dressed and believed the same?
It would have been a good day to visit the library.
That is if you wanted to spot perverts as they would be the only people there with all the other non-productives walking the streets in unison and holding misspelled banners.
Fact: The vast majority of the American people are opposed to the war in Iraq. Congratulations to Daniel for posting a photograph of a sign, held by three people, that the vast majority of those same Americans would find offensive, as if to suggest that anyone who is opposed to the war is inclined to wear black and say "Fuck the troops." A typical right-wing tactic: If you can't make a good argument, lie and mislead. You have about as much class as the pricks with the sign.
One of the banner sign in the protest was stolen from an apartment complex. KATU.com reported one sign with a "for rent" and phone number on the reverse belonged to a Sellwood apartment complex.
KATU.com also reported that the apartment complex was receiving several phone calls about the sign.
Stealing privately-owned signs to make protest banners is real low.
The sign in the photo reads, "Fuck the Troops." Do these darkened masked cowards have any idea they are "biting the hand that feeds them?" Yep, these are the same troops that are defending your right to say "fuck the troops." Idiots.
I'm not sure if the Conservatives posting would really like to apply a standard that judges a belief or movment based upon the extreme, fringe, or criminal members of that group. Unless of course they would like to argue that everyone who supports the war are saints and completely lucid.
However, I'm willing to entertain that argument because I have examples to the contrary from the posts on this blog.
Sniping back and forth aside: you really ought to have a smaller version of that first photo, instead of linking to the gigantic version on indymedia. Is it there for making posters or something?
And remember, Democracy is all about shouting and signs and blocking traffic and halting commerce! That's exactly what the founding fathers were aiming for.
Democracy is all about the public having a say in government, from choices of officeholders to certain types of legislation.
Protest marches are all about angry people, usually minorities of the electorate (Did ANYONE at the march vote for Bush in 2004? If not, did this new majority all conveniently forget to vote?) attempting to influence events above and beyond the weight their numbers should give them.
So the OFIR protests are generally ineffective? Glad we could come to that consensus, Eddie.
Eddie: What happens when you have protests and counter protests as you have on the issue of the Iraq war. Are both sides a minority? Does that mean that the majority of Americans don't care either way when it comes to the war?
Protests are not immediately effective in the same way that legislation can be. However imperfectly, they can give some indication of public sentiment. And they provide a legitimate outlet for expressions of frustration.
I'm not sure why some feel the need to make fun of them. Protests have a long and proud history in this country dating back before the foundation of the Republic. But maybe it's just easier to demonize people you disagree with.
And yes, I'm willing to bet that some of the protestors had voted for Bush in '04. American sentiment about the war has changed since then.
Personal note: my boss joined the protests, and he certainly is not jobless. I'm about 99.9999% certain that he doesn't smoke pot. However, since I don't live with him, I couldn't possible confirm that from actual experience. Oh, he also owns his own house.
Jobless, I think some are not. This protest was on a Sunday, a day that many people have off anyway.
Looking at the enlarged picture. It appears that sign that misspelled "Cheney" also misspelled "Gonzales" with two "z."
The "peace-niks" don't mind the presence of anarchists (hey, that's pro-American), supporters of che gueverra (hey, he's a pacifist), anti-private property communists (hey, that's pro-liberty), anti-troops folks (hey, that helps to support the troops), and the list goes on.....and the permitted organizers don't have the cojones or smarts or desire to uninvite the anti-Americans. It makes one think that birds of a feather, flock together. The hypocrisy of the left is only exceeded by their stunning stupidity.
I have reason to believe that Daniel Miglavs is not a right-wing asshole.
My theory is that he is actually a left-wing asshole whose blog is intended to be a parody of right-wing assholes.
I figure that 98 percent of Republicans (many of whom are against the war in Iraq) would probably not be so stupid and childish as to hold up video of this melee and a photograph of three masked guys with a "Fuck the troops" sign in hopes of persuading people that these images are a fair and balanced representation of the more than 10,000 people who participated in Sunday's march, and that the images are also somehow indicative of the character of those who protest their government's involvement in a war. It is one of the cheesiest smear jobs in the book: Question the integrity and motives all of your opponents by aligning them with someone who shares their sentiments but who also happens to be a high-profile asshole. It's the sort of tactic embraced only by ... well, assholes.
