Thursday, November 30, 2006

Memo to law enforcement: don't arrest anyone ever for any reason

This morning Google news has 310 news stories about Portland's own Brandon Mayfield getting $2 million in taxpayer money to settle a lawsuit.

The lesson here is: it doesn't matter how concrete the evidence may seem, don't arrest anyone, especially a Muslim after a terrorist attack. Hesitate. It's far better to let someone get away than offend someone whose own fingerprint expert says that their clients prints were on the bomb material.

115 comments:

Anonymous said...

Uh Daniel, the Spanish police told the FBI not to arrest him until they could confirm his fingerprints. They made the comparison off some bad faxed copy of them. He was clearly wrongly arrested as they then went after some random Algerians whom Mayfield had NOTHING to do with but had actually COMMITTED the atrocities in Madrid.

Kaelri said...

Subjecting a prisoner "to lockdown, strip searches, sleep deprivation, unsanitary living conditions, shackles and chains, threats, physical pain and humiliation" constitutes a bit more than "offending someone."

Bobkatt said...

Keith Ellison, Democrat from Minnesota, the first Muslim elected to the U.S. congress, has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the Koran. Small matter, I don't think so.

Crackpot said...

Daniel, I'm fairly certain you would be singing a much different tune were you wrongfully arrested and imprisoned for a couple weeks.

Kaelri said...

Bobkatt: The Constitution prohibits religious tests for public officers. The Constitution doesn't even mandate an oath - the option of an "affirmation" is provided for those whose religion forbids them from making oaths. Four Presidents of the United States (including two Republicans) did not swear an oath on a Bible at their inaugurations. Elected Jews commonly swear on the Torah. So what is your objection?

BEAR said...

ooohhhh, let's see.....I know, how about the death to infidels part?

The Meek said...

2 weeks = $2 million
1 day = $142.857.14
1 hour = $5,952.38
1 minute = $99.20

From his neighbors and fellow countrymen, for an honest, NON MALICIOUS, mistake!!!

Anonymous said...

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Mayfield was a lone lawyer, no mega $$$$$ CLIENTS, NOT BIG DOLLARS REPORTED ON THE INCOME SIDE OF THE TAX REPORTS .....ever!

WHERE THE F-CK, DID THE MONEY COME FROM? Did he win the AL-QUIDA lotto?

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Kaelri said...

See, you can tell when people haven't actually been reading other people's posts and are just assuming that it's just a standard rundown of left-vs.-right. It's when they put words like "HERO" and "valid" in quotes, even though they're not quoting anyone. They're putting words in other people's mouths because they're too lazy to take the time, read the posts that we sometimes spend 10-15 minutes writing, and see that some of us have a different idea.

Scottiebill said...

Kaelri: Isn't that better than chopping off heads, as your islamo-fascist friends are wont to do? That seems to be a bit more "offending" to the person on the wrong end of the axe.

Scottiebill said...

After the "successful" attorneys get their share of the $2 million, someone should monitor how much of the remainder stays in this area and how much will go to the muslim radical nut cases.

And, kaelri: When was the last time a Jew was elected as President of the U.S.? It surely was not in recent memory and that could stretch back to sometime before George Washington.

Anonymous said...

"Off Topic" --- I'd come here to followup on your efforts to curb illegal immigration. I'm leaving disappointed. Persistent attacks on anything not far enough right give me little hope for what should have been an opportunity for all Americans to unite over a common threat.

It's hard to understand where this level of hatred comes from, considering you've 'had it all' politically for the past 6 years...? As bad of shape as our nation's in, I suspect you'll tell me it's because we weren't further right? Go ahead ... remain pawns of the Republican hate-machine. Though I'd hoped we could 'get along,' it's evident here the hardened right is incapable of working peacefully toward a shared goal.

As good as it felt 'coming to your aid' as the only caller ("Jeff") on KBOO Radio's 4 vs. 2 pro-Illegal program, with those like me gone, well, there aren't likely many more willing to step over that line. Therefore, I'll let you be... But if the big-bad-Democrats do us wrong on illegal immigration, ultimately, they will have help from many like you. ...So long...

