Thursday, July 15, 2010

Future voters on the march?


Anonymous said...

If you don't watch the whole vid you all should know this was recorded just this spring!

Our border is NOT secure!

Not ONE B.P. Agent for over 39 miles, for many many days, not ONE!?

Meanwhile our Dept. of homeland sec. Janet Napilatano, appointed by B. Hussein Obama, is on Fox news visiting the Texas border, not her old state of AZ. and mumbling some lie about the border is more secure.
And tells Greta that YES she said US Gov't failing on stopping Drugs/illegals/criminals/Felons when she just was Gov. of AZ. but now...well...working on it...

Anonymous said...

Good! Maybe they will vote out the racists and bigots in Congress.

Anonymous said...

In Miglavia ... aw, never mind. I'll skp this one. :-)

Anonymous said...

Nothing to see here. Move along. Nothing to see.

Scottiebill said...

Anon 10:40: Janet Napolitano, aka Janet Incompetano, is wise not to go to Arizona at this time. The people there would probably tar and feather her before the first day is out. And rightfully so.

Anon 12:06: November cannot come too soon.

And I see that Anon 7:11 spared us one of his incessant rants against Daniel. Thank God for little favors. But we can look forward to more of his inanities the next time around. If nothing else, they are good for comic relief, but not much else.

Anonymous said...

I hope all those guys move in to live next door to Daniel Miglavs.

Anonymous said...

Scotty’s mama must a dropped him on his head in the toilet because he must not have heard that republicans have a 73% disapproval rating. Yeah, November? Hum…. You teabaggers planning on electing more Scott Browns who vote 80% with Democrats?

Anonymous said...

... and i hope they send their kids over every day to ask if Miglavs would like to buy some tamales.

Bobkatt said...

"drop the taco." Mexican kids selling tamales. Seems the like the same stereotypes to me. Hard to tell who the racists are anymore.

Anonymous said...

[For all who need Miglavian-style bigotry "explained" or "proved" to you, this one's for you:]

Oh, is that stereotyping? Is that bigotry? A little racist, maybe? Ok, fair enough. You caught me.

So let's revisit Miglavia, circa early December, 2007.

(cue flashback music)

(Voice-over by Miglavs:)

I thought that I would catch these folks by suprise doing the dirty deeds of helping illegal aliens with tax dollars...

What's this? Miglavs went to an event appealing to "Hispanic families" and he expected to find "dirty deeds" and "illegal aliens"?

Nope, I guess I was wrong. No bigotry there! Never mind, move along, nothing to see here ... ;-)

DAVE01 said...

ANON 4:00 PM
Where in the hell are you getting your "statistics"? You must have some really good dope! I bet you are using a dart board to get those numbers or you got them from the white house.

Anonymous said...

yet another open minded progressive ... your mind is so open your brains have fallen out.

People that support Obama and his administration on this illegal bring them all in asap plan are doing is evil and wrong. You too will suffer at your own hands one day. Remember the Black Liberation Theologist hates you just like Rev Wright & Frank M. Davis taught him to.


Anonymous said...

Pinkie, who are you talking to? Voices in your head, maybe, energized by kool-aid? No one on this thread has expressed support for Obama. NO ONE. Zero. You are engaging in Miglavia Battle Strategy #1: When criticized, accuse critic of supporting Obama. Don't understand yet? Not surprising, you're a brain-dead Miglavian. One more time: No one on this thread has expressed support for Obama.

Scottiebill said...

Dave01: Anonymouse 4:00 absolutely got his "numbers" from the White House. Anyone with any smarts at all knows that just about everything The Komrade Incompetent and his toadies have to say is either false, untrue, or outright lies. And gullible libs like 4:00 fall for their crap every time. Notice, too, that The Komrade has a 46% approval rating, compared to something like 75% or so just over a year ago. The mighty are falling and will continue in their free-fall right up to November 2.

