tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post6847304059238691043..comments2024-02-19T00:14:24.293-08:00Comments on Daniel's political musings: Ballot initiativeDanielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14946233454014389006noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-417108373380612302007-11-28T21:15:00.000-08:002007-11-28T21:15:00.000-08:00Really? Lemme see now, big flap about Confederate ...<I>Really? Lemme see now, big flap about Confederate flag over SC capitol, Democrats used it to bash Republicans in 2000, hmmm, who put it up? Oh yeah, Fritz Hollings, Former Governor, former Senator, Democrat South Carolina. Nuff said on that one.</I><BR/><BR/>First of all, it's great that a righty is finally acknowledging that the Confederate Battle Flag is a racist symbol.<BR/><BR/>Second, the Democratic Party in the south was the <I>conservative</I> party up until the 70s. That's a part of the history of the Democratic Party that is nothing to be proud of.<BR/><BR/>But folks like Strom Thurmond switched to the Republican Party in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.<BR/><BR/><I>If you are going to tell me that all the segregationists switched to the Republican part after LBJ?</I><BR/><BR/>No, some of them became pro-desegregationists, like Fritz Hollings.<BR/><BR/><I>Whoooo boy do you have a tough road to hoe on that one.</I><BR/><BR/>You hoe <I>rows</I>, not roads. <BR/><BR/><I>Just go through the blog and read the endless replies where for some reason the word "illegal" mysteriously gets dropped and the person says essentially "all the people who oppose immigration do so because of racist reasons".</I><BR/><BR/>Give me examples. I'm not going to do your work for you. I'm tired of your "I know you are, but what am I?" game. Until you back up your statements with evidence, you have no credibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-70977613181978739412007-11-28T19:36:00.000-08:002007-11-28T19:36:00.000-08:00>Right. Who became Republicans, after LBJ pushed t...>Right. Who became Republicans, after LBJ pushed through the Civil Rights <BR/><BR/>Really? Lemme see now, big flap about Confederate flag over SC capitol, Democrats used it to bash Republicans in 2000, hmmm, who put it up? Oh yeah, Fritz Hollings, Former Governor, former Senator, Democrat South Carolina. Nuff said on that one. Look, my family is from the South, so I have spent more than my fair share of time down there. If you are going to tell me that all the segregationists switched to the Republican part after LBJ? Whoooo boy do you have a tough road to hoe on that one. The South never forgave Lincoln, Republican, and if you think they aren't still fighting the Civil War, you might want to take a visit there. <BR/><BR/>Look, the fact is members of both parties have done or said racist things in the past. The difference is Democrats get no where near the hang time in the press when they misstep. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Christopher Dodd, Robert Byrd all are viable politically. Think it would be the same if they weren't Democrats? I sure doubt it.<BR/><BR/>>Yes, I'm serious. Give some examples.<BR/><BR/>Just go through the blog and read the endless replies where for some reason the word "illegal" mysteriously gets dropped and the person says essentially "all the people who oppose immigration do so because of racist reasons". You will then find this followed by "Im not against immigration, what part of illegal don't you understand?". Followed by "you are all racists". I mean its pretty endless, to miss it is to be purposefully obtuse.R Husehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05574766285435736911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-29477572385777015722007-11-28T18:23:00.000-08:002007-11-28T18:23:00.000-08:00Lets face it, the segregationists were largely Dem...<I> Lets face it, the segregationists were largely Democrats in the south.</I><BR/><BR/>Right. Who became Republicans, after LBJ pushed through the Civil Rights Acts and Barry Goldwater opposed them.<BR/><BR/><I>Ferd - I pretty much feel just about everyone from the pro-illegals side has said that. Are you serious on this one?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, I'm serious. Give some examples.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-39232951283819947372007-11-28T17:48:00.000-08:002007-11-28T17:48:00.000-08:00Ferd - I pretty much feel just about everyone from...Ferd - I pretty much feel just about everyone from the pro-illegals side has said that. Are you serious on this one?