What Can I Do to Make Your Flight More Uncomfortable?
Six imams removed from a US Airways flight from Minneapolis to Phoenix are calling on Muslims to boycott the airline. If only we could get Muslims to boycott all airlines, we could dispense with airport security altogether.
The idea that a Muslim boycott against US Airways would hurt the airline proves that Arabs are utterly tone-deaf. This is roughly the equivalent of Cindy Sheehan taking a vow of silence. How can we hope to deal with people with no sense of irony? The next thing you know, New York City cab drivers will be threatening to bathe.
Come to think of it, the whole affair may have been a madcap advertising scheme cooked up by US Airways.
"US Airways - now 100% Muslim free" may not be a bad advertising slogan considering that all recent airplane hijackings have been at the hands of Muslims.
48 comments:
toally off topic but I just want to say that al franken is a prick... A celebratory car bomb, wounding american soldiers? Listening to error america, apparently that is funny...
News reports called them "scholars" and some have gone as far to compare them to Rosa Parks... But few reported that the loudest one of all actually had ties to Bin Laden!
If muslims boycott USAir, I will fly that airline exclusively!
just curious....did the "scholarly conference" these yahoos attend produce any condemnations of terrorism, or repudiations of violent threats by their "brethren" and leaders? Not holding my breath. That would be like b.j. clinton touting monogamy.
these clowns push every security button they can reach, get hostile when confronted, and scream discrimination.....just like the convicted Portland Seven. If the practioners of the Religion of Death can't behave like adults, or condemn those among them who don't, then every islamo-idiot (and enabler) deserves every form of derision they get.....and every imam or other islamo-dunce out there can eat pork and kiss my butt. May they all receive what they preach.
"Omar Shahin complained about being removed from the plane, saying: 'Six scholars in handcuffs. It's terrible.' "
Maybe someone should prepare a tract for these scholars to study : "How not to act like assholes on a plane", maybe?
But y'know, sometimes I think Americans actually love to be guilt-tripped by schmucks like those "imams".
Oh, for heaven's sake. These people have nothing to prove to you. There are one billion Muslims in the world, Bear, including up to five million in the United States, and if they all supported terrorism, let alone practiced it, we'd be screwed. You want evidence? What do you think this machine you're looking at is, a typewriter? Happy Thanksgiving, Bear!
But you're going to say they're being insincere, aren't you? "Those Muslim leaders, who explicitly condemned the extremists in their faith, didn't actually mean it! They were just playing PR! If they were serious, it would look like... like... sheesh!"
I am deeply amused by the fact that, based on your other recent comments, it sounds like you're accusing one of the most conservative, fundamentalist mainstream religions of liberalism.
These people have nothing to prove to you. Their faith is practiced peacefully and virtuously by hundreds of millions of people, eclipsing even the most violent of its exploitative, politically-motivated perversions.
Which isn't to say that the latter miscreants aren't a problem. Al Qaeda has been severely damaged as an organization, but, thanks in large part to our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is growing as an independent ideological movement. But anyone who detonates a streetful of innocent people in the name of Islam has been taught a lie as to what Islam is and stands for.
You know that, Bear. I assume you studied world history in some form in high school; one of the most universal, timeless themes in the nature of human society is the exploitation of loyalty. The Chinese emperors had the mandate of heaven; European monarchs, the Divine Right of Kings. Spain conquered three empires in the New World, annihilated three civilizations and pillages and murdered thousands, in the name of God. Over, over, over and over, leaders and visionaries and activists have justified their actions as being "God's will."
Bin Laden's al Qaeda was no different. It just had more destructive tools at its fingertips.
Sometimes, Bear, I'm not sure if you just write what you write to be provocative, because you like to hear people like me get angry, deriving pleasure from the reaction, like a schoolyard bully. Or maybe you really do believe these things, despite the snarky, insulting, unproductive rhetoric that you spout. But I assure you that I believe what I write here very deeply, and would love nothing more than to change a mind.