In the meantime, Anonymouse 4:00 can return to bashing Daniel in each and every post, as he has done continually for the longest time. But,as I said earlier, his rants make for comic relief for most of us.

DAVE01 said...

Scottie, no wonder this country is going down the shitter. These clowns are allowed to vote. They should not have 1st amendment rights. I sure as hell would not give them 2nd amendment rights. Can you imagine one of these clowns with a gun? The first thing they would do is shoot themselves in the foot and claim it was Daniel's or Bush's fault.

Our country has been going downhill since they allowed anyone over 18 to vote.

We need to rescind the voting rights of most of the population.
We should only let land owners, taxpayers (not the ones who pay and get all the taxes back), vets and current military. I would make this for local, state and federal elections.

I would definitely take away the voting rights of government employees, welfare recipients and politicians unless they were someone from the previous paragraph. I'm sure there may be a few more groups that should be allowed to vote. An IQ test might be a good requirement for voting rights. The democrat party would disappear overnight.

Anonymous said...

These clowns are allowed to vote. They should not have 1st amendment rights. I sure as hell would not give them 2nd amendment rights.

If that is actually your position, then you are not entitled to call yourself a Republican or even a conservative: You've got both feet planted firmly in fascist territory, and if you take a few more steps, you might as well put on a Brownshirt and a Swastika patch on your arm. I may think you're a fascist piece of shit scum, but I still believe that you're entitled to your disgusting beliefs and full rights under the U.S. Consitution and the Bill of Rights, although if you really do feel that way, maybe you just ought to get the fuck out of my country. You're obviously out of place here.

Scottiebill said...

In a way I have to agree with your assessment of the various and sundry Anonymice on this blog. But, alas, with the First Amendment we cannot. It is really too bad that people like Anonymouse 4:00 and others of his ilk, who do absolutely nothing productive but take up space, time, and air and are a complete waste at all cannot be barred from participating in anything. Oh well, I guess they are allowed their rights, too. But they are damned willing to push to deny us our rights and our privileges to say anything against their opinions. It is nothing more than blatant hypocrisy on their part. Nothing more. Nothing less.

And I really, REALLY, wish that Daniel would stop allowing the "anonymous" posters on here. While it is true that we who don't use "anonymous" as our call sign but a pseudonym, such as my "Scottiebill", at least others know who has posted. With "anonymous" we don't know if they are different people or the same ones. As the King of Siam said, "'Tis a puzzlement."

FP said...


There was once a time when people like the anon @ 4:00 would have been shunned and marginalized in society. The peer pressure from being ostracized was enough to keep them in line.

Unfortunately, that's no longer the case. There are far too many people who engage in the vilest of immoralities, spew the worst hate and vitriol, and utter the most disgusting obscenities, then turn around and say it's their 1st Amendment right to do so. While that may be correct regarding the letter, it is in violation of the spirit of the 1st Amendment, and they know it. That is why they are the most shrill when it comes to defending their 1st Amendment rights, but are conspicuously silent when the rights of others are threatened. While I don't agree that some people's 1st Amendment rights should be revoked because we find them objectionable (and in many cases, rightfully so), I can certainly understand the frustration behind Dave's statements regarding the 1st & 2nd Amendments. The voting issue is something else entirely and there is legitimate discussion to be had about who should have the privilege to vote and who should not.

John Adams said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

BTW, I agree with your sentiments regarding anonymous commenters, so from now on I'll use a handle.

Anonymous said...

The more I read from the right-wing loons, the more I could care less if an illegal immigrant steals their job. Illegals work a hell of alot harder than most Americans so it is a win-win.

Anonymous said...

1054 anyone that supports illegals just busting across the border willy nilly like you do...amazing how that is well... just like Obama. You support the lawsuit too, now dont you??? just like Obama... You voted for him, but I bet you have scraped off that bumper sticker just like you neighbors have. Gosh, are you embarassed yet?


Anonymous said...

