Friday, November 24, 2006

The day after

Well, it's the day after Thanksgiving, you know what that means... no not the biggest shopping day of the year, it's when the ACLU, PFAW, and company really ramp up their efforts to keep Christmas from being mentioned anywhere, anytime.

"Oh Daniel, you're being paranoid, there is no 'war on Christmas'" you say. Uh huh, that's what I love about liberals, they try to make huge societal changes while at the same time insisting that nothing is going on. (which has nothing to do with the fact that they need sweeping supreme court decisions to make all these non-changes)

The biggest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. Don't let people try to convince you that Christmas isn't being excluded from the public square.

27 comments:

Bryan Saxton said...

Way to generalize, Daniel. I hope you realize you are completely wrong before to long. Happy (day after) thanksgiving.

Anonymous said...

MERRY CHRISTMAS!
No, not happy holidays or any of that other crap!

Chris Pieschel said...

I don't necessairly think it's a "war on christmas" rather it's pandering to the minority that don't celebrate.

But this year major corporations such as Wal-Mart are hearing the public on this issue and are not afraid to say Christmas, because after all, don't like 90% of Americans celebrate this holiday? It's a federal holiday even!

Personally, as someone who does celebrate Christmas and not other wintertime holidays, I do not get offended when someone says "Happy Channukah", "Happy Kwanza" or anything else. I can't imagine that people really get that offended when someone says "Merry Christmas" to them, so I'm not sure why this is an issue at all...

Mostly I think it's ridiculous and I don't believe you should be barred from saying whatever you want to say to your customers... After all, they're basically wishing you well, no matter the greeting! So, Happy Christma-channu-kwanza-kuh to all, and to all a good night!

Tim said...

The S-P's won't be happy till Christ or any mention of God (Unless you're refering to the government) is considered hate speach, therfore bansished. It is a war.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Anonymous said...

Bryan,

How do you figure he is wrong? There used to be nativity scenes set up at city halls not anymore, Christmas vacation at school is now called winter break, schools are no longer allowed to put up Christmas Trees, govt employees will get written up if they say anything other than Happy Holiday. The laws in this country was designed around the Ten Commandments and court houses used to be able to display those but not anymore. They are still trying to take God out of our pledge of alliegence (sic). When I was growing up you used to see the newscaster do a short Merry Christmas on commercials now they have to say Happy Holidays.

Christmas has been under attack now for several years and if you can't see that then you are living with blinders on.

Oh yeah and that big tree in front of the White House that is now a Holiday Tree (when I was growing up it was a Christmas Tree). By the way lets not mention Jesus it might offend people.

Anonymous said...

Daniel,

You know that the more you talk about Jesus the less you have to act like him.

Take a look in the mirror and ask yourself ... WWJD and read the crap on your bolg.

Your haircut fits you.

Merry Christmas!

Anonymous said...

Very strange. Ever since I can remember in my "liberal" life, I've celebrated Christmas with my family and friends. We shop, we attend and host parties. We attend church, we put up a tree, we decorate, we listen to Chrismas music and sing carols, we give and receive gifts, the whole bit. Some of my friends are Republicans, some Democrats, some Christians, some not, and yet somehow, we all do this, we all say "Merry Christmas," the whole bit. Christmas dinner, wrapping paper all over the floor, etc. Imagine something akin to a Norman Rockwell painting, 21st century version, circa a wintry December.

And every December, there's this persistent whine in the background, like the buzz of flies staking out a dog turd on the sidewalk: Conservatives bitching and moaning that "liberals" are out to "destroy" Christmas.

I have a question:

What planet are you living on?

I also have a suggestion:

Get a life.

MAX Redline said...

A mere 25 years ago, signs at the local zoo proclaimed "merry Christmas", as was the case in many other locations. Today, it's "happy holidays". The big tree downtown in Portland that used to be a Christmas tree? It's now a holiday tree.

Of course, right across from it there's a large Menorah, which is oddly referred to by name and not as a "holiday candelabra".

Everywhere you look today, the only religious symbols being repressed and renamed are those from the Christian faith.

That is purely and utterly a statement of fact, and as fact, it is irrefutable. I've seen it occur with my own eyes.

Today's children, who weren't around back then, simply do not believe that this has been happening -because they've never known any other environment. I hope they realize that the are completely wrong before too long.

Anonymous said...

Witht the exception of the nativaty, most Christian symbols for Christmas were adopted from pegan traditions.

Time to learn about your own religion.

Anonymous said...

OH GOD, ANOTHER "BABY' lawyer fron Eugene....GOD HELPS US ALL!

Ric said...

How about PETA?

Tim Lewis said...

