Thursday, June 04, 2009

I spilled my drink... quick, send someone from the state

NOTE: I am not actually typing this post because the government has determined that I could get carpal tunnel syndrome. Therefore a state worker is taking dictation.

Tonights wind knocked down a neighbors tree and it ended up laying across our residential street. Several of the menfolk went over to remove it when city workers pulled up and said that they would take care of it.

I imagine that folks in New Oreleans were so accustomed to this phenomenon that when daddy government wasn't there for five minutes to hold their hands it put them in a state of shock.

What ever happened to people helping each other out, taking care of each other and their neighborhood?

When the sheeple learn to be dependent of government they make themselves slaves. I'm almost looking forward to the apocalypic scenarios when the stores have no food, there is no electricy or running water and bartering replaces our paper currency. There won't be three city trucks and four workers coming to clear the brush out of your way then.


Anonymous said...

I was driving on Hwy. 30 last winter when a heavy tree came down blocking all lanes of traffic. The first few cars on scene cleared what we could but it was much too heavy to move.

After about 20 minutes or so about 6 or so emergency vehicles showed up, but what ended up saving the day was a guy who had a chain saw in the back of his pickup truck.

I can imagine that if Ted Kulongoski would had been there he likely would had demanded a environmental impact statement be submitted and of course a few forest service planners would need to be present to determine the damage that the loss of the tree was going to cause to the rest of the forest.

Anonymous said...

Miglavs, you sound like the uni-bomber with your giddy anticipation of Armageddon.

I've got the perfect place for you to live: The tribal region between Afghanistan and Pakistan. These people are said to be ungovernable. Wouldn't you love to be a member of that society. They "help each other out", "take care of each other and their neighborhood" all without any federal or local governmental oversight.

Here's another idea. Go to New Orleans, and take a tour of the Katrina damage (I did this last year). Once you've done this, and you still feel justified in criticizing those who died and who lost everything for being overly dependent on government, then so be it. Until then, however, shut the fuck up.

You have no idea of what you speak. Your snarky "five minutes" comment proves this. I have a hard time believing that anyone who has witnessed that type of destruction with their own eyes could criticize these people for what they faced in that storm. As I toured the damage all over that city for 4 hours, I was deeply shaken. It is horrific.

You're an ignorant prick, Miglavs.

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:59, No YOU should shut the fuck up dumbass!

Hmmm, lets live next to the Ocean, below sea level, in a hurricane corridor, Stupid fucks.

Hmmm, warnings have been issued, but we should just stay anyhow.

Hmmm, I'm sure Big Brother uncle Sam will take of everything sooo, lets rape and pillage until they get here.

Yes Katrina is a tragedy, a tragedy of Brainwashed Sheeple who as mostly Dumbocrats living generation after generation on Welfare and Food Stamps instead of getting a JOB, forget big democrat Kennedys famous speech, "do not ask what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for your Country..."

I fell sorry for people being born Black and having maybe some additional hurdles in life but I don't feel sorry for Anons that are blind to Daniels example of gov't cradle to grave BS which makes anyone defending it a pitiful excuse for a human.

Please go back downstairs and get back to Fucking your Dog Anon 6:59, or do you need help from the gov't to do that as well.

Anonymous said...

Anon 757,

I'll assume you're Miglavs. (My hunch is that Miglavs only allows anonymous posting so that he can post anonymously).

People stayed in New Orleans for any number of reasons. They or family members had waited out category 4 storms in the past. They had family members who were infirm and didn't want to leave them. They were extremely poor and had no means of transportation to get out.

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about with respect to Katrina. That storm affected all kinds of people over a very large physical area: Black and white, rich and poor, democrat and republican. And stop attributing the behavior of a few bad apples who looted to all of those who lost life or property.

Can you answer me these questions:

Is it unreasonable to expect immediate governmental aid in the wake of an unprecedented natural disaster?

What the fuck took so long for the National Guard to move in!!!!!!!!!!!????????

You're an apologist prick for explaining everything away by blaming people for being born below sea level and for failing to get out. My guess is that you were not one of the saints who traveled to the region to lend a hand. Rather, I picture you as the type who had your fat ass glued to your recliner and your eyes glued to Fox News and joined the right-wing chorus by sanctimoniously blaming the victim.

DAVE01 said...

Anon 6:59 AM
You sound like a bigot. Daniel is making the point that government is not the answer. We can and should take care of a lot of things in our lives. We don't need some government helping every time we need to wipe our butt. You probably need that assistance, most Americans don't.