<BR/><BR/>>"I know that the right is a little touchy about the racism tag, since they've long been associated with racists, from their support of segregation "<BR/><BR/>Well, I wouldn't go that far. Lets face it, the segregationists were largely Democrats in the south. Lets also face the fact that Democrats, with Al Gore senior as the leader of the opposition to the civil rights act, voted in a larger percentage against that act than Republicans. Lets also face it that it was largely Nixon who put teeth into the EEOC.<BR/><BR/>>"Willy Horton ad of the 1988 Bush campaign to Jesse Helms' ads playing to racial fears."<BR/><BR/>Well, it was Al Gore who initially used Willy Horton in an ad in the primary, but true, Bush was the first to use a picture. At the end of the day though its a little racist to say its a racist ad. Horton was a scary looking individual, and that was hardely because he was black. The guy never should have been let out of prison on the furlough program. <BR/><BR/>True, I suppose Jesse maybe played to racial fears, but nothing like on the level of Al Sharpton, noted Democrat, who started more than his fair share of race riots that resulted in actual deaths, something I don't think Jesse can even touch. Oh and I guess there is that matter of the Democrats having an ex Klansman in the Senate. <BR/><BR/>>"And, lets face it, some in the anti-immigrant crowd is playing to racial fears as well, using any crime committed by a Hispanic"<BR/><BR/>Sure, but lets also face it, the pro illegals crowd is also playing to racial fears. Who has the most racist banners in their protests? Who is supported by overtly racist groups? The pro illegal side. That's what turned the tide against the amnesty bill in large part, at least in my opinion. People saw those demonstrations and were pretty turned off. That's why they changed the banners in the second go round, to no avail thankfully.<BR/><BR/>Lets also face facts that this country has a huge problem with crime committed by illegals. Huge. When 20 - 25% of the federal prison space is used by illegals, then concern about crime committed by them is hardly a racist one.R Husehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05574766285435736911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-17788244959758253582007-11-28T11:38:00.000-08:002007-11-28T11:38:00.000-08:00Haha, too funny, just as the racists defend their ...Haha, too funny, just as the racists defend their actions by saying, "I'm not racist", the hate America crowd insist they don't hate America; they just don't know what to do when information from liberal organizations shows the hate America crowd just how wrong they are. Poor pathetic racist anarchist goons, it looks like you have shit on your face, as if that is a surprise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-41617997663906049792007-11-28T11:10:00.000-08:002007-11-28T11:10:00.000-08:00I pretty much feel the same way about people who j...<I> I pretty much feel the same way about people who jump right away to the "unless you agree with me, you are a racist" form of argument.</I><BR/><BR/>Who has actually said that?<BR/><BR/>I know that the right is a little touchy about the racism tag, since they've long been associated with racists, from their support of segregation to Reagan's starting his Presidential campaign with a "states' rights" speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi (where three civil rights workers had been murdered) to the Willy Horton ad of the 1988 Bush campaign to Jesse Helms' ads playing to racial fears.<BR/><BR/>And, lets face it, some in the anti-immigrant crowd is playing to racial fears as well, using any crime committed by a Hispanic as a club against all people of Hispanic descent, and they seem to be <I>only</I> concerned about immigration from Mexico.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-29680898565121325892007-11-28T08:01:00.000-08:002007-11-28T08:01:00.000-08:00You might have a point, at least to the extent tha...You might have a point, at least to the extent that the person making the accusation cant give concrete reasons for which assess that hatred of America.. I pretty much feel the same way about people who jump right away to the "unless you agree with me, you are a racist" form of argument. Its ridiculous and most likely based upon that own persons obsession with race, or demonizing the opponent. Either way, it certainly speaks to a lack of reasoning ability.R Husehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05574766285435736911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-23888638437796011252007-11-28T07:24:00.000-08:002007-11-28T07:24:00.000-08:00I