Saturday, November 24, 2007

Ballot initiative

Coming soon to a webpage near you... Ballot initiative #112! The Respect for Law Act will be available for signing online! This new program starts in January and will be front and center here. Look for it and look forward to it.

Oregonians for Immigration Reform for more info.

64 comments:

Anonymous said...

Libs on KBOO FM are suggesting they start car pooling Illegal Aliens around town after they lose their ODLs.

What I would give for some video of Pablo beating the crap out of Lupita in the back seat of some Libs VW bus.

The drivers facial expression would be priceless.

minimum wage said...

I can't wait to see how they're gonna check the signatures.

Anonymous said...

How many double signers is it going to take for signature sheets to be thrown out. Be careful Danny, the white trash drunkards that frequent your site are probably gonna forget that they signed the "Hate for Immigrants Act"

Anonymous said...

off topic but.....just goes to show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEsE2fWelkI

BEAR said...

Just waiting for the moment!

Anonymous said...

Daniel Miglavs, still perpetuating the laughable myth that he gives a shit about obeying the law ... or, at least, that he applies his "rule of law" principles consistently.

Anthony Delucca said...

I'm confused. If so many of you pro-illegal immigration anon posters (and others) dis-like Daniel, what he has to say, what others on this site have to say, and the message that the site sends......why do you show up here day in and day out?

Roger Doger said...

...why do you show up here day in and day out?

To jerk the chains of the shit head trash like you Deluggi, don't ya know?

Ferd Schnerkele said...

Anthony,

I'll tell you why I post here (occasionally, not regularly).

I feel it is important to challenge people when they are either wrong or hateful, or both.

I'm not "pro-illegal immigration." I favor more realistic immigration quotas (and yes, we have quotas for immigration. Funny how conservatives don't complain about quotas that negatively impact people of color). It's clear that there is a demand for the skills that people from Mexico seem to have in abundance (and yes, the willingness to work hard is a skill).

I frankly don't understand the complaint about businesses that make it possible to do business with them in Spanish. Heck, I don't speak much Spanish, but I'll occasionally use the Spanish option at the ATM. Does it really negatively impact your life to push "1" to have the instructions in English? How so?

If the complaints about illegal immigration were accompanied by complaints about companies shipping jobs overseas then it might be believable that this is about saving jobs. If those attacking illegal immigration didn't also make excuses for the widespread illegal behavior of the Bush administration, then it might be believable that you care about the rule of law.

Absent those, though, it really looks like this is about a dislike for brown people.

Anonymous said...

... why do you show up here day in and day out?

Um ... because the blog's host invites people to "leave your comment" maybe?

Scottiebill said...

Anonymous 11:32: Are you really that stupid, to think that any of us who frequent Daniel's site are drunks and white trash? I would rather guess that most of us here are people with good paying jobs or on an adequate pension, as I am. Just because there are people out there who do not believe as you do, and who hold different views than you, does not mean we are drunk and trash. To hold such a view of us is just plain ignorant with a wide band of stupid up and down his back. As you so adequately proved in your post.

Scottiebill said...

Ferd, I haven't really understood why we Americans, who were born and raised here, even have to put up with the English or Spanish option, such as at an ATM. If the immigrants, either legal or illegal, want to use these machines, they can damn well learn our language, rather than we having to learn theirs. And if they don't want to learn our language, they can go back to where they came from.

There are a number of Ukranians living in my neighborhood, and from what I have seen, they are doing all they can to learn our language. They realize that they are not going to change the status quo here, that they have to assimilate into our culture. They are being realistic and very good neighbors in that way. But, these illegals from south of the border are coming here with the full intention of changing our culture into theirs.

And that is just plain wrong. They are in our country. We are not in theirs.

MAX Redline said...

Be careful Danny, the white trash drunkards that frequent your site are probably gonna forget that they signed the "Hate for Immigrants Act"

Hmm. Interesting, anonymouse 113 - you're a white trash drunkard, are you? Or are you a black trash drunkard?

Anonymous said...

If Daniel wrote his congressional delegation and protested the flagrant illegality of Blackwater's "security" services in Iraq and demanded that those guys who gunned down the unarmed civilians be held fully accountable and posted a copy of his letter on this blog and encouraged others to do the same, I MIGHT believe that his "rule of law" chest-pounding was really about the rule of law.

But it isn't.

So he won't.

Anonymous said...

Maxline Headrum,

You must be that "white trash drunkard that anon was referring, yes?

Ferd Schnerkele said...

Ferd, I haven't really understood why we Americans, who were born and raised here, even have to put up with the English or Spanish option, such as at an ATM. If the immigrants, either legal or illegal, want to use these machines, they can damn well learn our language, rather than we having to learn theirs. And if they don't want to learn our language, they can go back to where they came from.