Kaelri said...

"Kaelri: Isn't that better than chopping off heads, as your islamo-fascist friends are wont to do? That seems to be a bit more 'offending' to the person on the wrong end of the axe."

So anything we do is acceptable as long as it's not as bad as what they do? It's alright to torture innocent people as long as we don't cut their heads off? I abhor such moral relativism.

Note that I describe Mayfield as "innocent" whether he did it or or not. Even had he personally masterminded the bombings in Madrid, I wouldn't care for the purposes of this argument. You, me, and every human being under the jurisdiction of the United States is innocent of criminal offense until proven guilty, and until that happens we are entitled to our full civil and legal rights.

To the murderers of hundreds of men, women and children, then let justice be done, with my blessing, as long as it's done after a fair, expedient trial by jury of peers. I hold that bin Laden himself is entitled to that. If that makes me a "friend" of Islamic extremists, then so be it; for I am not alone.

- - - - - - -

"And, kaelri: When was the last time a Jew was elected as President of the U.S.? It surely was not in recent memory and that could stretch back to sometime before George Washington."

As far as I know, all Presidents of the United States have been Christian... what's your point?

Anonymous said...

we haven't "had it all" for 6 years. we have a president who spent most of his first term hamstrung by the "gore won" crowd, forced into a false "bi-partisanship" in order to get anything done - resulting in things like Ted Kennedy writing the education bill that liberals then attacked as some sort of Bush idiocy. we have a senate that continues to be a refuge of big government liberalism - it didn't really change this last election in substance, only in labels, as on paper it become "democrat" when in reality it is and has been liberal. hell, it might be more conservative now that Chafee is gone. we have yet to see what America would be like with actual conservatives actually running things.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:07 says that "It's hard to understand where this level of hatred comes from ... "

I'd say it's pretty easy. It's called racism and xenophobia.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.

Anonymous said...

Karlei,

What is your source that four Presidents did not take the oath of office on the Bible? The only President that did not take the oath of office on the Bible was Theodore Roosevelt and that was immediately following the assassination of William McKinley. As usual, you are dead wrong again.

Anonymous said...

Hey Kaelri,

You remain part of the problem and not the solution. If we had been hard on the Islamic extremist from the beginning we might still be looking at two very beautiful towers in New York and over 3,000 innocent victims would be celebrating the holidays with their families.

Bin Laden does not deserve a trial give him so old fashion Texas style justice.

Btw do you honestly think that the Islamic extremist treat their prisoners with dignity? Just ask the parents of the young American that had his head sawed off while he screamed in pain.

Sincerely,
A True American

Anonymous said...

Oops I typed so instead of some Texas justice.

Anonymous said...

Daniel, upon being released after a week in jail for a crime he didn't commit: "Bye guys, and hey -- NO problem! Don't worry about it, no hard feelings. Feel free to arrest me anytime for any reason, I'll leave the door unlocked and the light on for you. Keep in touch!"

Kaelri said...

"What is your source that four Presidents did not take the oath of office on the Bible? The only President that did not take the oath of office on the Bible was Theodore Roosevelt and that was immediately following the assassination of William McKinley. As usual, you are dead wrong again."

No, I'm not.

Franklin Pierce did not swear an oath, but rather affirmed. Rutherford Hayes was officially inaugurated in a private ceremony, and had no Bible. Roosevelt, too, had no Bible, as you noted. And Lyndon Johnson used a Missal. Count 'em.

"If we had been hard on the Islamic extremist from the beginning we might still be looking at two very beautiful towers in New York and over 3,000 innocent victims would be celebrating the holidays with their families."

In my mind's eye, I can see a charismatic Iraqi sectarian explaining the situation to his initiates: "If we're hard on the American infidels, then in five years, we might still see a hundred thousand Iranian would-be victims celebrating Ramadan with their families."