have concluded, after many years of watching and...I have concluded, after many years of watching and participating in political debate, that anyone who resorts to the "you-hate-America" argument is, quite simply, a fucking idiot. There is absolutely <I>no point whatsoever</I> in engaging them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-65951355269817951242007-11-28T00:15:00.000-08:002007-11-28T00:15:00.000-08:00Eli hates America.....all you have to do is read o...Eli hates America.....all you have to do is read one the many pro illegal immigration rants she posts. Eli "traitor" Barnhardt should be your new tag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-49333374607602610902007-11-27T22:26:00.000-08:002007-11-27T22:26:00.000-08:00I have not defended illegal immigration. I am agai...I have not defended illegal immigration. I am against it. However, I am also against the vulgar way in which many approach the problem. Racist rhetoric, crude language, sneers and slurs, intimidating and bullying. Don't even try and tell me in person that I "hate America." Punk.<BR/><BR/>Eli BarnhardtAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-85712591456525998932007-11-27T21:41:00.000-08:002007-11-27T21:41:00.000-08:00I propose from here on out, the Miglavian of the h...I propose from here on out, the Miglavian of the hour be forever referred to as: Anthony "INS/FBI Statistical Report" DeLucca.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-54192060493143321092007-11-27T21:39:00.000-08:002007-11-27T21:39:00.000-08:00Wow, this issue has really brought the hate-Americ...Wow, this issue has really brought the hate-America crowd out in force. They loudly proclaim the anti-illegal immigration activists are racists while diligently defending the foreign invaders. Yes, yes the hate –America crowd... the relentless defenders of “minorities”, all while turning a blind eye to the fact that foreign invaders are slaughtering their own countrymen. One could almost conclude that it is not the love of minorities, but rather, hate for America that motivate the hate-America crowd; hence the name.<BR/><BR/>No One Here Gets Out Alive<BR/>The Mexican Mafia’s racial cleansing campaign targets L.A.<BR/><BR/>In the words of the Rev, K.W. Tulloss, “the nightmare has come true.” Federal indictments unsealed on October 16 allege that leaders of the Florenza 13 (F 13s) gang acted on orders from the Mexican Mafia to cleanse their neighborhoods of African-American gang and non-gang members. “The most disturbing aspect is that gang members allegedly engaged in a series of attacks … that extended to innocent citizens who ended up being shot simply because of the color of their skin,” said U.S. Attorney Thomas P. O’Brien. <BR/><BR/>http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=6457&IssueNum=231<BR/><BR/>L.A. Blackout<BR/>Acting on orders from the Mexican Mafia, Latino gang members in Southern California are terrorizing and killing blacks.<BR/>by Brentin Mock<BR/><BR/>LOS ANGELES, Calif. -- Ascending the steep steps that lead from the street to the scene of her son's murder, 47-year-old Louisa Prudhomme is charged by a Doberman Pinscher. <BR/>Prudhomme reaches over a gate and gives the guard dog a rough pat on the head. <BR/><BR/>"Sam doesn't seem to remember me," she says. <BR/><BR/>What Prudhomme will never forget is that just past the snarling Doberman is the apartment on a hill where six years ago her 21-year-old son Anthony was shot in the face with a .25-caliber semi-automatic while lying on a futon she had purchased for him from IKEA. He died wearing a shirt that read, "Keep the Peace." <BR/><BR/>Anthony Prudhomme was slain by members of the Avenues, a Latino street gang. But he was not a rival gang member, or a police informant, or a drug dealer. The Avenues did not target him for the content of his character, or even the contents of his apartment. <BR/><BR/>They targeted him for the color of his skin. <BR/><BR/>http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=722Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-61799627001818139792007-11-27T14:05:00.000-08:002007-11-27T14:05:00.000-08:00Oh for God's sake Anthony, I NEVER said or implied...Oh for God's sake Anthony, I NEVER said or implied that all racists are white.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the info on your heritage but I learned WAY back in college anthropology who falls into the "caucasian" category, and I'm sure you know that hispanics are included in that category too.