Tuesday, December 12, 2006

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I am so very pleased that lately my blog has been such a source of amusement to people who are "tolerant" and believe in "women's rights" (this is why they insult my wife and mother) and who are so technologically advanced that they have even mastered the art of copy and paste. (ctrl+c and ctrl+v) Wow. You guys are good.

To everyone who asks "how can you stop them from doing that" I would say "why would I want to?" It's pretty funny to me. I mean sure, I could delete their posts like Indymedia does to me or not allow them post comments like BlueOregon does to me (those paragons of free speech and tolerance) but I think it illustrates, far better than I ever could, the actual mentality of some on the far left.

Not all of them mind you. Kaelri, who is 15 or 16, disagrees with almost all of my positions and is a frequent commentor here but somehow he is able to show more maturity than most of the (I'm assuming) adults who use the clever repartee of insulting my mother/wife.

It's just their way of handling things. Some people call their senator or collect signatures and some little boys copy and paste things on my blog. It's their civic involvement and I'm glad that I can provide an outlet for their frustrations.

Imagine if this blog didn't exist and they had to insult people to their faces instead of anyonmously over the internet? Their fear would surely keep them securely hidden in their parents basements for all eternity.

But thanks to my blog I allow them a few fleeting moments of feeling like a tough guy. I'm here to provide a service to all my readers. Whether it's informing you of the next illegal alien protest, a news alert or just a forum where liberals can exercise their fantasies of being macho, this is going to continue to be a home for many.

56 comments:

Anonymous said...

You forgot to mention that the Blue Oregon bloggers hate black people.

Anonymous said...

Save their www addresses and we can give them to the Rad Islamists when they get here.

One thing they don't like Big Time is Libs and Diversity.

Don't think they are not PC savy!

bjdorr said...

Very good commentary, Daniel. I guess we could settle for the very long comments (and the pharmaceutical advertisements) but not to delete comments like Indymedia. I know the feeling too with Indymedia censoring or deleting postings of certain opposing viewpoints. Please do keep up the good work.

Kaelri said...

That's at least one position I agree with, then. ;) I appreciate the mention.

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Anonymous said...

If you think your "readers" post on your blog so they can feel "macho," then you're the one having a fantasy, dude.

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Kaelri said...

On an unrelated note, you might be interested in some of the problems with an unnuanced "enforce the damn law" policy.

Calhoun said...

Kaelri, I read the article you linked to, and I didn't see anything about "problems". Looks like they rounded up some crooks. No problemo there!

Some lady wants to bitch about not getting a blue bracelet? Tough shit.

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Kaelri said...

I suppose you weren't interested in the part where she was a U.S. citizen - meaning legal, meaning exactly like you in the eyes of the law - who was picked out of a crowd because she has dark skin. Most likely, she's far from being an isolated incident. "Federal agents took an undisclosed number of people away in buses away to an undisclosed location."

So this raid has almost certainly left quite a number of Americans in the captivity of their own government, without any particularly reliable legal powers at their disposal. Could they be deported alongside the genuine illegals? It's entirely possible.

There are some other good points made in the comments on the page I linked to before; I doubt they'll stir very many hearts around here, but they're worth reading if only as opposition prep.

Bobkatt said...

Kaelri, there are always two sides to every story. For a differing point of view you can look at the same bust reported by MSNBC that was brought to my attention by the Robin's Nest blog. For all the heart wrenching consern this article tries to evoke, not a mention is made of the year long investigation that went into this raid and object of the raid. The raid was not to randomly pick up dark skinned people but to uncover a number of criminals involved with I.D. theft that have victimized many U.S. citizens and legal residents. The Social Sec. Administration estimates that there are appr. 25 million reported names that do not match their social sec. numbers. Do your concerns extend to those people whos lives are being destroyed and whos financial security is being ruined?
Here is an interesting quote from the article;
"Gloria Alvanes looked for her husband at the plant. He called a relative before he was arrested and taken away. She said she is upset because she doesn't understand why the government is treating undocumented workers as criminals when most of them are just here to work. Alvanes has been married to her husband for five years, but he hasn't become a legal U.S. resident because the immigration process is taking longer than they expected."
What she doesn't understand is that sometimes there are consequences to your illegal actions.