The reason is simple: Economics. Businesses have discovered that there are enough customers who like to have the option of doing their business in Spanish that it makes economic sense for them to cater to those customers.

It's a myth that in days gone by immigrants all learned English. There have long been neighborhoods in large cities where very little English was spoken.

And, you know what? In other countries businesses (and governments) have found that it makes economic sense for them to cater to people who speak English, so if you're in an airport in Germany you can get by perfectly well just with English. The same is true in much of Istanbul.

Anonymous said...

Ferd Schnerkele, 6:03 --

And if it really were about "border security" they'd be bitching and moaning just as loudly about the "twice as long and twice as porous" Canadian border as well...but they're not.

Eli Barnhardt

Anonymous said...

I have taught ESL for 20 years, here in Oregon and in Idaho. If "they" refuse to learn English, then explain to me why my classes have ALWAYS been filled beyond capacity, and with waiting lists, for those 20 years. Did it ever occur to you that English is one of the hardest languages to learn? How long do you think is "reasonable" for one to learn English? How long would it take you to learn, let's say, for example, Russian, if you moved to Russia? Honestly. And by the way, Ferd Schnerkele is right...as a life long world traveler, I get by quite well speaking English only. I spent 2 summers in a row in France and hardly uttered a French syllable. It is all about economics. Businesses, exercising their rights as participants in a FREE MARKET, are solely responsible for determining whether or not they wish to communicate in any language in addition to English. In Miglavia, are they not allowed to communicate with the Spanish speaker who is in the process of LEARNING English? Oh....and this cryptic paranoia that "they" are conspiring to change "our culture" into "thiers" makes me laugh so hard I just might pee my pants...get real! Yeah, like those evil Germans and their Oktoberfests....every year they try to turn us into Germans, plying us with their beer and sausages....boo! Made ya' flinch! ROTFLMAO...

Moondoggie

Anonymous said...

Suggestion for those who cannot restrain themselves from howling in indignant moral outrage over the choice of Press 1 for English and Press 2 for Spanish:

Press "1" and get a life.

Anonymous said...

In Woodburn, we have a pretty large Russian community and many of them don't speak a word of English, and many of their children enter Kinder with very limited English skills, but you don't hear too much howling about them...just the Mexicans. It's like they hear Spanish and they just start foaming at the mouth.

Anonymous said...

Read all the comments, had deja vu the whole time.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, in Miglavia it's always SSDD.

Ferd Schnerkele said...

To Daniel's credit, he doesn't ban people willy-nilly, as some of the Blogging Alliance of Really Conservative Oregonians (BARCO Loungers) do.

Of course, it also seems that Daniel just doesn't respond at all when his facts are challenged.

It seems a common trait among right-wingers (I don't call them "conservative" because there's very little about them that's actually conservative)--they can't face up to being wrong.

Anonymous said...

That's what I've found, Fred: A typical "response" from a Miglavian is either no response at all, or some long-winded, empty-headed variation of "So what? and "I'm right anyway."

Anthony DeLucca said...

This is for all of you folks who think that Illegal Immigration isn't a problem, and that those coming accross the border are simply looking to do the jobs that Americans refuse to do. While a majority of Illegals do come here for the money (another huge problem in itself since that money isn't being pumped back into the economy, it's being sent to Mexico and Latin America by the Billions), there is a percentage that come here to conduct driminal activity. And it's not a small percentage either. Look at the murder warrants in LA...an amazing number. Look at the percentage of inmates (almost 25%) who are Mexican Nationals. (I wonder what percentage are from other countries?)


2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or "transport coyotes".

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus "anchor babies" were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.

97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.

66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers


Those are facts. You cannot logically deny them. Now, at least one of you is going to go to the "OH YEAH! WELL LOOK AT THE MONEY SPENT ON THE IRAQ WAR!" argument. That won't fly with me. It will simply prove to me that you have no valid argument FOR illegal immigration.

Ferd Schnerkele said...

Anthony, can you cite a source for the "INS/FBI Statistical Report" you posted?

Oddly enough, if you Google that, all you get are people citing it, with no original source available.

You have to wonder about the anti-immigrant side, since they have to resort to false statistics to try to win people over.

Anonymous said...

Anthony "Imaginary Numbers Are My Friend" DeLucca:

What "liberal debate tactics" (De Lucca 10/22/07) are you employing today? Your favorite -- Number 9:

9. Make up “facts” most people don’t check them and anyway, you’ll be long gone by the time the truth is known, and so will the audience.

You crack me up DeLucca. A while back you asked why we all visit this blog. Well, one of the reasons is you, Tony. You're ego combined with your ignorance, is good for an "Archie Bunker" lunchtime laugh.