<BR/><BR/>That's great that you have an adopted child. What race he or she is means jack. Having a member of your family who is of mixed race or another race altogether does not AUTOMATICALLY make you "not a racist," particularly when it is often NOT the person's choice who join's his "family tree." People don't ask permission to marry anymore. You could end up with a black brother in law thru no choice of your own, that doesn't automatically absolve you from being called out on racist behavior. That's a big load of b.s. Both sides of my family are BIG and I mean BIG. I've got a couple of examples from both sides where one spouse is Anglo and the other spouse isn't and the racism is thick enough to spread on bread. I have a couple of cousins who have a Mexican mother who married into our Irish family. My uncle is about as neo-con as you can get and the biggest prick in town. He spends his evenings at the local dive saying the most foul things about Mexicans you have ever heard, not even suitable for this blog. He doesn't spare his kids either and now they hate him and rightly so. My paternal grandmother, may she RIP, was one of the biggest bigots I have EVER known, but you wouldn't know it by her community and church standing. The epitomy of a "church lady" but festering with racial hatred on the inside. She got hers though, God saw to it that she ended up with a Mexican and Japanese daughters-in-law, two gay grandchildren, three mixed race grandchildren and two great-grandbabies with black mothers. To stand behind your family members and or friends and say "lookie here, I got me a fill-in-the-blank as my relative/in-law/best friend so I ain't no racist" is a bunch of crap, we've heard it here before. Do you remember Schindler's List? Remember the NAZI with a Jewish housemaid? Im not comparing in any way but it is a good reference point to the type of personality who absolves themselves of racism by pointing to the minorities they "tolerate" in their lives.<BR/><BR/>And finally, if you would have bothered to look, as I mentioned before, I did apologize at 4:24 for my mistake in leaving out the word "many" in my assessment that a significant portion of the "anti-immigrant side" (also another mistake as I should have said anti-illegal immigration) can't seem to control their compulsion for racial epithets, slurs, and sneers and bullying. NOWHERE IN THAT SENTENCE DID I SAY OFIR MEMBERS. I said the "anti-immigration side." PERIOD(which is yet another error, since I should have said "anti-illegal immigration side"). I did, however, mentioned OFIR later on the post. Read, comprehend, then react. Deb didn't and neither did you.<BR/><BR/>When I did mention OFIR members at the end of my post it was in reference to the behaviour at demonstrations and the language in OFIR sanctioned blogs such as this one (although Daniel has reigned in his own personal rhetoric lately). Do many OFIR members resemble the folks I described at the beginnning of my post? Yes. Many do. And OFIR leadership accepts these people and their racist compulsions with a wink and a nod. It is because of this, that I decided against joining OFIR. <BR/><BR/>And Tony, you closed your post with a comment that you think I am a bigot against whites. I'll just borrow from your handbook and use your same excuse. "How can I be racist against whites? Most of the members of my family are white!"<BR/><BR/>I don't harbour bigotry towards "whites," to borrow your phraseology. I do however, have a real problem with "whites" that are bigots.<BR/><BR/>Eli BarnhardtAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-67318493596034455762007-11-27T10:59:00.001-08:002007-11-27T10:59:00.001-08:00Mr. DeLucca, You posted data on this site and attr...Mr. DeLucca, <BR/><BR/>You posted data on this site and attributed the material to two sources: the INS and the FBI.<BR/><BR/>One of them, the INS, literally does not exist. But even giving you the benefit of the doubt, if this data actually did come from the federal agency that regulates immigration and it was referencing data from the first quarter of 2006, as you claim, then it would not have been a found in an INS report; it would have been from an ICE report. Not only does it seem to be a fabrication, it's a laughably clumsy one. I might say that a 12-year-old could figure it out. <BR/><BR/>The other source, the FBI, has <I>no reference to the material anywhere on the agency's web site</I>, even though the data is supposedly little more than a year old. <BR/><BR/>That being the case, and given that you have ignored repeated requests to post a link to the web page where the information supposedly <I>originated</I>, I think it is fair and appropriate to question the veracity of the data.