In Miglavia, there is a "legitimate discussion" to be had about who has the right to vote, but there is absolutely no debate necessary or allowed on whether anyone can own as many firearms of any type as they wish.

Welcome to Miglavia.

Anonymous said...

First of all, I'm not Anon 4 pm. So let's first look at his sins, which have prompted serious talk about the suspension of democratic and constitutional rights for American citizens.

He had a crude insult for Scottie, and he referred to some poll numbers. If any of you had cared to look them up, you would have found that, in fact, they did not "absolutely" come from the White House. They came from an ABC/Washington Post poll. Secondly, Anon 4 botched his description of what the 73 percent referred to, although it certainly isn't particularly favorable of Republicans. I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it, if you're interested, look it up. Which you should have done in the first place. It's beside the point.

So now freedom of speech and voting rights are on the table, correct? You just can't handle these people who have these opinions that are so different from yours, so it's time that they be "barred from participating in anything." First amendment rights ought to be revoked for "some people," and there is a "legitimate discussion" about who should have the right to vote. How do we determine which people? How do we stop them from speaking? Shall they be imprisoned? Shot? You guys see Obama as someone who somehow threatens your rights, but he's got nothing on you. Hitler would have loved you guys.

Listen to yourselves, fools. You think of yourselves as conservatives? I don't think so. Not anymore. You've crossed the line.

DAVE01 said...

ANON 4:13 PM
Here is one example of the problem I have with welfare people being allowed to vote. They get to vote for politicians who force banks to loan to people who cannot afford a home. They think it is a right to have a home. The law I'm talking about is the Community Reinvestment Act which caused a lot of the housing crash. This law forced banks to make those loans. Then when the poor people can't repay for their loans, we have to bail out the banks, again with my money because those banks are too big to fail. Then the poor people use some of my money to support those same politicians. They continue to use my money in the form of taxes given to the federal government to support the welfare recipients. People have figured out to vote themselves money out of the public coffers.

Obama also used 1.5 billion of the TARP money to bail out Harry Reid. That money by law was supposed to be repaid. It was used as a slush fund for Reid and Obama.

I want to take away the "right" of other people to "steal" my money. You may call it fascism, I call it my right to retain my money and use it how I see fit. I guess it depends on your viewpoint. That is the problem with the current voting. Politicians also use their power to get elected illegally. A prime example is senator Franken. He was elected illegally by felons. In Oregon, we don't even purge the voter rolls of dead people and illegal aliens. Our system has become way too corrupt. You may like it because you are a liberal and think other people have the "right" to take my money. Your principles and mine are very different. My girlfriend and I have about the same income and she doesn't pay anywhere near the taxes I pay. She get a lot back from the earned income credit. That is bullshit. She needs to pay her fair share. Almost half the country doesn't pay taxes. How is that right and fair? The number of takers are outnumbering the number of givers.

ANON 7:12 AM
The people who are taking money from other people should not have a "right" to continue or "vote" to do so. Another way I could say this is that welfare recipients should not be able to vote to take more money from my wallet.

Call it what you want but it is not fascism. As FP quoted John Adams, we have become a corrupt, immoral and a non-religious people.

DAVE01 said...

Let's not forget the unions who gave a shitload of money to obama. Then they get a car company with my money. Their pensions will probably be bailed out too. How is that right?

Anonymous said...

"we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor..."

56 men did this for all of us many years ago, We seem to be losing it.

I plan on fighting to keep it.


dave01 said...


Anonymous said...

I plan on fighting to keep it....

Well, then you're going to end up fighting Dave and others like him, because he's decided that there are some citizens who just don't deserve Constitutional rights.

And there he goes again, changing the subject:

I want to take away the "right" of other people to "steal" my money. You may call it fascism, I call it my right to retain my money and use it how I see fit.

Well, that may be true, but that's not what you were talking about. What you actually said was:

"These clowns are allowed to vote. They should not have 1st amendment rights. I sure as hell would not give them 2nd amendment rights.