It was the reliance on the government that got some of those people killed in the Katrina area. Last night during the storm we just had, my girlfriends daughter was watching the news and they mentioned something about a disaster kit. She was scared. She is 11 yrs old. I told her we had water, food, ways to heat food and stay warm and protection (Mr. Glock and Mr. Winchester).

If more people thought that way, we wouldn't have government bailing out all these corporations. But a lot of the bailouts are political rewards for the groups that supported Obama and the democrats. Before you try to dispute that statement, can you say ACORN and about $6,000,000,000 for them in the porkulus package.

I don't mind helping Americans, but they have to do some of the work themselves.

Anon 8:13 AM
You said they did not have transportation to get away from the storm. Don't you remember seeing a lot of school buses under water. That is called transportation.

Remember the storm that hit Texas afterward, they used school buses to evacuate their people. Republicans vs Democrat run states. Where would you want to live, in New Orleans and Louisiana (Democrat run) or in Texas (Republican run). Many people were abandoned and died (about 1900 people) in Katrina (don't forget Mayor Ray Nagin in another town crying ,now that is leadership), in Texas during Rita, only a few people died. Yes Katrina was much larger but they took care of business instead of crying on TV.

Can you answer me these questions:

Is it unreasonable to expect immediate governmental aid in the wake of an unprecedented natural disaster?

Yes it is unreasonable. The larger a disaster there is, the more likely things will go wrong. Again cover your own ass and those close to you. Common Sense.

What the fuck took so long for the National Guard to move in!!!!!!!!!!!????????
Look above. It was because Governor Blance (D) would not declare the disaster soon enough if I remember correctly.

If you put your life in the hands of somebody else you are a fool.

You called Daniel an apologist prick. How come the Dutch learned in the fifties after a storm covered most of their country. They said never again, people in the Katrina area said where is the government.

Don't forget that Mayor Nagin was voted in after his disastrous response to Katrina, they are idiots and do not deserve help the next time. He was voted in because he was black. If they cannot learn and keep voting the same idiots in that failed the first time, why should I pay the second time? Human beings have the ability to learn, I expect them to learn from their mistakes. Mayor Nagin was a big mistake that cost lives and I don't want to pay for more of his mistakes.

Anonymous said...

The philosophical default setting for self-identified "real" conservatives is: The only legitimate purpose of government is public safety. Okay, fine. Where does that leave Miglavs? Let's see ... oh yes: He's "almost looking forward to the apocalypic scenarios when the stores have no food, there is no electricy or running water and bartering replaces our paper currency." Presumably that means he's looking forward to completely taking matters into his own hands on streets void of cops, and is there anyone familiar with Miglavian raving who doesn't suspect that those hands will be gripped around a semi-automatic rifle, its owner eager to take out Latinos he decides are "looting"? True or false, Miglavs? No need to answer ... we know the answer, you fucking psychopath.

Anonymous said...

Dave - Sometimes government IS the answer, and you just can't bring yourself to admit that.

One example, the recent intervention into the U.S. economy. You'd be hard-pressed to find any economist who didn't feel that the government had to get involved and that the crisis stemmed overwhelmingly from a derivatives market entirely lacking government oversight. Had the government not done something, the economy likely would have collapsed. Now, we are seeing early signs of stabilization and recovery (job losses slowing, stock market inching upward). When it becomes clear that recovery is underway, how are all of the conservatives going to spin it in order to take the credit?

When you and Miglavs and others insinuate that liberals expect government to do everything for them, you are, in the end, just constructing straw men that you can easily knock down.

I'm a liberal, and I understand that I live in a capitalist society, and I like it that way. But I expect intense government activity in areas that have fundamental and profound impacts on the ability of common people to live decent lives. For example, I sure as hell want my government overseeing markets, because it is not fair that my well-being and life-chances be subjected to people who engage in risky behavior in futures markets. I'm all for people being able to engage in such behavior, but only insofar as it cannot subsequently wipe out my parents' retirement account. I think that the government is the entity to ensure that that does not happen. It's clear from the recent crisis that the Republican philosophy of self-regulation does not work. When money is involved, people cheat and lie all-too-often.

Moreover, Dave, my guess is that you, like Miglavs and so many other right-wingers, call yourself a Christian. Can you point out to me one place in the Bible where Jesus teaches to aid only those poor and in need that you deem to be deserving of assistance?

Anonymous said...

Singling out Nagin is one of the most pathetic tactics I've ever seen Republicans use, and this is a party that gave us Willie Horton. You all know perfectly goddamned well that if Bush had been a Democrat with that kind of sorry-ass federal response in New Orleans, you would have called for his head on a platter, so quit blowing smoke up our asses.

