Friday, September 21, 2007

Because when every second counts the cops are only 5 minutes away

The Seattle Times weighs in:
No guns in school. Period.
Sympathy for an Oregon high-school teacher with a restraining order against an ex-husband ought not extend to allowing her to carry a gun to school.

The school could beef up security. Or the teacher could be given a paid leave while sorting out her personal problems. The restraining order could be strengthened or broadened for maximum protection.

There are solutions that don't require a gun in the classroom. The teacher has a concealed-carry permit but that doesn't give her the right to bring a gun to class.
If by "doesn't give her the right" they mean "she has the right under the United States Consition, the Oregon constition and the Oregon Revised Statutes."

And to say "sort out her personal problems" as if it is somehow her fault she has a stalker is absurd. This is more liberal claptrap that says the individual can't take care of herself, it takes a village. A village which has the dead and raped bodies of hundreds of women on it's collective hands. (try googling "restraining order death")

Here is Lars' piece from Human Events.

34 comments:

Anonymous said...

what would it be like if we all carried guns everywhere at all times. What does this say about our society? We are going backwards into the world of the hatfiels and the mccoys

Anonymous said...

Lars Larson is a what I call an articulate asshole. So are you. The letter writer in the Oregonian put it best: If you really believe your own bullshit in this case, then let EVERY student carry a gun. No. REQUIRE them to. Hell, train them on a firing range in kindergarten, and then hand 'em out to every kid in the first grade. When you move to second grade, you get a better gun. By the time you're in high school, everyone will have an AK-47 slung over their shoulder, and everyone will be REALLY "safe."

Rooster said...

Actually, both anonymous' got it right. Would you try mugging someone for $1.57 if you knew the chances are the person you were about to attack was trained to use a firearm and was most likely carrying one? Would you try breaking into a stranger's home late at night if you knew they were trained in the use of firearms and that they most likely had one in the home, right next to the bed?

Kinda makes you wonder why we don't take the suggestions from the two anonymii...

Kristopher said...

Feuds and other forms of vigilantism only happen when the State refuses or is unable to provide justice after monopolizing its provision.

The "Wild" West generally wasn't.

Murders were so rare they became front page news.

It is no coincidence that the more violent areas in this country also tent to have the most excessive victim disarmament laws.

Anonymous said...

Here is some fuel for thought to the two anons.

Columbine - If just one or more teachers had a gun I would put money down to say that not so many children would have died that day. Just transfer that statement to the other school shootings that have happened in recent history.

9/11 - If just one or two passengers or even a flight attendent or pilot was allowed on those planes with a gun thousands of live might have been spared that day.

We as Americans need to arm and protect ourselves. Every criminal or terrorist knows that there are so many laws preventing us from protecting ourselves that we have become easy targets.

What would you say to the parents of the teacher who ex-husband came in and went after the teacher and shot a kid instead .... sorry about that she had a concealed weapons permit but she was unable to carry a weapon and protect herself and her students?

You two are a real piece of work

Deb

gullyborg said...

Of course it's "her problem to sort out."

Shoot, Daniel, you KNOW she was asking for it!

[/sarcasm]

Why aren't wimmen's lib groups up in arms (ha ha) about this?

maliengus said...

AS A PARENT, I sure want to have at least some assurance that my kid isnt going to be exposed to explosive personal situations such as a teacher with mental issues, physco spouses, deviant habits, extreme political views, etc... If there is a teacher who is so afraid that her psycho ex-husband might burst through the door at any moment (in fact, afraid enough to get a concealed weapons permit)then perhaps, in the interest of her pupils, she should not expose innocent children to the fallout of her personal life, and just work in admin for a while, or some other "education" related position that doesnt involve a classroom, until things blow over a little maybe. One thing for sure, if I was a parent with a kid in her class, they'ld be extracted from her classroom immediately and placed elsewhere.

maliengus said...

....she can have her constitutional rights...I'll take my kid, thank you very much.

Bobkatt said...

Insane hyperbole doesn't advance this conversation. The fact is this woman has a constitutional right to protect herself at all times. She also has the right to go to her job and lead a normal life. Even your irrational "wild west" scenario doesn't change the constitution. I'm much more concerned with what the teachers are putting into the heads of our kids than what's in their purse.