Your words speak for themselves.

Call it what you want but it is not fascism....

Sorry Dave, you don't get to make that call. I'll call it what it is. If you're going to embrace the politics, then you get the name, too.

DAVE01 said...

ANON 1:33 PM
Where in the constitution does it explicitly state there is a right to vote? Voting cannot be denied because of race or gender. Why cannot the right to vote be denied to welfare recipients? The right to vote is denied to felons in some states.

For your first paragraph, millions of Americans have had their constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms violated. You must have missed the last two hundred years or so of US history.

Anonymous said...

Where in the Constitution does it explicitly state a right to carry a gun? Rights conveyed by the Bill of Rights have traditionally been referred to as "constitutional rights," dumbfuck. The Bill of Rights are amendments to the Constitution. Pull your head out already. And I'd suggest going shopping this week for a brownshirt. You're gonna need it.

Oh, wait ... you're former military, right? Getting a pension? Will you? If so, I'd be hangin' up your right to vote. Soldiers on welfare. Like I voted for that.

Anonymous said...

God grants all rights.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government....


Anonymous said...

God granted Dave the right to be a fascist, and he has graciously exercised that right.

DAVE01 said...

ANON 6:41 PM

I'm not a retired vet. I'm just a vet. It was the end of the cold war when I got out. I could see that there would be less money and opportunities for the military.

The second amendment states "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

God gives us those rights which are protected by the constitution. Keep and bear arms is pretty self explanatory. Keep means a citizen gets to keep arms. Bear means a citizen gets to carry them around.

An amendment means the constitution is amended or there is a modification or a deletion or a addition. The amendments are part of the constitution. The first ten amendments are the Bill Of Rights. All the amendments are part of the constitution.

So again, where in the constitution or the amendments does it guarantee the right to vote? If that is a god given right, how come felons can't vote in some states? If the Bill Of Rights guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, how come millions of American citizens in DC and Chicago had that right violated? Rights can be taken away. Why should a welfare recipient have the right to vote more money from my pocket so they can stay home and smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol and do drugs? Shouldn't I have the right to stop them from taking public (my) money? It seems you are the fascist since I don't get to decide how my money is spent. Hitler, Mau Tse Tung and Stalin agree with you.

If you look at my above statement from 2:10 pm, I said vets and current military should be able to vote. I did not mean to exclude them from voting. They have paid their dues, even if they are on welfare. You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. Let me restate it in a math form:

If you are a land owners or taxpayers (not the ones who pay and get all the taxes back) or a vet or current military, you have the right to vote. If any of the previous are true, you get to vote. If a citizen is on welfare and wants to vote, get of welfare or join the military. It is really simple. My rights are being violated when the government takes my money and give it to someone on welfare.

Are you calling the democrat leaders of DC and Chicago fascists since they have taken away the god given constitutionally guaranteed right of the American citizen to keep and bear arms?

Do you even know what the word fascist means? The current government in DC is looking like a fascist government.

DAVE01 said...

ANON 6:55 AM
God gave you the brains of an idiot. You are definitely showing that to be a fact.

Terry said...

LOL! You worked that out for yourself pretty good, Dave: You get to vote, but all those other "clowns" (people who disagree with you) you want to see disenfranchised. Un-fucking-believable. That brown shirt fits you nicely.

Who determines who gets to vote? A new government agency? Or do you want to farm this one out to Blackwater? How about The Agency for the Eradication of Voting Clowns?

Only in Miglavia, I swear-to-gawd.

Oh, and I do agree with you on ONE thing (which makes me question my own sanity): The US government is becoming more dictatorial, but it's largely because Obama is continuing the same shit that Bush/Cheney implemented. Something tells me you probably went eight years without a peep about it until now. It's cool when a white Republican does it, but when a black Democrat does the same thing, it's HOLY FUCKING SHIT TIME!!!!