So I ask you, Bear, to give thanks today to the other Muslims. There's a Muslim in Congress now, you know. And there are Muslims in the United States military who believe they are risking their lives to protect your freedom. And aside from them, there are a billion Muslims, ordinary people, who, despite their sorrow, their anger, their hate, will never lift a finger to harm you, your wife or your children, because their humanity, and their religion, forbids it. Be grateful for that.
I would also ask you to forgive even the ones who do blow themselves up. But I understand that the reach of Christian values around here is disappointingly limited...
Think about what I said, though. I'd be very grateful if you read the whole post this time, and think about it. And if you have a comment after that, I'd be delighted to hear it.
Wow. What was I just saying? "... sometimes I think Americans actually love to be guilt-tripped by schmucks like those 'imams'."
And kaelri immediately proves it!
I've never categorically accused an entire religion of being depraved, Calhoun. What guilt do you think I have, exactly?
In truth, I don't care about the guys on the plane. If anything, Daniel's right about that, minus the claim that we could do away with airport security.
kaelri, I invite you to review the remarks by Robert Spencer in his recent book The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades. The book in full of citations to the Koran and the ahadith (commentary).
Sorry, "... is full of citations..."
Muslims & Mexicans-Our forefathers worked hard and sacrificed so much so we could live in the best Nation on Earth.
Now these people want to steal it all away from us.
Democrats think that is okay, by their actions.
What future do my children have?
Speak Spanish and praise Allah or be a slave? or have their head cut off?
Why should I trust any Mexicans or Muslims? Why?
Tell me what good things they do here? Just one?
Jihad is a religious duty..."Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, until they pay with willing submission and feel themselves subdued..." (The Koran, 9:29).
Martyrdom is the highest good. "Allah purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs in return is the Garden of Paradise: They fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth" (The Koran, 9:111).
Muslims engaged in jihaad must not show tolerance toward nonbelievers. "Slay the idolaters wherever you find them" (The Koran, 9:5)
Acts of Terrorism...are justified by the Prophet's example. "I will inspire terror in the hearts of Unbeliever: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them: (The Koran, 8:2).
Sun Tzu: "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles.
If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will suffer a defeat.
If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."
Know your enemy. Show me a Muslim that will defend your rights to freedom of religion and speech, defend your right to marry a person of the same sex, defend the equality of women and their right to choose to have an abortion and I will show you an Unbeliever. Give thanks that we still have the right to discuss these topics without fear of persecution.
Bobkatt:
You do see the problem with that, right?
Read the first book of Joshua, 2nd Samuel, and the 1st and 2nd book of Kings. I guarantee you will find the exact same ideology.
Bryan, Big differnce is that most Christians live in the 21st Century, Most Muslims think it is still the 12th Century. Their leaders make sure of it.
"Bryan, Big differnce is that most Christians live in the 21st Century, Most Muslims think it is still the 12th Century. Their leaders make sure of it."
Perhaps, but our imperialistic ways sure do give other countries the impression that we're still stuck before the coming of christ.
Sorry, *Christ. My mistake.
Kaelri:
On the Muslim in congress: YOU MEAN THE ONE WITH TIES TO HAMAS?
Muslims in the United States military :
YOU MEAN THE ONE WHO JUST GOT THE DEATH SENTENCE FOR "FRAGGING" HIS FELLOW SOLDIERS BEFORE THEY WENT INTO IRAQ?
That "MUSLIM" nearly killed my kid too.
GOD BLESS US AIRWAY!!!
The only good muslim is a dead muslim.
"YOU MEAN THE ONE WHO JUST GOT THE DEATH SENTENCE FOR "FRAGGING" HIS FELLOW SOLDIERS BEFORE THEY WENT INTO IRAQ?"
I forgot. One person can often be an accurate representative of an entire religion. I mean the KKK...
Has anyone, especially you, kaelri, noticed that in all the conflicts going on around the world, not just the ones the U.S. is involved in, at least one side of those conflicts is Muslim? The only exception would be the "troubles" in Ireland, but that is pretty much over, at least for now.