Moondoggie

Anonymous said...

The "anti-immigrant" side would increase their numbers ten-fold if their current members weren't such sphincter-clenched white-power assholes who out themselves as KKK wannabees with thier racist rants. I know, I know....race has nothing to do with it. ROTFLMAO. Yeah, that explains many of the shameless posts that are left here on practically a daily basis. All you have to do is read a couple months worth of Daniel's archives to get a clear picture of who makes up Oaf-er. I am not an "illegal immigrant-lover" (sounds like a phrase borrowed from the deep south - hmmmmmmmmmmmm) but I am not willing to associate myself with an organization that looks the other way while it's members hurl racial slurs and ugly sneers at it's demonstrations. There are so, so many of us who find this distasteful enough to decline joining OFIR, and Daniel has been their merry leader. To bad OFIR's real leader (whatshisname) allowed this to happen.

Eli Barnhardt

Anthony "Not Tony" DeLucca said...

Moondoggie:

Made up facts? These are from the INS and the FBI. How are these "Made Up"?

Did you bother to read the line where the source of the statistics is cited?

Here it is again in case you missed it the first time:

2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

By the way Eli, you're quick to assign a KKK or White Supremecist tag to the OFIR members. You do realize that they have a good number of members who aren't white don't you?

Anonymous said...

Hey Eli,

Kiss my black ass you arrogant idiot. Do not assume that everyone that reads or posts here is white and hates every other race the issue is illegal immigrants. I don't care what color or what country my tax dollars should not be paying for illegals comfort.

But for anyone to say I am a KKK wannabe is full of shit and needs to shut the hell up.

Deb

Anthony DeLucca said...

Ferd,

You're a moron if you go to google in order to find information from the "FBI/INS Statistical Report" instead of going straight to the FBI or INS website.

Research 101. Even my 12 year old could have figured that one out.

Anonymous said...

So sorry Deb, I did forget to type that crucial word "many." My bad.
Eli Barnhardt.

Anonymous said...

...and no where in my post did I say all OFIR members are white. I have been to enough meetings to know that isn't true. But I've also seen enough rallies to know that so far, only a very very very small number of OFIR members who are "other" than white show up to the demonstrations. But, that's neither here nor there. The fact is that OFIRs mission is tainted and membership is not what it could be, thanks to overt racism present on blogs like this (which OFIR links too) and at the demonstrations with signs, sneering, and slurs that seem to be just fine with OFIR leadership present at the demonstrations who do nothing to raise the bar, simply allowing the offensive signs and language and sneering behavior.

Eli Barnhardt

Anonymous said...

Provide a link or at least an exact web addresss Delucca. Even my twelve year old can figure that out.

Ferd Schnerkele said...

Made up facts? These are from the INS and the FBI. How are these "Made Up"?

There is no 2006 INS/FBI report. The INS ceased to exist on March 1, 2003. Agencies don't generally put out reports three years after they've ceased to exist.

If you go to the Snopes site you will see that this report has been shown to be bogus.

minimum wage said...

One of my sixth-grade classmates (NOT an illegal alien) turned up on the most wanted list in Albuquerque some years after he dropped out. He had already been left back twice so we all knew he wasn't headed in a good direction.

the bullshit police said...

To just follow up on Ferd, I just spent some time at the FBI site myself. Pretty interesting.

I went through the entire statistics section, including the Uniform Crime Statistics, and found nothing titled "2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants."

I did keyword searches on many of the main menu pages featuring dozens of links to reports, for the word "immigrants." Nothing.

I used the FBI search engine and looked for "immigrants." It gave me about 8-9 pages of results, and I looked at every damn last one of them. No "Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants" among them.

I used Google to search the FBI web site using several terms and phrases, including the title of this alleged report. Nothing.

Mr. DeLucca: Would you please post the URL of the FBI web page where you read the "2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants" so those of us who are interested may read it for ourselves straight from the source where you claim it originated? You've been asked a couple times now, and tap-danced your way around it: Your 12-year-old could do it, etc. Fine. Have your 12-year-old find the URL and have him/her post it here for the rest of us morons.

My next stop was going to be INS, but I see from Ferd's 5:12 post that it might be more productive to visit Snopes. Hmmm ... the plot thickens.

Anonymous said...

Hello, I would like to pose the following question to any Miglavian: How can an agency that ceased to exist in 2003 report on crime statistics from 2006? Is time travel involved somehow?

Anonymous said...

Deb-

Just cuz you are black doesn't mean you aren't a racist or that you don't sympathize with the White Supremecists, KKK, Minuteklan or whatever against the "brown people invading YOUR nation". Read the newspapers, Black Republicans have been shown to be some of the most brutal hate mongers against immigrants. And not just today-historically.