Bobkatt said...

Sorry Dave but I think you have gone off the rails on this one.
I often agree with you on issues and also share your frustration but I have about as much faith in your ability to decide who should be able to vote as I do in the governments ability to micro-manage economic activities.
Instead of comparing constitutional infringements we need to stand up against all attacks including Bush's signing statements that have given Obama the power to shut off the internet and imprison and target for execution U.S. citizens without trial. There are hundreds of examples of constitutional abuse that never seem to garner much media attention but slowly erode our rights. Taking away more rights is not the answer.

Anonymous said...

I think Miglavs needs to weigh in on this one: Should people who disagree with you be allowed to vote? One Miglavian says "no," and another says "yes." We report, you decide, news at eleven.

DAVE01 said...

ANON 11:56 AM
I thought he was half white and half black. Thanks for letting me know he is only black. I'm glad you brought the race thing up. I always just thought of him as a commie/socialist/progressive. I don't judge a book by its cover. You should stop being so racist.

I agree with you about the government moving toward a dictatorship. I also agree Bush enabled a lot of that crap. I called for years to Gordon Smith's office to stop the spending. The calls fell on deaf ears. I as a lifelong republican and did not vote for him.

So you are saying that a welfare recipient has the right to vote for a congress person who will take more of my money to give to that welfare recipient and I have no say so in the process? That sounds like voting to steal. That must be a progressive thing. That also sound more like a dictatorship to me. Where are my rights to keep my money and spend it how I see fit?

DAVE01 said...

Don't forget, almost half the population is not paying taxes. Where are the rights of the taxpayer?

Anonymous said...

So you are saying that a welfare recipient has the right to vote for a congress person who will take more of my money to give to that welfare recipient and I have no say so in the process?

Yeah, Dave, that's what I'm saying. Love it or leave it, that's the system. Another example might be: The chief executive officer of a multi-national defense contractor has the right to vote for a congress person (whose pocket he's already lined with cash) who will take more of my money to give to that CEO's company (in the form of defense contracts) and I have no say so in the process.

The difference between you and I, Dave, is that I'm not really bothered by the pennies that go to the "welfare recipient, while that infuriates you.

You, on the other hand (I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty confident about it) are not bothered by the trillions that go to defense contractors. If you have ever made any statements on this blog to the contrary, you're welcome to prove me wrong, but let me be clear: I'm talking about comments that directly relate to military spending, not just "spending" in general. Because it's pretty clear from your comments that when you bitch about "spending," those nasty welfare recipients are at the top of your shit list. Probably followed by other horrible things, like education, bike paths, etc.

The fusion and collaboration between government and corporatism is a prominent feature of fascism (certainly in Germany it was) and ... well, being a brownshirt, I can see why that wouldn't bother you.

Bobkatt said...

By the way did Donald Rumsfeld ever find that pesky $2.3 trillion dollars that he misplaced?

DAVE01 said...

ANON 4:00 PM

The fusion and collaboration between government and corporatism is a prominent feature of fascism (certainly in Germany it was) and ...

Isn't that exactly what the current administration is doing right now? The unions get a car company, I think Hitler built one. The unions helped elect obama. The unions have constant access to obama. We will bail out the union pension funds.Are you saying that we are fast approaching a nazi like country? Barny Franks and fannie or freddie. Goldman Sachs all aroudn the Fed. Take over of the financial industry, the car industry, the health care industry, I think you are correct.

Since you seem to support the current administration, you are the brown shirt. You can keep calling me one, but you are the one who votes for the democrats who bail out wall street billionaires, foreign banks, shove health care down my throat, want amnesty for tens of millions of criminals (illegal aliens), sent us a stimulus packages that I didn't want and I know wouldn't work on my dime and your party condoned the mexican president who does not like AZ's SB1070 which will save American lives. The democrats allow the dead, felons and illegals to vote. I keep getting everything shoved down my throat and I don't want it and I have to pay for it. The representatives we sent to DC are not listening. Representative republic or fascist government.