Brent said...

Can anybody that thinks this woman shouldn't be allowed to carry explain to me why she's supposed to give up her constitutional rights?

I have a concealed-carry permit. The teacher has a concealed-carry permit. I can go to the school carrying my pistol and be completely legal...but she's not allowed to? I don't recall there being an exception for teachers in the law.

BEAR said...

double-standards are the mother's milk of lefties. Ask rosie "the genius" o'donnell's armed body guards.

Allen said...

Yes, the Cops are only 5 minutes away.

5 minutes away from arriving two blocks from the school where they will call for the motor home to use as a command post and then wait until the SWAT arrives forty five minutes later in their armored car.

Having a Good Guy with a Gun already inside the school that knows the scene of that day and can recognize something out of line is critical to saving lives.

The killer could well be a drug-crazed student with a dagger they made in shop class or a jilted spouse/roommate of a teacher with a baseball bat.

If a teacher has enough moxy to carry a gun for such defensive purposes they should be allowed to do just that.

That is assuming that most teachers are mentally stable and responsible.

Or, is that making too much of an assumption?

beakeer said...

YOU STILL NEED A HOBBY..........

eddie said...

I love the idea that you can trust a teacher with your child's physical care for most of a year, you can place your child's developing mind in their care, yet trusting that teacher with a gun somewhere in their possession? Oh No!! What if the teacher is nuts?????

In that case, it's probably too late anyway.

Why is it some folks seem afraid that anyone with a gun is a crazed maniac who will shoot you if you blink too quickly near them... yet an 18 year old armed guard with 8 hours of general security training is perfectly fine?

Oh... and there's a rather large difference between having responsible teachers possessing firearms on campus, and handing them out to students. Get serious, will you?

Anonymous said...

... double-standards are the mother's milk of lefties ...

... said Bear, who is furious about the law-breaking of "illegal aliens" but gives the entire administration of George W. Bush a pass.

Dawgman said...

Daniel has some good points as always, but sadly nothing is going to happen in this country until we stop training our children to be commies when they grow up. Not much a family can do when the socialist-minded are dumping propaganda in their heads all day long. Young people need to wake up. Today, students should SHOUT at the president and ask why liberal and secular university lecturers are present in the universities. A struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. And the media must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea!

Anonymous said...

Dawgman said... "until we stop training our children to be commies."

Want proof of that?

Take in a Beaver's Baseball Game at PGE Park and when they play the National Anthem watch and see who doesn't stand up and watch and see who doesn't take their hat off and watch and see who doesn't hold their right hand over their heart.

They have come a long way as we parents wanted our children to Embrace Diversity and allowed the teachers to do the Embracing.

Thats what you get when you . . . go with the flow!

dawgman said...

I know, it's all about "diversity." Teachers' main object is to stuff our brains and turn us into erudite apes like themselves. I haven't been to a baseball game there, but I can just imagine.

Anonymous said...

Today its apple pie, hot dogs, baseball and spit on the US flag but not to be judgemental!

dawgman said...

What we have to fight for is the freedom and independence of the Homeland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfil the mission assigned to it by our Creator.

BEAKEER said...

YOU STILL NEED A HOBBY........

MAX Redline said...

BEAKEER said...
YOU STILL NEED A HOBBY........

Do you have one? Besides trolling and leaving the same stupid comment each time, I mean.

Anthony DeLucca said...

Beakeer;

I can only imagine that giving handjobs to hobos under the bridge in return for food-stamps has you busy and all, but try and take at least a couple of minutes to actually post something with some substance. Something slightly interesting or even humerous.

This "You Need A Hobby" shit is weak and getting very old. By the way, just some friendly advise: You might try working the handjob circuit as a "southpaw" for a while to ensure that you don't get carpal tunnel syndrom or anything.

Just a thought.

Anonymous said...

This "You Need A Hobby" shit is weak and getting very old ...

So is bitching about illegal immigration. Just a thought.

R Huse said...

Anyone ever consider the lefts strange absence on this one? Hmmm, let's see,

The teacher is an employee, that would be "worker" in commie talk.