If I'm correct, an interesting reverse-hypocrisy going on here: Daniel (the real one, the left-winger) hopes that by holding up video of a couple of assholes who were in Sunday's march and thus implying that all anti-war protesters are assholes, he will himself appear to be an asshole that readers will presume to be (logically, in his mind) representative of all conservatives.
It's an interesting tactic. But you know what? Regardless of who’s doing it and who the target is, it’s still a low-rent, seedy smear tactic that appeals primarily to idiots. So, whether I’m spot-on with the theory of Daniel as a closet left-wing Internet performance artist or dead-wrong, I am right about one thing:
Daniel Miglavs is an asshole.
dyke style. Hey blue man, go fuck yourself, you fucking douche...
Ah... Here's the rub blue, say I take 50 photos of my street. 48 of said photos show nothing but quiet homes, with a car driving by. The 8th and 46th photos in the series, however, show a car full of masked men shooting automatic weapons ou the windows, and three men with stocking caps dragging a family trussed up and duct taped to a van... Now, if I showed those two exceptional photos in the newspaper and claimed that crime happens on my street, would I be misrepresenting things? Am I being unbalanced by not printing the 48 photos of quiet homes and nothing going on to balance it out?
By hosting an all inclusive political event, you are also accepting the messages that you are including. You don't get to go, "oh, they're not really representative... they're just... um... with us... sort of."
Not exactly, Eddie. If you consider this blog an "all inclusive political event," is Daniel "accepting the messages" that are posted here? If he doesn't respond to one that is over-the-top and extremely offensive, if he doesn't say, "Hey, I don't agree with you," or "You need to take that crap somewhere else," does that mean he's "accepted" (i.e., agreed with) the message?
I'll bet there were thousands of people in Sunday's march who never even saw the "fuck the troops" sign. Have they also "accepted" the message simply because they were in the same group of 10,000 + people?
Guilty by association. i don't hang out with bible-thumping rednecks. So there you go. You phags hang out with the "fuck the troops" crowd, then you are with them. you are them. And to you I give you a hearty FUCK YOU! Now go eat a dick and die already, asswipes.
Three people isn't a crowd.
Anon 11:33, I hate to point out the spectacularly obvious, which you are clearly oblivious to, but if you're hanging out at Daniel Miglavs' blog with his little fan club, then you do hang out with bible-thumping rednecks. Christ, the third link down on his home page is "Born Again Redneck." And if you must, it's "fags," not "phags."
Have a nice day!
" if that money was spent here at home??? "
said ANON 7:21,
Spent on what? The guy who printed the sign F the troops, if he holds the sign real still, I'd spend about $3.50@ .70 cents a round!
Contrary to what you might think about those who oppose the war, we do not oppose the troops. So one stupid anarchist....(note the covered face...that's what the anarchist do)...so one stupid anarchist carries a sign that says 'F... the Troops'. That does not mean that's what we all believe!!!!!!
Libby, Daniel doesn't really have a knack for picking up on things like: complexity, nuance. Oh! And facts.
Heard today of a counter-protest, 500-1000 vets, bikers marching with a permit...on a Friday, same route, burning the city council in effigy. I like the "ring" to that!
libby, let me get this straight....a peace march punctuated, as usual, with masked anarchists, che lovers, foul signage, burning American flags, soldiers being burned in effigy, all of which is known to be present by the organizers, and not a word of protest at this presence. We also have actual Americans supporting our country, while the peace marchers castigate them for being "violent" influences. Peace is clearly not on the agenda of the goofy lefties. Pro-American violence is not o.k., but violence directed at America and Americans is just fine. You lefties can never again claim that you are patriots, or in "support" of the troops who protect your right to assemble. You are sooo busted......sheesh.
BTW, an anti-American lefty from the U. of Toledo had a mask and a sign, "Death to America." Love that peaceful message!
Bear...what should I have done when I saw them? Start a riot? They have freedom of speech too, don't they? Or is it hust freedom to think as the neo-cons?
libby said...
Bear...what should I have done when I saw them? Start a riot? They have freedom of speech too, don't they? Or is it hust freedom to think as the neo-cons?