Kaelri said...

"The raid was not to randomly pick up dark skinned people but to uncover a number of criminals involved with I.D. theft that have victimized many U.S. citizens and legal residents."

Of course. I have no objection to the raid itself. I condemn the method. After a year-long investigation (in which, I assume, the DHS gathered some actual names) you'd think that they could be a bit more precise in their arrests than rounding up the Latinos. I know that wasn't the "point," but that's what they did.

"Do your concerns extend to those people whos lives are being destroyed and whos financial security is being ruined?"

Yes. But there's no need for relativism here. We don't have to solve one problem by creating another.

Calhoun said...

Kaelri, I noticed how you have to just make shit up. Like this :

"So this raid has almost certainly left quite a number of Americans in the captivity of their own government, without any particularly reliable legal powers at their disposal. Could they be deported alongside the genuine illegals? It's entirely possible."

Where do you get that? From your imagination. "Maria" wasn't arrested, taken away, or deported. She briefly had to stand in line until she was cleared. So what? Nothing to complain about. But the bitch is complaining like fuck.

She also complains that when her illegal alien niece was under arrest, "Maria" was prevented from giving her a coat. Yeah, and? No one would be allowed to hand anything to someone who's in custody.

But I hope these crooks keep on with their childish, petulant, arrogant whining. It's very revealing.

Kaelri said...

"Kaelri, I noticed how you have to just make shit up."

It's called critical analysis. It's that thing they tried to teach you in high school.

Fact: the blue bracelets were the first degree of identification of U.S. citizens. A U.S. citizen didn't get one, because the means of identification was illegitimate. She passed the second degree and was "cleared" rather than arrested. The ones who didn't were taken to an "undisclosed location."

The rest did come from my imagination. I didn't conceal that. Note the following phrases: "most likely," "almost certainly," "entirely possible."

Now use yours. Imagine a U.S. citizen working at a plant like Swift & Co. who speaks broken English, or didn't have ID with her, or lived alone and didn't have someone to vouch for her citizenship. She doesn't get cleared. She goes to an Undisclosed Location. What next?

It is my hope that some due process of law would eventually make an entrance, but, as Daniel himself noted in his most recent post, "when I think government I don't think customer service."

So forgive me, Calhoun, for having the audacity to present a hypothetical.

Calhoun said...

"It's called critical analysis."

No, it's called falsehood.

"It's that thing they tried to teach you in high school."

Too bad no one ever taught you that it's wrong to lie.

"So forgive me, Calhoun, for having the audacity to present a hypothetical."

It wasn't a hypothetical, it was a lie. And lying is exactly what I would expect from someone who wants crooks to be rewarded for breaking the law. Crooks and liars -- birds of a feather, made out of the same stuff.

Kaelri said...

In the passage of mine that you quoted, my statements were opinions, judgments and analyses, not facts. If you want to call my opinions "lies," feel free, but don't expect the more astute commentators around here to miss the grammatical fallacy.

Moreover, in any case, I stand by them. I don't believe they are false. I believe that these raids have probably brought a number of legal citizens to at least the detainment stage.

Do you stand by the following?

"Lying is exactly what I would expect from someone who wants crooks to be rewarded for breaking the law."

If you do, then I ask you to cite one post of mine in which I expressed that desire. Go on.

eddie said...

Hmmm... so if say the FBI knew that 100 Chinese gangsters were in Pioneer Square tonight, and they went to arrest them, that they should round up everyone in the area and treat them as if they might be the suspects?