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-35068796007573994462007-11-27T10:59:00.000-08:002007-11-27T10:59:00.000-08:00Going to this link will allow you access to all so...<I>Going to this link will allow you access to all sources of data. Here you will find an abundance of Illegal Immigration numbers and statistics.</I><BR/><BR/>No, Anthony, we're asking you for the <I>primary</I> source of the "INS/FBI Statistical Report".<BR/><BR/>And no, I'm not going to go hunting around the internet doing your work for you. I want a link that goes directly to that report, or at least has a link to it on the page. Again, a <I>primary</I> source is what I'm looking for, not some blog that's cited it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-50729393902102326172007-11-27T10:38:00.000-08:002007-11-27T10:38:00.000-08:00Going to this link will allow you access to all so...Going to this link will allow you access to all sources of data. Here you will find an abundance of Illegal Immigration numbers and statistics.<BR/><BR/>However, I'm pretty sure that no matter WHAT I put up here, you assholes will call it fake, false, "full of holes", etc.. It really gets boring, and shows your true colors, but I'll put the link up here and at least TRY to accomodate you.<BR/><BR/>http://www.immigrationcounters.com/datasource.html<BR/><BR/>Oh, by the way Eli, Not all white people who are against Illegal Immigration are racists, contrary to what you may believe. <BR/><BR/>Did you know that I have an adopted mixed race step-child? Did you know that although I was born in Sicily, and am considered by the Census Bureau and the US Gov't to be white, if you saw me in person you'd say that I was way too dark skinned to be considered "white". I'm darker than most illegal immigrants for that matter.<BR/><BR/>I do believe that you're racist against white people though. Why else would you jump to the conclusion that OFIR members are all a bunck of "Wanna Be KKK Members" and "White Supremecists"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-29142012504776297592007-11-27T08:26:00.000-08:002007-11-27T08:26:00.000-08:00Bobkatt: If you read all the posts you will see th...Bobkatt: If you read all the posts you will see that I did apologize for leaving out the word "many."<BR/><BR/>I have been to three OFIR demonstrations: Woodburn, <BR/>Cornelius, Salem (one on purpose, two by coincidence. At each one, OFIR members, including Daniel, embarrassed themselves and OFIR by engaging in behaviour that was not consistant with OFIR's supposed guidelines. I could give two figs what the other side was doing, I'm not posting about them. Engaging in offenisve behaviour because "the other side is" displays lack of character. It's no excuse and you know it. That's Jr. High whining.<BR/><BR/>As for "couching," I don't see how you could read any of my posts and not know how I feel. I want to see this illegal alien problem solved, but not at the expense of our nation's collective sense humanity and fair play that is inherent to the American Way. I take offense to the kind of language that is the norm on this site, and some days it pisses me off more than others, as you can see in my post yesterday. On those days, I seem to lower myself to the common denominator here and use language that everyone can understand, lol. However, I have to admit that Daniel, at least, seems to have made a decision not to use such offensive language, he seems to be taking the correct path now, refraining from sneers and racist insults in his posts. He's on his way, especially if he recognizes more fully that he too, has cost taxpayers thousands upon thousands of dollars on his way to becoming a "good citizen" and that perhaps other human beings deserve to bask in the same grace he does. Virtual handshake, Daniel.<BR/><BR/>As for occasionally not using the right word, yes, I am guilty. I apologize for that when it happens, as I did on this thread, and others.<BR/>Eli BarnhardtAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-32059093703420741442007-11-27T08:06:00.000-08:002007-11-27T08:06:00.000-08:00Busllshit police,http://www.snopes.com/politics/im...Busllshit police,<BR/><BR/>http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp<BR/><BR/>Debunks many of the "facts" in Anthony's post, but not the attribution of them to the "INS/FBI report".