Take California: they have the looney toon Ted Hayes whom you probably just love. He proclaims he speaks for all Black Americans on immigration. A one-time poster child for the minuteklan, he speaks for the crackheads, gangbangers and anyone who would rather scapegoat immigrants than take responsibility for their own condition. Hitler and his Nazis did the same thing. Too bad for you that the Congressional Black Caucus doesn't agree with you, Teddy Hayes or the few of your racist brethren.

The truth is, hispanic immigrants be they legal or undocumented, are hardworking people and in fact do jobs that Americans won't do. They provide boucou competition in the marketplace. Why is it that conservative blacks find it so desirable to hate them?

If you want to kick in with Kooky Ted and other blacks in scapegoating a nationality of people to make your own selves feel better, so be it. Just be honest and think the next time you kick an immigrant in the face how your ancestors were treated in this country not too long ago. Maybe then, just maybe then, the light of compassion will turn on in your head for these people just trying to have a better life for their families.

Anonymous said...

On 10/22/07, Anthony "Look it up for yourself" DeLucca said (plagarized)...

O.K. In support of the Fairness Doctrine Proposal...I'm gonna be a sport and let you whiney little pansy assed liberals in on a few of your own secret debating tactics. Just to help out a few of the anon posters who are making complete dingle-berries of themselves.

Now mind you, these are in no particular order, but they will serve you well when attempting to "debate" one of us horrible "Neo-Con Fascist Assholes" as one poster so gracefully put it. So here goes:

1. Avoid factual arguments, they're usually against you anyway.

2. If for some obscure reason the facts actually fall your way (an extremely rare occurrence) then repeat them endlessly regardless of the reply of your conservative opponent. Remember time is limited, use this against him.

3. Get as personal and vicious as you can, maybe it will distract your opponent from his train of thought.

4. If you are unable to insult him with the usual insults such as “racist,” “homophobe,” or “bigot,” then insult someone else on his side (someone related to the subject under discussion is preferable but not required).

5. When you’re losing, (and you usually will be), abruptly change the subject. Again the object of this is to distract and deflect attention from your opponent’s argument.

6. Talk loudly and rapidly, don’t allow your opponent to get a word in edgewise. Remember the more time you consume, the less time your opponent will have to actually throw facts into the fray.

7. Use hyperbole as an example of your opponent’s argument and suggest that that is what they are suggesting.

8. Purposely misunderstand what is being said by your opponent and distort it into something you can use.

9. Make up “facts” most people don’t check them and anyway, you’ll be long gone by the time the truth is known, and so will the audience.

10. Expect perfection. Focus on the slightest flaw in your opponent’s argument, any kind of mistake, grammatical, spelling, contextual, anything no matter how slight is sufficient to deflect attention away from how vacuous your arguments are.

11. Act insulted. Take umbrage at the slightest contradiction and act as if it is a personal insult. This will make your personal attack seem warranted and just.

12. Mug the camera or audience while your opponent is speaking, make faces, sneering is good, head-shaking better, and looking toward the ceiling is best [notice the avoidance of the word Heaven, Liberals avoid words of a religious nature]. Let the audience know you disagree with your opponent (even if you’ve no idea what he’s saying)

13. Use condescending laughter as much as you can. It serves two purposes, first, it dismisses your opponent as being unworthy of your respect and second, it shows your contempt for his arguments. This is a very powerful tool and can really annoy your opponent and disrupt his train of thought.

14. You’re an arrogant Liberal; demonstrate your obvious intellectual superiority by acting in a condescending manner, and generally coming off as an asshole with an opinion.

15. Forget how many of the wealthiest in this nation are Liberals, (George Soros ring a bell?)always beat the drum of “Rich White Republicans” and “working class Democrats.”

16. Finally, always remember style trumps substance. Know it, Live it.

With these pearls of wisdom (yes, we're onto you) you can confidentally debate any conservative. Not effectively mind you, but you can debate them.

9:00 PM

*************************

Now, I have been keeping my eye on little Anthony since he posted these "debate tactics" and it's been hilarious to watch him use so many of these tactics! See how many you can find in today's posts alone! LOL.

Anthony, you bitch and moan constantly about "douchebags" who come here and post without backing themselves up. I guess you're Anthony "do as I say, not as I do" DeLucca.

Anonymous said...