As far as those screwballs on the USAir flight, I am surprised the AmINOCLU isn't involved yet. Or, for that matter, Jesse Jackson and/or Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan.
AHH LAW SCHOOL IN EUGENE, HEY BRYAN, YOU FLOWN ANYWHERE LATELEY?
Will you care if the Muuuuuuslims,have prayers just before they wreck a really nice 757?
As long as you're not on it of course.
These people mean to harm us!
The problem is that Islam is still in the 12th century.
If you publicly go apostate inside Dar el Islam, you will be persecuted, jailed, or killed.
If you espouse non-violent tolerance towards non-moslems ( as opposed to 'hudna', a temporary truce for tactical reasons ) you will be called a heretic.
There is exactly one sect in Indonesia that calls for a permanent peace with other religions ... and they are branded heretical in their own country, and persecuted as a result.
When Islam gets into the 18th century ( the last 'witch' was burned at the stake by Calvinists in Scotland in 1790 ), I will cut them some slack.
The Muslims on the plane were clearly discriminated against. So what? Stores discriminate against teen boys and girls when they keep a watchful eye on them for shoplifting.
Either stop blowing things up, or start criticizing those amongst your followers who do. Loudly. Until that starts happening in the Islamic world, cry me a river of tears.
As for US imperialism being at fault, get a life. We buy oil for $60 a barrel and it costs them $2 a barrel to pump. The fact that Islamic rulers are ripping off their people aint exactly American imperialism.
"The Muslims on the plane were clearly discriminated against. So what? Stores discriminate against teen boys and girls when they keep a watchful eye on them for shoplifting."
The blacks were also discriminated against when they went into supermarkets as well as resturaunts, busses, and airports. Don't tell me you advocate racism.
"Either stop blowing things up, or start criticizing those amongst your followers who do. Loudly. Until that starts happening in the Islamic world, cry me a river of tears."
You didn't read Kaelri's post.
"As for US imperialism being at fault, get a life. We buy oil for $60 a barrel and it costs them $2 a barrel to pump. The fact that Islamic rulers are ripping off their people aint exactly American imperialism."
When there is political pressure from the United States to do that, then yes, I think it is our fault.
But, maybe you're right. I can't think of one example of American imperialism has hurt others... except maybe Iraq, Argentina, the Phillipines, or any time the United States threatened a middle eastern country with military action.
or any time the United States threatened a middle eastern country with military action.
Do you all get the feeling Bryan would prefer to live somewhere besides here?
Hey Bryan, when my kid gets back from Iraq( Marine Corp) He would love to take you out for a beer sometime, maybe your additude just needs an "adjustment!"
A) Obviously bryan thanks racism and discrimination are synonymous. Solution, buy a dictionary. It is often perfectly appropriate to discriminate. This is why NAACP meetings tend not to let in people wearing Klan robes. It is also why one rarely finds a Catholic bishop leading a synagogue.
B) Who said I was replying to Kaelri’s post?
C) Trust me, Im in retail, it takes zero political pressure to get someone to sell you something that costs $2 to make and sells for $60.
D) Huh, what a weird definition of imperialism? “any time the United States threatened a middle eastern country with military action”
Ok, lets accept that. Therefore, since the Islamic terrorists have, and continue to threaten military action, and have taken military action against the United States they are all imperialists? Im with you Bryan! Down with middle eastern imperialism!
"A) Obviously bryan thanks racism and discrimination are synonymous. Solution, buy a dictionary. It is often perfectly appropriate to discriminate. This is why NAACP meetings tend not to let in people wearing Klan robes. It is also why one rarely finds a Catholic bishop leading a synagogue."
Obviously, you need a dictionary. Merriam-Webster on racism:
"racial prejudice or discrimination."
"B) Who said I was replying to Kaelri’s post?"
If you had happened to follow the link Kaelri provided, you would realize the following claim is negated:
"Either stop blowing things up, or start criticizing those amongst your followers who do."