Which Christian traditions are you speaking of? Easter? Christmas? Seriously, I'd really like to know.

I saw that PETA thing on the news. Hilarious.

PETA: "YOU CAN'T USE REAL ANIMALS IN YOUR NATIVITY SCENE!!!"

Church: "We don't, and never have"

Anonymous said...

Tim:

Quick condenced history lesson here:

http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisite_Generic&content_type_id=1252&display_order=1&mini_id=1290

Not trying to take away what YOU feel the meaning of Christmas is, but you should at least know that origins of Christmas have very little to do with Christ.

MAX Redline said...

Of course, right across from it there's a large Menorah, which is oddly referred to by name and not as a "holiday candelabra".

Everywhere you look today, the only religious symbols being repressed and renamed are those from the Christian faith.

Not trying to take away what YOU feel the meaning of Christmas is, but you should at least know that origins of Christmas have very little to do with Christ.

Therefore, it must be ok to make up rules that say that you can't have a Christmas tree, much less a nativity - but you can have a Menorah, and you can require students in public schools to learn all about Islam during Ramadan. Riiight.

Anonymous said...

Max I never said anything about taking away Christmas trees and the like.

Just makes me laugh how we get all up in arms over a holiday that is basicly a pegan festival converted to a religious holiday. 1st by Catholic Church in the 4th century as to put its own spin on Saturaila and later by Lord Cromwell. Both of which were politically motivated to keep the masses happy. and maintain power.

SOOOOO if you want to give relgious significance to pegan symbols, be my guest, my friend.

Do not forget to have a Merry Christmas .... in all its holiness.

Anonymous said...

As for the nativaty ... I am with the nut job who runs the blog. Who cares? Should be allowed in public, just like the Menorha and the like

Tim Lewis said...

No history lesson needed. I knew most of the stuff about the history of Christmas. I misread what you wrote before to say "most Christian symbols" (in general) and not "most Christian symbols for Christmas" (the holiday alone). My bad. Thanks for clarifying what you meant though.

It is spelled pagan, and not pegan. It doesn't matter to me whether people take away the name "Christmas". It just means perhaps the church isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing, and such a public thing is an indicator of this.

Anonymous said...

Daniel,

Two things:

1. GO CORVALLIS, way to beat your damned Sherwood Bowmen today. GO BLUE COUNTIES!

2. People who say there is a "War on Christmas" have a huge inferiority complex because saying "Happy Holidays" does not f-k up your celebrations of a holiday that btw is nothing like it was originally intended.

Anonymous said...

>>>The biggest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.<<<

... and the biggest trick organized Christianity ever pulled was convincing retrograde dorks like Daniel that he does.

Anonymous said...

That made absolutely no sense.

Kaelri said...

"The S-P's won't be happy till Christ or any mention of God (Unless you're refering to the government) is considered hate speach, therfore bansished. It is a war."

I wish I lived in your head. The world must be so much more exciting from your point of view.

Does anyone here really identify Christmas by what the signs say at the local zoo and what they call a big tree on the White House lawn? I think you're missing the point.

The philosophy that government shouldn't respect one establishment of religion over another - with taxpayers' money, mind you - does not threaten Christmas. Christmas is quite safe. There's no Gestapo that's going to clap you in irons for wishing someone a merry Christmas on the street. No one's going to throw rocks through your front window if they see a Christmas tree inside. Your children won't be teased and ridiculed in school when the other kids find out they're Christian. And if you think all mention of Christmas is being forced out of the "MSM," I challenge you to watch the Hallmark Channel for a day and see if the fairy-tale sentimentalism doesn't made your ears bleed.

I don't actually agree with some of these policies - the Menorah's obviously a double standard, and if gov't employees are being cited for saying "merry Christmas," then someone up the chain of command is being a little obsessive. But even if these things were being done with the goal of quenching the flame of Christianity once and for all, then it's roughly the equivalent of stopping a volcanic eruption by spitting at the lava flow.

terry said...

The seasonal calendar has been posted on the doors at Pioneer Place and I am happy to say that "Merry Christmas" has been brought back.

Last year Merry Christmas was replaced with "Happy Holidays" or something like that.

Calhoun said...

Oh by golly have a Holly Jolly Christmas this year!

The Meek said...

"The philosophy that government shouldn't respect one establishment of religion over another -"

The king of England had established a state religion.

The founding fathers thought that was a bad idea.

The constitutional argument was over the government actually establishing an official state religion as a couple of states/local governments had.

There was no intent to ban the celebration of our religion in the public square.

We should not allow our courts to ban the display of Christian symbols in our public schools and main streets without a national debate and ammendment to the constitution.

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