Guess what? If you're looking for illegal workers in the west right now, there's an almost perfect chance that they're going to look "bronze" (to use the language of La Raza), they're going to have a spanish name, and they're going to speak with a hispanic inflection. Why shouldn't arresting agents use those criteria as a first filter to handle the procedure? If someone fitting my description were sought by the police, I'd consider it reasonable (unfortunate, unpleasant, and irritating, but reasonable) for me to be detained and questioned.

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Kaelri, you're like a squid squirting out a cloud of ink to hide in.

You lied. I busted you on it. That's that.

Kaelri said...

"You lied. I busted you on it. That's that."

Show me what you think is a lie, then, and I'll show you that it's not.

"Why shouldn't arresting agents use those criteria as a first filter to handle the procedure? If someone fitting my description were sought by the police, I'd consider it reasonable (unfortunate, unpleasant, and irritating, but reasonable) for me to be detained and questioned."

First, it's not just "someone" being sought. The number of illegal Mexican immigrants in the United States is estimated to be about 16 million, out of 42 million total Hispanics. That's less than 40%, meaning a randomly-selected Hispanic is likely to be here legally.

Second, not all Hispanics look Hispanic. This is obviously subjective and applies to a minority of the people involved, but it clarifies the problem of racial profiling from the other side: if appearance alone is enough to clear the people in that line, then criminals will walk free, and free from prosecution.

Third, only about 60% of illegal aliens as a whole are Mexican. For the same reasons that I described above, most the other 40% would be quite encouraged to know that light skin is the only visa they need.

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Already did.

Kaelri said...

That? Line by line, then.

1. "So this raid has almost certainly left quite a number of Americans in the captivity of their own government..." Analysis. Not claimed to be factual, as noted by the phrase of probability, "almost certainly."

2. "...without any particularly reliable legal powers at their disposal." Extension of previous analysis. Assumption based on accounts of treatment of prisoners by American security personnel in the last five years.

3. "Could they be deported alongside the genuine illegals?" Rhetorical question.

4. "It's entirely possible." Analysis. See explanation for 1.

You see, Calhoun, most readers understand that when they are presented with an opinion or a judgment, there is an unspoken "I think" or "I believe." If I had said something like "we know that U.S. citizens were arrested in the raid," then you'd have a case against me, because we don't. But what I said, in effect, was "I believe citizens were arrested."

If you think I'm lying about that, then you think I'm not honestly writing what's in my head. And I assure you, I have no incentive to do that.

Anything else I can clear up?

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How would you know?

bjdorr said...

By the way, in my previous post, if you like to respond to my question, please go to bjdorr.blogspot.com to answer. This way we don't tie up Daniel's comments thread.

Calhoun said...

Kaelri, thank you for making it abundantly clear that you're a liar, a blatherer, and a bullshitter.

Kaelri said...

Well argued.

Calhoun said...

Poor kaelri, all alone in his little hog wallow of bullshit.

Kaelri said...

Do you have some other point to make, Calhoun? You haven't contested any part of my explanation, so, assuming you've conceded that point, I'd just like you to make it clear to me and other readers that you're carrying on this meaningless verbal spitballing for its own sake.

Calhoun said...

"Kaelri" must mean "fountain of bullshit" in some ancient language.

Kaelri said...

Ah. I suppose that's a 'no.'

Calhoun said...

You lied. I busted you on it. That's that.

It is kind of funny, though, to see you blathering and bullshitting as if lies are erased by more lies.

Kaelri said...

Show me what else you think is a lie, then, and I'll show you that it's not.

Calhoun said...

It is kind of funny, though, to see you blathering and bullshitting as if lies are erased by more lies.

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Kaelri-

Cal will never be convinced, no matter how compelling the evidence against him. I wouldn't sweat it.

Kaelri said...

Yeah, I know. I was just enjoying myself.

Calhoun said...

Funny how you call a lie anything and everything except a lie. Amusing and revealing.

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