The cycle of violence is a very, very real thing. What you don't understand is that we're not under attack because of who we are, but what we do. Would al Qaeda just give up if we withdrew from the Middle East entirely? Of course not. But no one lives forever. The harder we make it for them to convince Muslim children that Americans are the enemy, the sooner al Qaeda will die.

"Bin Laden does not deserve a trial"

We gave Saddam Hussein a trial. We gave the Nazis a trial at Nuremberg; even the Israelis tried Eichmann before they hanged him. We gave Timothy McVeigh a trial. We gave Milosevic a trial. Tell me how bin Laden is different. Explain it to me. Please.

"Btw do you honestly think that the Islamic extremist treat their prisoners with dignity?"

I have not claimed that they do.

I have not claimed this because I don't care. We should treat our prisoners with dignity regardless of how they treat theirs. That's how we show - how we prove - how we are - better than them.

The Meek said...

It is both what we do and who we are. Our T.V. shows, such as "housewives" is beamed into the Taliban controlled corners of Pakistan. This is who they think we are. They will try to kill us to prevent their sons and daughters from acting like that.

What we do is equally important. They are now seeing that we will not wage full war against them to stop their slaughter of innocents. They see that we are prevented from distinguishing between targeted military killing with incidental civilian deaths in an attempt to win a war and targeted civilian killing in hopes of triggering United Nations political pressure to appease.

They don't care if we appear to be or think of ourselves as "better than them." they will carry out there plans to slaughter our innocent women and children unless we are willing to force the relevant information out of them ahead of time.

Kaelri said...

"It is both what we do and who we are. Our T.V. shows, such as "housewives" is beamed into the Taliban controlled corners of Pakistan. This is who they think we are. They will try to kill us to prevent their sons and daughters from acting like that."

I disagree. I'm sure they abhor the permissiveness and ambiguity of our culture, but it's not enough to trigger a movement of mass martyrdom. They see us as a threat, for tangible reasons. And to be honest, I think half the reason is the same old story: Israel. And the other half today, which has more or less replaced any casus belli from the Reagan, Bush I or Clinton years, is Iraq. The reason for the upward spike in global terrorism in the last three years is no more complicated than al Qaeda's ability to prove to them that America is a malevolent empire with no regard for human life or dignity. Up to six hundred thousand dead in the cradle of civilization, and so many hearts and minds slip from our fingers. A father, a brother, a child dead - that's all it takes to make a man pick up a rifle. (Evidence: the United States, September 2001.)

"Who we are" is just pouring water on a gas fire - it exacerbates the flame, but it is neither the fuel nor the spark.

For one more analogy, take the "homosexual agenda" in the United States. Conservatives and the Christian right demonize the "gay lifestyle," they think civil unions threaten the sanctity of marriage, they think it's a disgusting, depraved perversion - but there is no war on gays. Despite some significant exceptions, a gay American, though hated and alienated, is safe here.

"They don't care if we appear to be or think of ourselves as 'better than them.'"

I don't care if they care. I care. Living up to our principles is more important than fighting for them. If we can't do both, then we're in the wrong war.

The Meek said...

If the muslims who happen to be terrorist are determined as they seem, and they will reasonably have access to weapons of mass destruction in our lifetime, what would you be willing to do to save you and yours? What is your "all out war" trigger? A nuke costing a million? A school in your town getting the Belsan treatment? If they are smart, they'll just wait until they outnumber us and then democratically impost their will. What would you be willing to do anything to stop it?

I think our standard should be no torture or coercion of enemy troops. Spies and terrorists who are likely to have information that would likely save innocent civilian targets should expect brutal interrogation if captured. We fought and won with honor in WWII. Lets use those rules.

Kaelri said...

"What is your 'all out war' trigger?"

I would order a war if I thought it would do more good than evil - if I thought that it was the only way to put an end to otherwise endless oppression and destruction. I am not a pacifist. But there would be no point in declaring war if terrorists got a nuclear weapon. Who would we declare war on? And what would they do once they got there? The self-destructive belligerence of that response is obvious to anyone who's even read Tolkien. Nine could do what nine thousand could not do and what ninety thousand could not stop. What we fear is not a Ring of Power, but rather a vial of smallpox; and unless they formed a human wall on our borders and around every airport, no army could stop one man from dropping that vial in Times Square and sealing our fate in an instant. Or if you trust the past rather than the future: how many men did it take to kill Franz Ferdinand? John F. Kennedy? Alexander Litvinenko?