Dear Deb:
I have to agree with Anon . You would think that you have a sensitivity to the plight of exploited human beings that is just built in to you after what your ancestors went through not so long ago. Those slaves were brought over on boats. Today's slaves are lured here by law breaking employers. And if you don't think they're lured, go to any rural town in Mexico and look in the help wanted sections of their newspapers. There are help wanted ads from practically every state in the union. Instead of using hate as your weapon why not work towards solving the illegal immigration problem from a more compassionate viewpoint -- put your energy into applying the law to the "ground zero" offender -- the employer who provides the lure of a job. They're the ones who created this mess in the first place. Instead of sneers and racist insults directed towards "Mexicans" use your words connecting with your representatives and charitable agencies to find ways to improve the quality of life for Hispanics in their respective countries. If you go to church, encourage your congregation to adopt a village in Latin America, providing them with education and opportunities to earn a living in their hometowns. Standing on a corner with a "Go Home Wetback" is a mighty good way to tell the rest of us what kind of people make up a significant portion of OAF-ir.

MW said...

Keeping in mind that DeLucca is forever bitching about "libs" who resort to "cut-and-paste" jobs as a debate strategy, look closely at the "statistics" from the FBI. Isn't it a wee bit suspicious that the FBI is compiling data on birth statistics? What's that doing in there? You didn't do a little cut-and-paste job there, did you DeLucca? Or maybe relied on some other blockhead who did? Someone who found a bunch of different numbers from various sources and (ahem) "organized" them? Did you even bother reading all of it before you posted it? LOL!!!

You're a real piece of work, DeLucca. Nice "research" job! ;-)

Anonymous said...

http://bordersense.com/legal_immigration_numbers.asp

Bobkatt said...

Eli-you couch many of your posts as if you were sympathetic to the anti-illegal problem but in reality you are just a poser. First you use the term "anti-immigrant" as though it was germane to the conversation. Second, you state that the "anti-immigrant" side are "sphincter-clenched white-power assholes...with their racist rants." Third, you infer that all the "anti-illegal aliens" that post to this blog belong to OFIR. Finally, you claim that it's members hurl racial slurs and ugly sneers at it's demonstrations. I have only been able to attend 2 rallies in Eugene and one in Salem, I have never heard any of them do either. However, I have been sworn at and flipped off by the other side and told to go back to Europe.
If you don't want to join OFIR, fine, but don't try to take the high road while smearing a whole group of different people as being sphincter-clenched white-power racist asshole KKK wannabees and expect to be taken seriously.

Ferd Schnerkele said...

Bobkatt,

Anthony Delucca pretends to post factual information -- it turns out it's bogus--why do you not have any issues with that?

In fact, many anti-immigrant bloggers have posted the same bogus information. I would say that the anti-immigrant side has a serious credibility problem.

the bullshit police said...

Anon 12:25, "facts" like that have been posted by rightwing outfits before -- and they turned out to be completely fabricated. I recall one embarrassing incident along those lines earlier this year, and it was exhaustively documented on THIS blog. The Miglavians chose to ignore it, sweep it under the rug, and move on. Which is what they'll do in this instance, as well.

Ferd: You are not exempt from being charged by the Bullshit Police. I searched Snopes, and while I found numerous references to rightwing bullshit on immigration issues, I didn't find any mention of this particular bullshit. URL please?

Ferd Schnerkele said...

Busllshit police,

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp

Debunks many of the "facts" in Anthony's post, but not the attribution of them to the "INS/FBI report".

Anonymous said...

Bobkatt: If you read all the posts you will see that I did apologize for leaving out the word "many."

I have been to three OFIR demonstrations: Woodburn,
Cornelius, Salem (one on purpose, two by coincidence. At each one, OFIR members, including Daniel, embarrassed themselves and OFIR by engaging in behaviour that was not consistant with OFIR's supposed guidelines. I could give two figs what the other side was doing, I'm not posting about them. Engaging in offenisve behaviour because "the other side is" displays lack of character. It's no excuse and you know it. That's Jr. High whining.

As for "couching," I don't see how you could read any of my posts and not know how I feel. I want to see this illegal alien problem solved, but not at the expense of our nation's collective sense humanity and fair play that is inherent to the American Way. I take offense to the kind of language that is the norm on this site, and some days it pisses me off more than others, as you can see in my post yesterday. On those days, I seem to lower myself to the common denominator here and use language that everyone can understand, lol. However, I have to admit that Daniel, at least, seems to have made a decision not to use such offensive language, he seems to be taking the correct path now, refraining from sneers and racist insults in his posts. He's on his way, especially if he recognizes more fully that he too, has cost taxpayers thousands upon thousands of dollars on his way to becoming a "good citizen" and that perhaps other human beings deserve to bask in the same grace he does. Virtual handshake, Daniel.

As for occasionally not using the right word, yes, I am guilty. I apologize for that when it happens, as I did on this thread, and others.
Eli Barnhardt

Anthony DeLucca said...