You want your agenda shoved down my throat no matter the method or cost. You and obama can't allow your agenda to stand on its merits. Health care and financial bills that are thousands of pages that nobody reads anymore and can't be allowed to see the light of day. Who is the fascist?

I don't mind helping people in need. We were a wealthy country and could afford to. We are not very wealthy anymore. We have spent too much for too long. I only want to pay for what protects us and is absolutely necessary. I want all foreign aid stopped. All of it. If we have to pay for a military base, I have no problem. I just don't want to give countries extra billions to fight crime like the billion or so we gave to mexico. Tens of billions for AIDS in Africa. The next time we get in a war, no more nation building. We should beat the shit out of them and leave.

There is a lot of waste in the military budget. I can testify to that fact. The waste needs to be stopped. All extra spending needs to be curtailed.

I think you are the fascist since you keep voting for people who shove things down my throat that I don't want and I have to pay for and I can't afford. All the welfare recipients should not be able to keep taking money from me that I can't afford to lose. Why don't you pay for it since you want it. Most of us will end up on welfare if we don't control our spending now. The only problem is that there will be no money for me because it will have been spent.

Also you democrats stole my girlfriends bonus from her work. The $780 million stolen from the evil rich and corporations. She would get a $400-500 Christmas bonus every year, that is gone now. That was taken for the public employees who make more than she does and has better benefits. Most of that money was spent on here daughter, you stole a happy Christmas from a twelve year old girl, I hope that makes you feel good. Democrats steal from children. How evil is that? Pretty damn evil!

Anonymous said...

I think you are the fascist since you keep voting for people ...

Two things are clear:

1) You have absolutely no idea who I vote for.

2) The only way you can respond to my argument is to assign positions to me that I don't have, assign candidates and politicians to me who I didn't vote for, and assign a party to me that I don't support. Since you declined my offer to point to me criticisms you made of military spending under Bush/Cheney, I have to assume that in eight years, or at least for the duration that this blog has been available to you to express your opinion, you made none -- which calls into question all your attacks on this administration. I don't have to support Obama, and I am totally opposed to him, to see that your vitriol toward him is about more than simply his positions and actions.

Gee ... I wonder what that might be about? Worst case, you're a liar and a hypocrite, and a bigot. Worst case, you're just really fucking stupid. But don't feel like you have to choose ... I can't rule out that you're all four.

DAVE01 said...

I would start cutting in the areas of defending japan, south korea, europe. How much of our defense budget is sucked up defending those areas? I have always been against defending them. I may have not stated so in this blog.

Why in the hell should American troops in S Korea be sacrificed as a trigger to get us into a war. Twenty five years ago we had around 250 thousand troops in germany or europe. That is bullshit.

In conclusion, I would be more than happy to start cutting the defense budget. I would definitely cut anything that does not relate explicitly to defense of the homeland. I also say when we should have a declaration of war from congress, we fight to win and no more nation building. We would also have to get rid of the UN. I'm tired of footing the blood and treasure bill to be the worlds policeman. We need to stay away from foreign entanglements.

Is that good enough for you?

Use a handle so I know who I'm talking to. As far as assigning positions to you, if you us a handle, I'll know who I'm talking to. Anon is Anon you know.

Don't forget to take your meds so you can calm down.

Terry said...

I don't know if you noticed, Dave, but one of your fellow Miglavians, Bobkatt, said above that he thinks you've "gone off the rails on this one."

Does this mean he:

1) Hates America?
2) Hates children?
3) Is a Democrat?
4) Voted for Obama?
5) Supports rape?
6) Is a communist?

Just curious.

Bobkatt said...

Terry Anonymous-It's sad that you insist on labeling everyone. As for your accuracy, in labeling you're 0 for 1, as for the rest you're 0 for 6.