War is inefficient, and political wars always create more problems than they solve, even when they're successful.

"If they are smart, they'll just wait until they outnumber us and then democratically impost their will. What would you be willing to do anything to stop it?"

I don't even know what you mean by that. A Muslim majority in the United States? Not happening in the foreseeable future. Let alone a Muslim-extremist majority? That doesn't even exist in the Middle East.

"Spies and terrorists who are likely to have information that would likely save innocent civilian targets should expect brutal interrogation if captured."

But it doesn't work. Setting aside the moral depravity of torture, this is the simple truth: it doesn't work. Professional interrogators will tell you. A terrorist isn't a soldier; "unlawful enemy combatants" are not sworn to loyalty, but coerced. Victims of torture only tell their interrogators what they want to hear; the information is not reliable. There is neither a moral nor a practical advantage of "brutal interrogation."

CIA and FBI officials have said that before President Bush's methods were ordered, they were using cooperative techniques - they made captured terrorists comfortable, got friendly with them, gave them luxuries in exchange for information. And they sang like birds.

I understand your beliefs. Really, I do. You're sickened by the idea of making deals with murderers, letting them have control over us, as if declaring war on us gives them the right. I really do understand, and it's not illegitimate. But we're trying to save lives. We're trying to save lives! Isn't it worth a perceived wound to our pride and reputation if we can save thousands of innocent lives? Isn't that the principle to which we should hold? Isn't that the kind of honor of which the fallen heroes of the last Great War would be most proud?

Wonder95 said...

the meek said:

"If they are smart, they'll just wait until they outnumber us and then democratically impost their will. What would you be willing to do anything to stop it?"

and Kaelri so eloquently replied:

I don't even know what you mean by that. A Muslim majority in the United States? Not happening in the foreseeable future. Let alone a Muslim-extremist majority? That doesn't even exist in the Middle East.

It's very simple. Look at birthrate information for Europe, and you'll see what he's talking about. The minimum birthrate needed for a stable population is 2.1 births per woman. In places like Europe and Japan, it is well below that at 1.5. mostly because the selfish people can't imagine giving up their lifestyle for the inconvenience of raising children. Meanwhile, Muslims continue to have large families. That combined with the large number of Muslim immigrants, means that pretty soon, Muslims will outnumber native Europeans.

Throughout history, societies in demographic decline, usually as a result of disease, have faced two unattractive options: a decline in their standard of living or the replacement of their native population with a more fertile immigrant one. In this case, Europe seems to have chosen that latter.

Anonymous said...

By Douglas J. Hagmann, Director

2 December 2006: Three Muslim men from Lackawanna, New York, all with close ties to the infamous "Lackawanna six" terror cell, were sentenced Thursday for their role in operating an illegal, unlicensed money-transmitting company – known as a "hawala" in Arabic - that sent $5.5 million from Buffalo to Yemen between 1999 and 2002. Mohamed T. Albanna, 55, his brother Ali Taher Elbaneh, and nephew, Ali Albanna, were arrested in December 2002 following the arrests of six other Muslim men from Lackawanna who admitted to attending an Islamic terrorist training camp in Afghanistan prior to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on America.

HEY BRYAN YOU MENTALLY ILL LIBBER, DO YOU SEE A "SMITH" OR JONES" HERE? ARE YOU UPSSSSSSSSET THEIR RIGHTS MAY HAVE BEEN VIOLATED?

You need to defend their rights on the streets of Bagdad.

Bryan Saxton said...

Anon-

Are you upset because I don't hate muslims the way you do?

Anonymous said...

HATE MUSLIMS???...just the one's that hate you!

You're your own worst enemy Bryan, and with your sick, stupid, way of thinking, your gonna get me killed, not before you "MIGHT" WAKE THE F UP!!!!