Seriosly, do you keep up on world events or do you let Daniel do that for you?
"Trust me, Im in retail, it takes zero political pressure to get someone to sell you something that costs $2 to make and sells for $60."
Wow, that completely refutes my claim. I didn't know that you were an expert stakeholder in the matter.
"Huh, what a weird definition of imperialism? “any time the United States threatened a middle eastern country with military action”"
No. Threats of imperialistic and aggressive military action cause states to make decisions that harm their country the least.
"Ok, lets accept that. Therefore, since the Islamic terrorists have, and continue to threaten military action, and have taken military action against the United States they are all imperialists? Im with you Bryan! Down with middle eastern imperialism!"
This proves your ability to pull botched inferences from other people's assertions. You shouldn't be allowed to speak.
QUESTION FOR BRYAN: If you were draft age, would you fight?
If there were another attack, and members of your family were killed, an profiling or wiretaps could have saved them, would you still stand against them?
To Anon-
No.
"Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," [ Deut. 32:35] says the Lord."
Romans 12:19
bryan saxton wrote:
"This proves your ability to pull botched inferences from other people's assertions. You shouldn't be allowed to speak."
Last time I checked, the First Amendment also applied to bloggers. Fortunately for all of us, it's not your choice to determine who speaks and who does not.
All too true.
OK Bryan, now READ the definition. See how in the definition of racism it says “Racial prejudice or discrimination”. “RACIAL”, Got it? See the racial part? Discrimination has to have the racial component to be racism. This was obviously not the case in the matter at hand (Islam and its mode of clerical dress are not a race) or my argument. Discrimination is not synonymous with racism. If you don’t understand that after looking up and writing the definition here, I cant help you.
Regarding the botched inferences thing – Sorry dude, you lose. I used a standard logical technique. I simply took the logical conclusion of your argument and pointed out its foolishness. If you cant refute it, again not my problem.
As a suggestion, rather than saying others shouldn’t be allowed to speak, I suggest you take some basic logic classes and also learn how to read a dictionary. You really kind of make a fool out of yourself when you post a definition that completely contradicts your point.
I do thank you for adding a chuckle to my morning however; the dictionary screw up thing is pretty damn funny.
HEY BRYAN: BOUGHT YOUR RUG YET?
CAIR: Defending the Indefensible
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has, once again, shown North America exactly where they stand on the issue of defending innocent human beings from the depredations of radical Islamic terrorists and their supporters:
Six Muslim imams (Islamic holy men) were recently pulled from a US Airways flight due to concerns raised by fellow passengers. These concerns included:
- Making anti-American comments about the war in Iraq.
- Asking for seat belt extensions (even though a flight attendant did not believe they needed them).
- The six boarded the plane separately, except for one who needed assistance because he is blind.
Taken separately, none of these rises to the level where casual observers need become concerned. However, consider:
- The men were overheard making anti-American comments in the terminal before the flight. Why did they find it necessary to make the comments in the terminal, in the presence of fellow passengers? Was it simply a case of bad behaviour or an attempt to call attention to their presence?
- Seat belt extensions are exactly what they are called; a means for overly large passengers to extend the reach of the normal seatbelts in order to make themselves more comfortable—and safe—for the flight. Seat belt extensions would also make very handy weapons.
- While there is no rule that says Muslim passengers must sit together, it would seem very odd to any observer to see the men split up and sit apart when they had been a group in the terminal. Could this have scared passengers who remembered the same tactic was used on 9-11 to commandeer the doomed airliners that hit New York, Washington D.C., and Pennsylvania?
Omar Shahin, one of the “holy men” is a representative of the Kind Hearts Organization. Kind Hearts assets have been frozen while under investigation. Shahin has expressed doubts that Muslims are responsible for the 9-11 attacks and says of Al-Qaida terrorist nests in America, “All of these, they make it up.” If Shahin is representative of the type of “holy men” that were taken off the airliner, then we can fully understand why law enforcement personnel were concerned enough about their presence to remove them.