Anonymous said...

Oh, and by the way, Dave:

Where would I choose to live, New Orleans or Texas. New Orleans, hands down. I love that city and I love those people. Unless it was Austin, Texas, then it would be a hard choice. Otherwise, no contest.

I'll take my chances with the hurricanes.

innominatus said...

Re: Anon10:53

From 2 Thessalonians chapter 3. Try this on for size:

6In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching[a] you received from us. 7For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to make ourselves a model for you to follow. 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."

11We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat. 13And as for you, brothers, never tire of doing what is right.

14If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of him. Do not associate with him, in order that he may feel ashamed. 15Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:53, Yeah that Gov't "Bailout" is really working!, NOT!

GM, Dodge/Fiat, Bank of America, Unemployment at a 26 yr. record of 9.4% (reported) us at 12%, Another 1/2 million jobs gone last month, a Communist nation profitable from capitolism, not Liberalism) won't loan us anymore money, Home foreclosures continue to grow and we have yet to get the Tidal Wave on new unemploymnet claims via the not really Auto bailout.

Government did NOT make us the Wealthiest and most admired (look at the Millions coming here) Nation on Earth, even though we have not been around for Centuries like China and India & Europe.

Our hard working individuals did.

Scottiebill said...

Anon 11:51: Have a good trip to New Orleans. I'd like to say that we'll miss you, but that would be a blatant out and out lie.

And Anon 6:59: You are calling Daniel an "ignorant prick". Remember this: It takes one to know one, you ignorant prick.

MAX Redline said...

Singling out Nagin is a sorry excuse. Nagin was just the dumbass Mayor of New Orleans. What about the Governor? Ms. Blanco was well-named - she came up clueless.

Two Democrats whining and crying, and conspiracy theories promulgated by the Left, claiming that the feds plotted against blacks, blew up levees, yadda yadda.

Let's get real: there were no conspiracies, the feds didn't blow the levees, Blanco and Nagin are ineffectual crybabies.

LW said...

Mr. Redline, I challenge you to direct our attention to ANY reputable liberal publication or writer from the mainstream of liberal political thought in this country who agreed with the patently ridiculous statements by a very few that "the government blew up the levees." That's a bullshit, straw man argument, and if that's the best you can do, why do you even bother to comment on the topic at all?

MAX Redline said...


Widely reported. Want more? Ok. Try this:

Declaring “it's not far-fetched,” movie director Spike Lee affirmed on Friday night’s Real Time with Bill Maher on HBO, that he believes Louis Farakhan’s allegation that a levee was destroyed in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina in order to flood the nearly all-black ninth ward.

Oh, right. MSNBC, Spike, and Farrakhan aren't leftist.

As you apparently choose to remain ignorant, LW, why do you bother to comment at all?

LW said...

More straw men, Mr. Redline.

Let's deal with MSNBC first. The network did not itself make the allegation; it was merely reporting, in a single story that probably consumed no more of two minutes of air time on ONE day in a 24/7 broadcast schedule, that others had made the allegation. An obvious case of blame the messenger.

Second, Farakhan. The man's an idiot. More to the point, he's hardly representative of what I termed mainstream liberal thought in the U.S. He's a fringe figure, an obnoxious gadfly, whose relationship with the American left is hardly a cozy one. Obama, in fact, denounced and rejected Farakhan's support of his own campaign.

Finally, Spike Lee. I'm not even going to bother asking you if you have taken the time to see his film, because I strongly suspect that you haven't. What's relevant is that he did NOT allege that the government blew up the levees. He made a film that gave voice (very briefly) to those who have made those allegations, and said that he didn't find them far-fetched. What's wrong with that. Mr. Redline? Sounds to me like he's a citizen who is skeptical of the government, who doesn't trust the government. Sounds to me like what a real conservative ought to sound like.

I asked you to cite a PUBLICATION or a WRITER. You did neither, instead opting to hold up a TV network (that did not make the allegation you insinuate), a lunatic black separatist who has no broad support amongst American liberals, and a filmmaker, one who also did not explicitly say what you're suggesting he did. (And if he has, he certainly didn't say it in the source that you cited.)

Blame the messenger, straw men, etc. Once again ... why bother, Mr. Redline. You have no case. I'd say "nice try," but it really wasn't.

Anonymous said...

Saying that an obnoxious bigot like Louis Farrakhan is representative of mainstream Democrats and liberals is like saying that Daniel Miglavs is representative of mainstream Republicans. Fortuntately for the rest of us, neither of them are.