But by that time......well, that makes you my enemy Bryan, and all you "think" you stand for.

I'M BUYING YOU A SEAT ON THE NEXT FLIGHT 93, "WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO TODAY?

A BIG PS: As usual with you asswipe libs, you ignored what I POSTED ABOUT THOSE WE CAUGHT...BEFORE, YOU IDIOT, BEFORE, THEY KILLED US!

Bryan Saxton said...

"...with your sick, stupid, way of thinking, your gonna get me killed, not before you "MIGHT" WAKE THE F UP!!!!"

Ironically enough, I can make the same assertion directed at you (even though I would not word it as such). I would love to attack your argument directly. Unfortunately I can rarely make sense of your awkward writing style, much less your abstract and often irrelevant assertions. Perhaps someone can make clear your arguments for me.

Bobkatt said...

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But they don't want you marching in the streets. They'd much rather you just stay home.
The Global Orgasm for Peace was conceived by Donna Sheehan, 76, and Paul Reffell, 55, whose immodest goal is for everyone in the world to have an orgasm Dec. 22 while focusing on world peace.
The couple are no strangers to sex and social activism. Sheehan, no relation to anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, brought together nearly 50 women in 2002 who stripped naked and spelled out the word "Peace."

Kaelri said...

How... relevant.

Anonymous said...

I would love to attack your argument directly:

SURE YOU WOULD, BUT NOT FACE TO FACE!

HATE MUSLIMS???...just the one's that hate you:

Sure I hate Muslims that hate you, are you telling me to just stand there and watch you get your head cut off then?

Ironically enough, I can make the same assertion directed at you (even though I would not word it as such:

No, you pussy, you would not word it my way...YOU CAN'T FIGHT PERIOD!!!!

I DEMAND YOU ANSWER ONE QUESTION, OR STOP POSTING HERE.

Is the terror issue a life or death potential for the citizens (the real ones) of this country?

Scottiebill said...

kaelri: You are the one saying that the Jews even swear on the Torah. I apparently wrongly assumed that you were alluding to the presidencey of the U.S. My bad. I'll take my 40 lashes with a wet noodle.

By your reaction to my comment about beheading, I'll take your reply that you are comfortable with beheading as an acceptable alternative to loud music, etc. Please tell us all that you are willing to undergo such sanctions if were you put in place of the ones under the axe. Which would you prefer - loud music, a few cold nights, or the axe.

One other thing, kaelri: LBJ used a missal when he was sworn in as president because he was on Air Forse One in flight when the oath was administered. The missal was the only thing close to a Bible that was on board at the time.

It is obvious, kaelri that you don't care how the Muslim extremists treat their prisoners, some of whom are, and have been Americans, as long as we treat our Muslim extremists prisoners with dignity. So, if I am reading you right, you do don't give one solitary damn about how the prisoners of the Muslim extremists are treated, including beheading, as long as we treat our extremist prisoners humanely. Maybe it is time that you, kaelri, pack up and head for the Middle East where, I am sure, the extremists will welcome you with open arms -- or a ready and waiting axe. After all, you are an American, in name only maybe, but still an American. I doubt the Muslim extremist wielding the axe will care even a little bit.

Bryan Saxton said...

"SURE YOU WOULD, BUT NOT FACE TO FACE!"

Of course I would. Face to face is so much more convinient. Not that anything would get done; you'd likely yell and scream your head off at me, then refuse to listen to anything I say. After this, you would declare yourself the winner, which is fine by me.


"HATE MUSLIMS???...just the one's that hate you:

Sure I hate Muslims that hate you, are you telling me to just stand there and watch you get your head cut off then?"

I really don't know why you responded to your own post, but I really don't care much. But let me ask you something: should all Muslim's be banned from air travel? Should they be more scrutinized than others?

If so, what if a Christian had committed a terrorist act in the name of Christ? Should all practicing Christians be more scritinized at airport terminals? Banned from traveling?

"No, you pussy, you would not word it my way...YOU CAN'T FIGHT PERIOD!!!!"