Her boss, the administrator of the school, just made up a work place rule that is illegal.

But yet.... no outcry on the left about the "workers rights" being violated. Usually bosses are regarded as evil at all times, but especially when they violate "workers rights"

Kind of harkens back to the Supremes Beck decision:

"Workers" who are required to join a union are allowed to withhold that portion of their dues that goes to political activity.

Bush 1 passes an executive order requiring employers to post yet another sign, along with the minimum wage crap, informing "workers" of this right.

Clinton, in his very first act in office rescinds the executive order.

Gee? No big hullabaloo from the left about "workers rights"

Kind of makes me think Daniel is right about the double standards thing.

"My enthusiasm for defending your Constitutional rights is dependant upon which rights we are speaking of" - famous leftist quote

Anthony DeLucca said...

Anon 6:45

You twit. If you can't see the difference between the "you need a hobby" post, and posts regarding illegal immigration, then you are seriously deranged.

Anonymous said...

Hand jobs to hobos for food stamps-now that's funny right there.

Anonymous said...

Anthony DeLucca:

You twit. If you can't see the difference between 6:45 and 6:54 then you are seriously deranged.

Anonymous said...

I would love to know her answers to where she'd keep the loaded gun that would be both 100 percent safe, yet also readily accessible to her and her alone should her ex-husband come on campus brandishing his own gun, and how she would ensure that not one child would be in the line of fire from her gun.

Perhaps instead of fighting to keep her gun with her at school, she should fight to get her ex-husband off her school district's list of approved teachers! If this man is as big of a threat as she's implying, then why is he allowed to teach?

Did Lars Larson mention that little tidbit? That the ex-husband (psycho) is on the school district's list of approved teachers? Anyone think of a safe place where the teacher can keep the gun, yet still be in close enough proximity to act in case the psycho does burst through the doors?

Anyone here OK with having YOUR kid in her class, potential witnesses to a killing?

Anonymous said...

I agree with Maliengus: she can have her constitutional rights, I'll take my kid.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps instead of fighting to keep her gun with her at school, she should fight to get her ex-husband off her school district's list of approved teachers!...

Thanks to Anon 5:02 for getting to the bottom fucking line. We should hardly be surprised that the real issues, what's really important, sailed in one of Lars Larson's ears and out the other, having virtually nothing to block its path. It's all very easy to theorize about it, given that it's happening way the hell down in Southern Oregon. I have a feeling that Larson would probably change his tune if this whole thing were closer to home and his kid was in the woman's class. Then we'd see how anxious he was to add a gun to what obviously is already a volatile and potentially explosive situation. It's your basic right-wingers' Hollywood fantasy: Just pack heat, and all will be well.

BEAR said...

liberal governments, liberal judges, liberal law enforcement, always add up to more dead people more often.....sheesh.

Anonymous said...

Today, students should SHOUT at the president and ask why liberal and secular university lecturers are present in the universities.

The answer, of course (though it might not pass the lips of the current occupant of the White House), is Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It's interesting how righties want to rid the country of opposing viewpoints. They are truly scary.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Maliengus too. Come on people! There isn't a RESPONSIBLE parent alive who would be "OKAY" with the very real prospect that their child could be the witness to a killing in the classroom. I'm all for the right to bear arms, HOWEVER, when forced to make a choice between my child's safety AND emotional well being vs. her right to pack heat so she can blast her ex between the eyes in front of my kid? Sorry, but I'll pick my kid every time and so would Daniel and Lars if they're any kind of parent. This gal needs to extract herself from the classroom until the situation isn't so volatile that she feels she needs a concealed weapon to protect herself. She has no business knowingly exposing children to potential fall out from her marital drama. Lastly, if it's true that the ex-husband is on the district's list of approved teachers after his behavior then the question "Why?" needs to be answered by the school district. The bottom line is, not one of you guys would be okay with your kid's teacher saying "look, there's a chance my psycho ex-husband could come bursting through these doors and your kid might be caught in the crossfire, but don't worry, I'm packing...." Oh, fine, I'm okay with that, no problem, Teach!" .... yeah, right. Who are you kidding Lars? Daniel? Do they make bullet proof vests size 6x?