DEAR LIBBER:
Lets talk about that sign verbage. "DEATH TO AMERICA".....NUFF SAID!
OK, Bear and everyone else, first of all, I think the anarchists are scumbags. I do not agree with what they do and what they say. But why protest them? That's what they want. They want to cause trouble. And, I had no legal right to do anything. Even though their message is disgusting, they have a right to say it. If they do something ellegal, let the justice system handle it. You see, the difference between those on the left and those on the right...and listen carefully to this...those on the left want to protect our freedoms of speech, etc., and those on the right want everyone to think and act like them. And don't lump me in with the anarchists. They are a small number. I thought it was disgusting when Bill Bennett said there would be less crime if all black babies were aborted, but I did think that is what all conservatives thought.
There's a typo in my last sentence above..
I meant to say "I thought it was disgusting when Bill Bennett said there would be less crime if all black babies were aborted, but I did not think that is what all conservatives thought.
If they do something ellegal, let the justice system handle it.
ILLEGAL....(must be a rough night)
Dear LIBBY:
What system,(speaking of the Portland cops) PROTECT US? Like Shumacher furs? NO THANKS!
When your side say's enough, they will stop, NOT ONE PERSON DID A THING TO STOP THE EFFIGY BURNING!
If we burn the city council in effigy....WHAT DO YOU THINK MIGHT HAPPEN?
Dear Anonymous,
Oh, pleeeaasseeee....if you're going to so curtly criticize my typo (illegal), you better be darn sure you don't make any grammitical errors.
"When your side say's enough, they will stop, NOT ONE PERSON DID A THING TO STOP THE EFFIGY BURNING!" (says, not say's. There should not be a comma between stop and NOT; instead, use a period or a semi-colon)
Anyway, re-read what I wrote. If I had tried to stop anyone, a riot whould have broken out. As disgusting as they are, they have freedom of speech (which is one of the things your side says we're fighting for in Iraq). As for the rest of what you wrote, I don't know what in the hell you're talking about.
HEY LIBBER: ILLEGAL(YOU BASTARDS LOVE TO CORRECT,BUT NOT BE CORRECTED)
In the Sunday fishwrapper was a "op" piece by another "bastard" crying about his kid going to Iraq.
Perhaps if you would not stop the burning, you can take those great writing skills an support the troops..HERE IS MY EXAMPLE!
When I read your piece in the Portland, Oregon paper, my blood pressure went up, to new heights.
My blood pressure is pretty good for 60, (I think we are close to same age), so a rise isn't fatal, what is fatal is your thinking!
Betting you're going to think on reading this, I'm a Bush-koolaid drinker, well betting you could be 911 was an "inside" job type is also a possibility.
My better judgement tells me this email is a waste of time, but here goes my "pitch" too you.
If you support your son as you say you do, then write a lead editorial for your paper clearly stating your contempt for the past anti-war march here in Portland, an the radicals here...BURNING IN EFFIGHY, an AMERICAN SOLDIER!
My son was there from the beginning of the war, an ended going in an out twice since the war.
Yes...I have a dog in the fight!
If you think the burning was wrong, an don't use your venue to outline an AMERICAN FATHER'S DISGUST, for this action...Then I submit your just another Bush "hater" with no credibility whatever. My respect for your son, My HOPE, your a man/father of your word.
Jobless Potsmokers? what the hell is wrong with you people, you dont see how many people Marijuana has helped or that the founding fathers of this country you are suppose to love so much grew the shit? The very rights you have in America were wrote on Marijuana? You down on potsmokers for smokeing the same plant your president's and governors, and alot of wise people smoked? So you are dowing your country? Fuck all of you if thats the way you want to see the world. I think that would make you the downside to america. Just like the federal goverment. You are all just making us look bad by not seeing the importance of the issue. You just see people that are stress free and happy and you are jelous of it. I run a multi-million dollar co2 company, and I smoke pot for my own reasons. That does not make me a loser. I am a successful man and proud to smoke pot! I think you people need to look futher into the reasoning of things before you judge those who have.
Maybe people should stop thinking about why people smoke pot. And think about why people are jobless Homeless Why Mexicans and other illegals Get in and take what we work so hard for in the first place. This is our america i say let mexico canadia or who ever else be and get the hell out of our land.
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