I thought we were discussing. No matter. I CAN TYPE IN CAPS AND HURL INSULTS TOO. LOOK AT MEEEE!

"I DEMAND YOU ANSWER ONE QUESTION, OR STOP POSTING HERE."

I demand either you bring your writing up to a high school level or stop posting here, but it's not going to happen. But just to humor you...

"Is the terror issue a life or death potential for the citizens (the real ones) of this country?"

I don't even know what you're asking. Maybe you're asking if the issue of terrorism is important to the country of the United States. Here's an easy answer:

Yes. The issue of international terrorism is going to shape US foreign policy for a minimum of the next two years, but likely longer.

Also, eliminate the casuistry from your posts (look it up).

Bryan Saxton said...

..and yes, I should have wrote "for a minimum of two years" instead of "for a minimum of the next two years." My bad

Anonymous said...

"Is the terror issue a life or death potential for the citizens (the real ones) of this country?"


BRYAN: Maybe the JTTF needs to make a stop just to see if your really who you say you are.

The above question is really simple...THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO TOUGH FOR YOU.

Do you reconize the danger we are in? YES OR NO????

Bryan: WHAT I HATE(LET ME SPELL THAT FOR YOU, H-A-T-E most, is just because you think you are smarter because you went to a grade higher then myself...DOES NOT MAKE YOU SMARTER!

My style of writing, my lack of good period and comma's in the right place, does not make you more then me. I'm 60 years old, I fought in NAM(65-69) I was in the Marines, I saw people die, I shot and killed people trying to kill me, I've been there done that.

You have not seen, nor traveled ,experianced much more then potty training if that!

The rights you THINK belong to others, then those born here by birth and service to defend this country are not going to be taken away by snot nosed brats like you.

Daniel and I see who you are, and people like us...WILL PREVAIL, NOT YOU!

Kaelri said...

"By your reaction to my comment about beheading, I'll take your reply that you are comfortable with beheading as an acceptable alternative to loud music, etc."

You misunderstood. Somehow. My meaning was not that they are both acceptable, it was that neither is acceptable.

"One other thing, kaelri: LBJ used a missal when he was sworn in as president because he was on Air Forse One in flight when the oath was administered. The missal was the only thing close to a Bible that was on board at the time."

I know. And there was no public outcry, was there? And that was because the country had just been attacked, our leader had just been murdered, and the last thing any American citizen was giving a damn about was what book the new President put his hand on. Ceremony is secondary to reality. We'd do well to learn from that kind of pragmatism.

"It is obvious, kaelri that you don't care how the Muslim extremists treat their prisoners, some of whom are, and have been Americans, as long as we treat our Muslim extremists prisoners with dignity."

No. What I said is this: "We should treat our prisoners with dignity regardless of how they treat theirs." I don't believe that we should look to the methods of Zarqawi for our standards of humane treatment.

"Maybe it is time that you, kaelri, pack up and head for the Middle East where, I am sure, the extremists will welcome you with open arms -- or a ready and waiting axe."

As if I don't know who our enemies are or what they're capable of... you don't really understand what I'm trying to say, do you?

Let's start from the beginning.

One. Be it resolved that extremists seek to harm the United States and its citizens by means of terrorism. The United States cannot be destroyed by terrorism, therefore the extremists cannot win; as a result, they define victory by not-losing.

Be it resolved that these extremists are primarily Muslim, operating in and from Muslim nations and depending on the support of a minority of Muslims in those nations. Syllogism: extremists want to attack America, and extremists need the support of Muslims, therefore extremists need Muslims to want to attack America.

Two. Be it resolved that Muslim extremists cannot defeat American soldiers militarily; thus, for reasons unique to Islamic and Middle-Eastern culture, they resort to martyrdom. American soldiers, in turn, cannot defeat martyrs, because the death of a soldier is a loss, while the death of a martyr is a not-loss, which is a win. Therefore, in the long-run, a conflict between soldiers and martyrs will be won by the martyrs.