Going to this link will allow you access to all sources of data. Here you will find an abundance of Illegal Immigration numbers and statistics.

However, I'm pretty sure that no matter WHAT I put up here, you assholes will call it fake, false, "full of holes", etc.. It really gets boring, and shows your true colors, but I'll put the link up here and at least TRY to accomodate you.

http://www.immigrationcounters.com/datasource.html

Oh, by the way Eli, Not all white people who are against Illegal Immigration are racists, contrary to what you may believe.

Did you know that I have an adopted mixed race step-child? Did you know that although I was born in Sicily, and am considered by the Census Bureau and the US Gov't to be white, if you saw me in person you'd say that I was way too dark skinned to be considered "white". I'm darker than most illegal immigrants for that matter.

I do believe that you're racist against white people though. Why else would you jump to the conclusion that OFIR members are all a bunck of "Wanna Be KKK Members" and "White Supremecists"?

Ferd Schnerkely said...

Going to this link will allow you access to all sources of data. Here you will find an abundance of Illegal Immigration numbers and statistics.

No, Anthony, we're asking you for the primary source of the "INS/FBI Statistical Report".

And no, I'm not going to go hunting around the internet doing your work for you. I want a link that goes directly to that report, or at least has a link to it on the page. Again, a primary source is what I'm looking for, not some blog that's cited it.

Anonymous said...

Mr. DeLucca,

You posted data on this site and attributed the material to two sources: the INS and the FBI.

One of them, the INS, literally does not exist. But even giving you the benefit of the doubt, if this data actually did come from the federal agency that regulates immigration and it was referencing data from the first quarter of 2006, as you claim, then it would not have been a found in an INS report; it would have been from an ICE report. Not only does it seem to be a fabrication, it's a laughably clumsy one. I might say that a 12-year-old could figure it out.

The other source, the FBI, has no reference to the material anywhere on the agency's web site, even though the data is supposedly little more than a year old.

That being the case, and given that you have ignored repeated requests to post a link to the web page where the information supposedly originated, I think it is fair and appropriate to question the veracity of the data.

Anonymous said...

Oh for God's sake Anthony, I NEVER said or implied that all racists are white.

Thanks for the info on your heritage but I learned WAY back in college anthropology who falls into the "caucasian" category, and I'm sure you know that hispanics are included in that category too.

That's great that you have an adopted child. What race he or she is means jack. Having a member of your family who is of mixed race or another race altogether does not AUTOMATICALLY make you "not a racist," particularly when it is often NOT the person's choice who join's his "family tree." People don't ask permission to marry anymore. You could end up with a black brother in law thru no choice of your own, that doesn't automatically absolve you from being called out on racist behavior. That's a big load of b.s. Both sides of my family are BIG and I mean BIG. I've got a couple of examples from both sides where one spouse is Anglo and the other spouse isn't and the racism is thick enough to spread on bread. I have a couple of cousins who have a Mexican mother who married into our Irish family. My uncle is about as neo-con as you can get and the biggest prick in town. He spends his evenings at the local dive saying the most foul things about Mexicans you have ever heard, not even suitable for this blog. He doesn't spare his kids either and now they hate him and rightly so. My paternal grandmother, may she RIP, was one of the biggest bigots I have EVER known, but you wouldn't know it by her community and church standing. The epitomy of a "church lady" but festering with racial hatred on the inside. She got hers though, God saw to it that she ended up with a Mexican and Japanese daughters-in-law, two gay grandchildren, three mixed race grandchildren and two great-grandbabies with black mothers. To stand behind your family members and or friends and say "lookie here, I got me a fill-in-the-blank as my relative/in-law/best friend so I ain't no racist" is a bunch of crap, we've heard it here before. Do you remember Schindler's List? Remember the NAZI with a Jewish housemaid? Im not comparing in any way but it is a good reference point to the type of personality who absolves themselves of racism by pointing to the minorities they "tolerate" in their lives.

And finally, if you would have bothered to look, as I mentioned before, I did apologize at 4:24 for my mistake in leaving out the word "many" in my assessment that a significant portion of the "anti-immigrant side" (also another mistake as I should have said anti-illegal immigration) can't seem to control their compulsion for racial epithets, slurs, and sneers and bullying. NOWHERE IN THAT SENTENCE DID I SAY OFIR MEMBERS. I said the "anti-immigration side." PERIOD(which is yet another error, since I should have said "anti-illegal immigration side"). I did, however, mentioned OFIR later on the post. Read, comprehend, then react. Deb didn't and neither did you.