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-23024724149969610752007-11-27T07:28:00.000-08:002007-11-27T07:28:00.000-08:00Anon 12:25, "facts" like that have been posted by ...Anon 12:25, "facts" like that have been posted by rightwing outfits before -- and they turned out to be completely fabricated. I recall one embarrassing incident along those lines earlier this year, and it was exhaustively documented on THIS blog. The Miglavians chose to ignore it, sweep it under the rug, and move on. Which is what they'll do in this instance, as well.<BR/><BR/>Ferd: You are not exempt from being charged by the Bullshit Police. I searched Snopes, and while I found numerous references to rightwing bullshit on immigration issues, I didn't find any mention of this particular bullshit. URL please?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-74653418031282784112007-11-27T06:33:00.000-08:002007-11-27T06:33:00.000-08:00Bobkatt,Anthony Delucca pretends to post factual i...Bobkatt,<BR/><BR/>Anthony Delucca pretends to post factual information -- it turns out it's bogus--why do you not have any issues with that?<BR/><BR/>In fact, many anti-immigrant bloggers have posted the same bogus information. I would say that the anti-immigrant side has a serious credibility problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-62862725006701202722007-11-27T02:27:00.000-08:002007-11-27T02:27:00.000-08:00Eli-you couch many of your posts as if you were sy...Eli-you couch many of your posts as if you were sympathetic to the anti-illegal problem but in reality you are just a poser. First you use the term "anti-immigrant" as though it was germane to the conversation. Second, you state that the "anti-immigrant" side are "sphincter-clenched white-power assholes...with their racist rants." Third, you infer that all the "anti-illegal aliens" that post to this blog belong to OFIR. Finally, you claim that it's members hurl racial slurs and ugly sneers at it's demonstrations. I have only been able to attend 2 rallies in Eugene and one in Salem, I have never heard any of them do either. However, I have been sworn at and flipped off by the other side and told to go back to Europe.<BR/>If you don't want to join OFIR, fine, but don't try to take the high road while smearing a whole group of different people as being sphincter-clenched white-power racist asshole KKK wannabees and expect to be taken seriously.Bobkatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388159713103123175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-3494672512724090842007-11-27T00:25:00.000-08:002007-11-27T00:25:00.000-08:00http://bordersense.com/legal_immigration_numbers.a...http://bordersense.com/legal_immigration_numbers.aspAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-61039898551613505392007-11-26T22:48:00.000-08:002007-11-26T22:48:00.000-08:00Keeping in mind that DeLucca is forever bitching a...Keeping in mind that DeLucca is forever bitching about "libs" who resort to "cut-and-paste" jobs as a debate strategy, look closely at the "statistics" from the FBI. Isn't it a wee bit suspicious that the <I>FBI</I> is compiling data on <I>birth statistics</I>? What's that doing in there? You didn't do a little cut-and-paste job there, did you DeLucca? Or maybe relied on some other blockhead who did? Someone who found a bunch of different numbers from various sources and (ahem) "organized" them? Did you even bother reading all of it before you posted it? LOL!!!<BR/><BR/>You're a real piece of work, DeLucca. Nice "research" job! ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-39372362951356837612007-11-26T22:33:00.000-08:002007-11-26T22:33:00.000-08:00Dear Deb: I have to agree with Anon . You wou...Dear Deb: <BR/>I have to agree with Anon . You would think that you have a sensitivity to the plight of exploited human beings that is just built in to you after what your ancestors went through not so long ago. Those slaves were brought over on boats. Today's slaves are lured here by law breaking employers. And if you don't think they're lured, go to any rural town in Mexico and look in the help wanted sections of their newspapers. There are help wanted ads from practically every state in the union. Instead of using hate as your weapon why not work towards solving the illegal immigration problem from a more compassionate viewpoint -- put your energy into applying the law to the "ground zero" offender -- the employer who provides the lure of a job. They're the ones who created this mess in the first place. Instead of sneers and racist insults directed towards "Mexicans" use your words connecting with your representatives and charitable agencies to find ways to improve the quality of life for Hispanics in their respective countries. If you go to church, encourage your congregation to adopt a village in Latin America, providing them with education and opportunities to earn a living in their hometowns. Standing on a corner with a "Go Home Wetback" is a mighty good way to tell the rest of us what kind of people make up a significant portion of OAF-ir.