CAIR’s response? Ibrahim Hooper, spokesperson for the Islamic terrorist supporting group, had this to say: “Because, unfortunately, this is a growing problem of singling out Muslims or people perceived to be Muslims at airports, and it's one that we've been addressing for some time.”
Hooper once again apologizes for radical Islam while pretending to be concerned about civil rights. He completely ignores the civil rights of the passengers who were intimidated by the rude and suspicious behaviour of the six “holy men”.
Shahin had this to say, “"They know what they have to do, they have to be fair and just with everybody."
Shahin got his wish: he behaved like a Muslim terrorist and he was treated like one. What could be fairer than that?
Sources:
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53057
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/16069916.htm
Andrew Whitehead
Bryan Saxton said...
To Anon-
No.
"Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," [ Deut. 32:35] says the Lord."
Romans 12:19
12:21 AM
TO BRYAN: Of course you would not fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some of us who have been in combat have seen your kind!
On fighting to protect others, same as above, its spelled Y-E-L-L-O-W.
More to come regarding the botched inference thing, but in regards to the racism...
"US Airways - now 100% Muslim free."
Refute?
"US Airways - now 100% Muslim free." GOOD FOR THEM!!!
Bryan: YOU AN RELATION TO A LAWYER NAMED MAYFIELD?
Do you know anybody with CAIR?
I'm betting the answer to all is YES!
Good luck on my refutation of your imperialism argument.
As for the 100% Muslim free comment, I didn’t make it so I see no need to support it or refute it. You are the one who drew the conclusion that I supported racism, which I don’t.
My point was that there is nothing wrong with discrimination, when it has a logical base. That is entirely different from racism. This is why I would support the NAACP in banning KKK members. It is also why I would support Jews who demanded that a synagogue head be Jewish and not Catholic. Both are examples of discrimination; one involves race; both have a logical base. Neither is racism.
NOTE TO R HUSE:
DEAD ON POST!
YouR post in another blog on J FING KERRY...dead on again!
CAN YOU IMAGINE HIM IN CHARGE????
"The Muslims on the plane were clearly discriminated against. So what?"
Or did you not say that as well?
Ok, but maybe it has a logical base. I mean, those black people were causing those white folk to loose money by scaring away their customers. So, yeah, I guess it is ok to violate personal freedoms in the name of security, or, in this case, comfort.
Also, had you read and understood my second post regarding the botched inference you would see where your final point was negated. It actually is my mistake. I should have known not to assume you had any idea how the political tools of diplomacy, negotiation, and globalization worked. Silly me.
NOTE TO BRYAN: HAS THE CAIR GOT YOU ON RETAINER? sure sounds like it.
Hey, Anon 1:47 If your son would let me go along with him and Bryan, I'll buy the first one. Bryan definitely needs an attitude "adjustment" that only the Marines can do in a good and proper manner. I would pay to see that!
Has anyone noticed that whenever Bryan is losing an any points he is attempting (quite lamely), he always inserts a verse from the Bible, usually taken out of context, in a feeble attempt to get the upper hand and to cover his sorry ultra-liberal butt?
Woopsie, sorry Bryan. I did say they were discriminated against. But once again, discrimination is not racism. That is also not what you asked me to refute. Sorry bud, you are kind of dead in the water on that one.
Your example of black folks scaring away customers is a little silly, since it doesn’t have a logical base.
At any rate, it is amusing. You got called on your use of liberal boilerplate in applying imperialism to any military action the US takes in the mid east. You cannot support it and thus stoop to insulting sarcasm. It is hardly atypical behaviour but I do have to say it is always funny to see the left twist in the wind, as you are now, when they do it. Carry on my good friend!
Scottiebill said...
Hey, Anon 1:47 If your son would let me go along with him and Bryan, I'll buy the first one. Bryan definitely needs an attitude "adjustment" that only the Marines can do in a good and proper manner. I would pay to see that!
He needs a "full treatment"....WE WOULD STOP IT JUST SHORT OF BRYAN TELLING MY KID HE SUPPORTS THOSE THAT WANT US ALL DEAD.