Three. Be it resolved that martyrdom by Muslims inspires other Muslims to become martyrs, such that the killing of Muslim extremists causes an increase in the number of Muslim extremists. This increase is invariable in the short-term but cannot be sustained in the long-term unless each successive wave of martyrs can be convinced that martyrdom is successful and righteous.

So far, then, we know this:

Muslim extremists must believe that their mission is righteous and possible, and they must convince their constituents of the same.

Americans can respond to extremism in two ways: suppressing the symptoms, via, warfare, or neutralizing the cause.

Warfare causes extremism to increase, because it enables extremists to believe that they are both successful and righteous.

Of course, since they are attacking and we are defending, anything they do will be successful, in their eyes. While it is effective to break down their networks when they organize into groups such as al Qaeda, as we did in Afghanistan, these organizations are not required for terrorism to continue. What we can eliminate, however, is their righteousness - making Muslim people believe that America is not harming them, cutting off both their external support and internal motivation.

You see, Scottiebill, I'm not trying to stop the guy holding the axe. I'm trying to stop the guy's son from picking up his father's axe.

Bryan Saxton said...

BRYAN: Maybe the JTTF needs to make a stop just to see if your really who you say you are."

Idle threats. Try again.

"The above question is really simple...THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO TOUGH FOR YOU."

I literally asked 10 people if they knew what you meant by asking that, and none of them were able to help me. Go figure...

"Do you recognize the danger we are in? YES OR NO????"

Thank you! This I can answer.

Yes, I do recognize the danger we are in. I recognize that international relations is more sensative post 9-11 than pre 9-11. I recognize that we need to proceed cautiously if we are to permanently resolve the issue of international terrorism.

I also recognize that we are being led by an incompetent leader who refuses the advice of both his (former) most trusted advisor and a highly regarded bipartisan study group in favor of a "stay the course" policy proven to not work. I recognize that he has pushed us into a war that was completely irrelevant concerning international terrorism. I recognize that he has turned Iraq from a country that was not a threat to the United States into a harbor and a rallying ground for terrorists. I recognize that our president is doing our armed forces a disservice by keeping them engaged in a war that had nothing to do with terrorism.

Yes, I recognize the danger we are in.

"Bryan: WHAT I HATE(LET ME SPELL THAT FOR YOU, H-A-T-E most, is just because you think you are smarter because you went to a grade higher then myself...DOES NOT MAKE YOU SMARTER!"

I never made that claim. You're making that inference by yourself. Perhaps you are insecure about it...

But to be perfectly fair, you are right. It does not make me smarter than you. Some of the worlds smartest people have difficulty conveying their ideas in writing. God knows I'm not the authority concerning writing or grammar either, as has been previously been shown on this blog.

"
My style of writing, my lack of good period and comma's in the right place, does not make you more then me. I'm 60 years old, I fought in NAM(65-69) I was in the Marines, I saw people die, I shot and killed people trying to kill me, I've been there done that.

You have not seen, nor traveled ,experianced much more then potty training if that!"

I think a lot of society's problems boil down to this: People think I should live according to their experiences, and I think they should live according to mine.

My uncle fought in Vietnam for four years. He thinks it is unbelievable that we're fighting the war on terror the way we are. He strongly advocates the withdrawal from Iraq.

"The rights you THINK belong to others, then those born here by birth and service to defend this country are not going to be taken away by snot nosed brats like you."

I had to read this one a couple times before I could understand what you were trying to say, but I think I got it. In a sense, I agree with you.

I am not going to take away anyone's rights. In fact, "snot nosed brats" like me are the ones who will strongly advocate the further promotion of those rights to everyone. Un-American? I seem to recall something in the constitution about "inalienable" rights. Forgive me if I'm wrong.

"Daniel and I see who you are, and people like us...WILL PREVAIL, NOT YOU!"

I disagree. You obviously do not see who I am. Besides, it seems as if the current state of the house and senate suggest that people like me will prevail. I'm not holding my breath or anything... I'm just saying...

Bryan Saxton said...

Oops. Poor spelling. Bad me. It should be sensitive not sensative. My bad

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