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11266150.post-32519000197558616582007-11-26T22:22:00.000-08:002007-11-26T22:22:00.000-08:00On 10/22/07, Anthony "Look it up for yourself" DeL...On 10/22/07, Anthony "Look it up for yourself" DeLucca said (plagarized)... <BR/><BR/>O.K. In support of the Fairness Doctrine Proposal...I'm gonna be a sport and let you whiney little pansy assed liberals in on a few of your own secret debating tactics. Just to help out a few of the anon posters who are making complete dingle-berries of themselves.<BR/><BR/>Now mind you, these are in no particular order, but they will serve you well when attempting to "debate" one of us horrible "Neo-Con Fascist Assholes" as one poster so gracefully put it. So here goes:<BR/><BR/>1. Avoid factual arguments, they're usually against you anyway.<BR/><BR/>2. If for some obscure reason the facts actually fall your way (an extremely rare occurrence) then repeat them endlessly regardless of the reply of your conservative opponent. Remember time is limited, use this against him.<BR/><BR/>3. Get as personal and vicious as you can, maybe it will distract your opponent from his train of thought.<BR/><BR/>4. If you are unable to insult him with the usual insults such as “racist,” “homophobe,” or “bigot,” then insult someone else on his side (someone related to the subject under discussion is preferable but not required).<BR/><BR/>5. When you’re losing, (and you usually will be), abruptly change the subject. Again the object of this is to distract and deflect attention from your opponent’s argument.<BR/><BR/>6. Talk loudly and rapidly, don’t allow your opponent to get a word in edgewise. Remember the more time you consume, the less time your opponent will have to actually throw facts into the fray.<BR/><BR/>7. Use hyperbole as an example of your opponent’s argument and suggest that that is what they are suggesting.<BR/><BR/>8. Purposely misunderstand what is being said by your opponent and distort it into something you can use.<BR/><BR/>9. Make up “facts” most people don’t check them and anyway, you’ll be long gone by the time the truth is known, and so will the audience.<BR/><BR/>10. Expect perfection. Focus on the slightest flaw in your opponent’s argument, any kind of mistake, grammatical, spelling, contextual, anything no matter how slight is sufficient to deflect attention away from how vacuous your arguments are.<BR/><BR/>11. Act insulted. Take umbrage at the slightest contradiction and act as if it is a personal insult. This will make your personal attack seem warranted and just.<BR/><BR/>12. Mug the camera or audience while your opponent is speaking, make faces, sneering is good, head-shaking better, and looking toward the ceiling is best [notice the avoidance of the word Heaven, Liberals avoid words of a religious nature]. Let the audience know you disagree with your opponent (even if you’ve no idea what he’s saying)<BR/><BR/>13. Use condescending laughter as much as you can. It serves two purposes, first, it dismisses your opponent as being unworthy of your respect and second, it shows your contempt for his arguments. This is a very powerful tool and can really annoy your opponent and disrupt his train of thought.<BR/><BR/>14. You’re an arrogant Liberal; demonstrate your obvious intellectual superiority by acting in a condescending manner, and generally coming off as an asshole with an opinion.<BR/><BR/>15. Forget how many of the wealthiest in this nation are Liberals, (George Soros ring a bell?)always beat the drum of “Rich White Republicans” and “working class Democrats.”<BR/><BR/>16. Finally, always remember style trumps substance. Know it, Live it.<BR/><BR/>With these pearls of wisdom (yes, we're onto you) you can confidentally debate any conservative. Not effectively mind you, but you can debate them.<BR/><BR/>9:00 PM<BR/><BR/>*************************<BR/><BR/>Now, I have been keeping my eye on little Anthony since he posted these "debate tactics" and it's been hilarious to watch him use so many of these tactics! See how many you can find in today's posts alone! LOL. <BR/><BR/>Anthony, you bitch and moan constantly about "douchebags" who come here and post without backing themselves up. I guess you're Anthony "do as I say, not as I do" DeLucca.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com