Perhaps Bryan could use his law skills to talk a very pissed of 6ft 5 in. Marine that has been there done that 2 times, not to eat him.
"Woopsie, sorry Bryan. I did say they were discriminated against. But once again, discrimination is not racism. That is also not what you asked me to refute. Sorry bud, you are kind of dead in the water on that one."
Racism involves discrimination. You're referring to discriminating against an entire race (muslims). Your assertion matches the webster definition of racism perfectly.
"At any rate, it is amusing. You got called on your use of liberal boilerplate in applying imperialism to any military action the US takes in the mid east. You cannot support it and thus stoop to insulting sarcasm. It is hardly atypical behaviour but I do have to say it is always funny to see the left twist in the wind, as you are now, when they do it. Carry on my good friend!"
Being that you are uneducated in the matter of US foreign policy, I can only reccomend "United States Foreign Policy" by William Baugh. Perhaps after finishing that, you can make some sort of relevant attack on my assertion.
Bryan, you have established quite clearly that you cannot understand a dictionary definition even when you read it and write it here. Your assertion that Muslims constitute a race reinforces your lack of comprehension. Discrimination is not a synonym for racism, you matter how much you stomp your foot about it.
As for my being uneducated in foreign policy, nice try. You are simply trying the standard liberal tactic of insulting the person when you cannot refute their argument. One would think if you had so much knowledge of foreign affairs you could refute my argument. You clearly cannot.
Given these two facts, I would suggest you refrain from questioning others education. It really does little other than to make you look pretty foolish.
"I mean, those black people were causing those white folk to loose money by scaring away their customers. So, yeah, I guess it is ok to violate personal freedoms in the name of security, or, in this case, comfort."
Jesus, bs,, do you have ANY original thoughts; or are all your comments scripted by the NAACP & ACLU? Oh, wait, your biblical references would be anathema to the latter.
You talk out of both sides of your mouth. You cite the Bible as a source of intolerance: Read the first book of Joshua, 2nd Samuel, and the 1st and 2nd book of Kings. I guarantee you will find the exact same ideology. and in the next breath, seek to use it as a shield to deflect accusations of cowardice: "Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," [ Deut. 32:35] says the Lord."
Romans 12:19
Like all liberals, at heart you don't really believe in freedom of speech (This proves your ability to pull botched inferences from other people's assertions. You shouldn't be allowed to speak.), you reserve that "personal freedom" for those who agree with you. The dim candle of your insecurity wavers too much in the fresh breeze of free and open discussion.
Your position that the imams' "personal freedoms" were somehow "violated" is different, of course, since it suits your feeble point. It also graphically demonstrates your complete lack of perspective and the flexibility of your "morality".
It's OK to shut up those who disagree with you, but, for Allah's sake, don't dare question the bizarre behavior of the holy men on USAir Flight 300.
Typical.
But then, people like you have no firm principles, only transitory wants, needs and "beliefs" which can change to suit the moment or the situation. These amount to nothing in the true measure of a person's values. Since you have nothing to start with, you have nothing to "loose".
Spot on rickyragg. BS is using the standard liberal technique here of calling anyone who disagrees with him a racist. The only thing that makes it worth responding to is this is one case of a liberal using the term when he clearly doesn’t understand it.
First there is the application of race to a religious, rather than racial group (hey, if I convert to Islam, viola I have changed my race according to BS). Second there is the astonishing inability to comprehend a dictionary definition of the racism and thus think discrimination is synonymous.
True, it is the same non-thinking liberal boilerplate, but in this instance it is hilarious because of its unparalleled misapplication.
r huse
True, it is the same non-thinking liberal boilerplate...
BS vividly demonstrates why thinking liberals are so rare - look at what can happen!
We've got the litany of an amateur debater here: red herrings, straw men, poisoning of the well, amusing personal attacks, self-congratulatory assessments of his own prowess...
...what's next?
Oh, and don't forget the exquisitely placed misspellings.
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