When I did mention OFIR members at the end of my post it was in reference to the behaviour at demonstrations and the language in OFIR sanctioned blogs such as this one (although Daniel has reigned in his own personal rhetoric lately). Do many OFIR members resemble the folks I described at the beginnning of my post? Yes. Many do. And OFIR leadership accepts these people and their racist compulsions with a wink and a nod. It is because of this, that I decided against joining OFIR.

And Tony, you closed your post with a comment that you think I am a bigot against whites. I'll just borrow from your handbook and use your same excuse. "How can I be racist against whites? Most of the members of my family are white!"

I don't harbour bigotry towards "whites," to borrow your phraseology. I do however, have a real problem with "whites" that are bigots.

Eli Barnhardt

Anonymous said...

Wow, this issue has really brought the hate-America crowd out in force. They loudly proclaim the anti-illegal immigration activists are racists while diligently defending the foreign invaders. Yes, yes the hate –America crowd... the relentless defenders of “minorities”, all while turning a blind eye to the fact that foreign invaders are slaughtering their own countrymen. One could almost conclude that it is not the love of minorities, but rather, hate for America that motivate the hate-America crowd; hence the name.

No One Here Gets Out Alive
The Mexican Mafia’s racial cleansing campaign targets L.A.

In the words of the Rev, K.W. Tulloss, “the nightmare has come true.” Federal indictments unsealed on October 16 allege that leaders of the Florenza 13 (F 13s) gang acted on orders from the Mexican Mafia to cleanse their neighborhoods of African-American gang and non-gang members. “The most disturbing aspect is that gang members allegedly engaged in a series of attacks … that extended to innocent citizens who ended up being shot simply because of the color of their skin,” said U.S. Attorney Thomas P. O’Brien.

http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=6457&IssueNum=231

L.A. Blackout
Acting on orders from the Mexican Mafia, Latino gang members in Southern California are terrorizing and killing blacks.
by Brentin Mock

LOS ANGELES, Calif. -- Ascending the steep steps that lead from the street to the scene of her son's murder, 47-year-old Louisa Prudhomme is charged by a Doberman Pinscher.
Prudhomme reaches over a gate and gives the guard dog a rough pat on the head.

"Sam doesn't seem to remember me," she says.

What Prudhomme will never forget is that just past the snarling Doberman is the apartment on a hill where six years ago her 21-year-old son Anthony was shot in the face with a .25-caliber semi-automatic while lying on a futon she had purchased for him from IKEA. He died wearing a shirt that read, "Keep the Peace."

Anthony Prudhomme was slain by members of the Avenues, a Latino street gang. But he was not a rival gang member, or a police informant, or a drug dealer. The Avenues did not target him for the content of his character, or even the contents of his apartment.

They targeted him for the color of his skin.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=722

Anonymous said...

I propose from here on out, the Miglavian of the hour be forever referred to as: Anthony "INS/FBI Statistical Report" DeLucca.

Anonymous said...

I have not defended illegal immigration. I am against it. However, I am also against the vulgar way in which many approach the problem. Racist rhetoric, crude language, sneers and slurs, intimidating and bullying. Don't even try and tell me in person that I "hate America." Punk.

Eli Barnhardt

Anonymous said...

Eli hates America.....all you have to do is read one the many pro illegal immigration rants she posts. Eli "traitor" Barnhardt should be your new tag.

Anonymous said...

I have concluded, after many years of watching and participating in political debate, that anyone who resorts to the "you-hate-America" argument is, quite simply, a fucking idiot. There is absolutely no point whatsoever in engaging them.

R Huse said...

You might have a point, at least to the extent that the person making the accusation cant give concrete reasons for which assess that hatred of America.. I pretty much feel the same way about people who jump right away to the "unless you agree with me, you are a racist" form of argument. Its ridiculous and most likely based upon that own persons obsession with race, or demonizing the opponent. Either way, it certainly speaks to a lack of reasoning ability.

Ferd Scherkele said...

I pretty much feel the same way about people who jump right away to the "unless you agree with me, you are a racist" form of argument.

Who has actually said that?

I know that the right is a little touchy about the racism tag, since they've long been associated with racists, from their support of segregation to Reagan's starting his Presidential campaign with a "states' rights" speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi (where three civil rights workers had been murdered) to the Willy Horton ad of the 1988 Bush campaign to Jesse Helms' ads playing to racial fears.

And, lets face it, some in the anti-immigrant crowd is playing to racial fears as well, using any crime committed by a Hispanic as a club against all people of Hispanic descent, and they seem to be only concerned about immigration from Mexico.

Anonymous said...

Haha, too funny, just as the racists defend their actions by saying, "I'm not racist", the hate America crowd insist they don't hate America; they just don't know what to do when information from liberal organizations shows the hate America crowd just how wrong they are. Poor pathetic racist anarchist goons, it looks like you have shit on your face, as if that is a surprise.

R Huse said...

Ferd - I pretty much feel just about everyone from the pro-illegals side has said that. Are you serious on this one?

>"I know that the right is a little touchy about the racism tag, since they've long been associated with racists, from their support of segregation "

Well, I wouldn't go that far. Lets face it, the segregationists were largely Democrats in the south. Lets also face the fact that Democrats, with Al Gore senior as the leader of the opposition to the civil rights act, voted in a larger percentage against that act than Republicans. Lets also face it that it was largely Nixon who put teeth into the EEOC.

>"Willy Horton ad of the 1988 Bush campaign to Jesse Helms' ads playing to racial fears."

Well, it was Al Gore who initially used Willy Horton in an ad in the primary, but true, Bush was the first to use a picture. At the end of the day though its a little racist to say its a racist ad. Horton was a scary looking individual, and that was hardely because he was black. The guy never should have been let out of prison on the furlough program.

True, I suppose Jesse maybe played to racial fears, but nothing like on the level of Al Sharpton, noted Democrat, who started more than his fair share of race riots that resulted in actual deaths, something I don't think Jesse can even touch. Oh and I guess there is that matter of the Democrats having an ex Klansman in the Senate.

>"And, lets face it, some in the anti-immigrant crowd is playing to racial fears as well, using any crime committed by a Hispanic"

Sure, but lets also face it, the pro illegals crowd is also playing to racial fears. Who has the most racist banners in their protests? Who is supported by overtly racist groups? The pro illegal side. That's what turned the tide against the amnesty bill in large part, at least in my opinion. People saw those demonstrations and were pretty turned off. That's why they changed the banners in the second go round, to no avail thankfully.

Lets also face facts that this country has a huge problem with crime committed by illegals. Huge. When 20 - 25% of the federal prison space is used by illegals, then concern about crime committed by them is hardly a racist one.

Ferd Schernkele said...

Lets face it, the segregationists were largely Democrats in the south.

Right. Who became Republicans, after LBJ pushed through the Civil Rights Acts and Barry Goldwater opposed them.

Ferd - I pretty much feel just about everyone from the pro-illegals side has said that. Are you serious on this one?

Yes, I'm serious. Give some examples.

R Huse said...

>Right. Who became Republicans, after LBJ pushed through the Civil Rights

Really? Lemme see now, big flap about Confederate flag over SC capitol, Democrats used it to bash Republicans in 2000, hmmm, who put it up? Oh yeah, Fritz Hollings, Former Governor, former Senator, Democrat South Carolina. Nuff said on that one. Look, my family is from the South, so I have spent more than my fair share of time down there. If you are going to tell me that all the segregationists switched to the Republican part after LBJ? Whoooo boy do you have a tough road to hoe on that one. The South never forgave Lincoln, Republican, and if you think they aren't still fighting the Civil War, you might want to take a visit there.

Look, the fact is members of both parties have done or said racist things in the past. The difference is Democrats get no where near the hang time in the press when they misstep. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Christopher Dodd, Robert Byrd all are viable politically. Think it would be the same if they weren't Democrats? I sure doubt it.

>Yes, I'm serious. Give some examples.

Just go through the blog and read the endless replies where for some reason the word "illegal" mysteriously gets dropped and the person says essentially "all the people who oppose immigration do so because of racist reasons". You will then find this followed by "Im not against immigration, what part of illegal don't you understand?". Followed by "you are all racists". I mean its pretty endless, to miss it is to be purposefully obtuse.

Ferd Schnerkele said...

Really? Lemme see now, big flap about Confederate flag over SC capitol, Democrats used it to bash Republicans in 2000, hmmm, who put it up? Oh yeah, Fritz Hollings, Former Governor, former Senator, Democrat South Carolina. Nuff said on that one.

First of all, it's great that a righty is finally acknowledging that the Confederate Battle Flag is a racist symbol.

Second, the Democratic Party in the south was the conservative party up until the 70s. That's a part of the history of the Democratic Party that is nothing to be proud of.

But folks like Strom Thurmond switched to the Republican Party in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.

If you are going to tell me that all the segregationists switched to the Republican part after LBJ?

No, some of them became pro-desegregationists, like Fritz Hollings.

Whoooo boy do you have a tough road to hoe on that one.

You hoe rows, not roads.

Just go through the blog and read the endless replies where for some reason the word "illegal" mysteriously gets dropped and the person says essentially "all the people who oppose immigration do so because of racist reasons".

Give me examples. I'm not going to do your work for you. I'm tired of your "I know you are, but what am I?" game. Until you back up your statements with evidence, you have no credibility.