Thursday, October 25, 2007

Build more jails/prisons, give less cable tv

Man Returns to Ore. to Avoid Idaho Jail
An Oregon man was been arrested after fleeing police across a Snake River bridge into neighboring Idaho — only to reverse course near the stateline because he reckoned Oregon jails would be better than those in Idaho.

An Oregon State Police trooper says Maddox told him he didn't want to go to jail in Idaho.

Criminals try to avoid punishment whenever possible. There isn't a car thief in Oregon that wouldn't prefer to be arrested in Multnomah County over Clackamas County. Guess what that means for car owners in Multnomah County?

It would appear that the same rule goes for the state as a whole. "We treat our inmates well" shouldn't be the state slogan. Let's build jails/prisons and when they fill up let's build more. Let's take away the cable tv, dessert, cards, etc. Give them a Bible and that's it.

See how fast our criminals flee over California if we do this.

41 comments:

Anonymous said...

5 year olds are now criminals for hugging.How many more jails are we going to build to hold all the future crimes? answer none, we will just give them a ticket. The bible has not stopped crime. in one door out the other, a revolving game.Free abortions would be one way to lower jail population.

Anonymous said...

Prisons are like freeways: Conservatives believe you can build your way out of traffic congestion with more roads, and that you can put crime out of commission by building more jails. Never mind that it's completely obvious that both are full as soon as they open and that congestion/crime continues regardless.

Anonymous said...

Six illegal immigrants arrested at Qualcomm

San Diego:

Six undocumented Mexican immigrants were arrested today by U.S. Border Patrol agents at Qualcomm Stadium, after a report that they were stealing food and water meant for evacuees, according to spokesman Damon Foreman.

San Diego police responded to a call about alleged theft from the evacuation center and encountered six people in a van who didn't speak English and didn't have California driver's licenses, Foreman said. The police officers called the Border Patrol, who arrived at the stadium and made the arrests, he said. Foreman said the immigrants admitted they were Mexican citizens and that they were stealing.

Border Patrol agents are not looking for illegal immigrants at the center but will continue responding to police calls for assistance.

"We are not in any means at Qualcomm for enforcement capacity," he said. "We are not there to take advantage of a situation."

Foreman said the agents have been helping in the evacuation and rescue effort in addition to carrying out their main duties.

"We are dedicated to our primary mission to securing our borders," he said.

Anthony "Not Tony" DeLucca said...

Building and USING (see WAPATO) more jails does actually lower the crime rate in communities. Instead of remanding the dirtbag criminal to an already overworked Parole Officer, they get put in jail, away from the public and away from the temptation and ability to commit more crimes. For the most part, their ability to seek out and create victims is taken away.

Studies show that well over 50% of habitual criminals who are released on probation (due to overcrowded jails and prisons), will re-offend or violate the terms of their probation within 45 days, and will get placed into carceration anyway.

If you placed that person into a facility immediately rather than releasing them on probationary status, there would be one less victim out there, one more person who doesn't get robbed, raped, beaten, or even murdered by someone who should have been incarcerated. Multiply that by the hundreds of re-offenders every month, and yeah, you will have a safer community.

Instead of thinking along the lines of "it won't make crime go away", think along the lines of "How can we make THIS CRIMINAL go away?"

Kristopher said...

Anon 0800:

Your are correct.

We should deal with the problem you present by executing more felons, instead of releasing them.

And if we use heat depolymerization on the remains, they can also be converted into diesel fuel for my SUV.

Not only does it help solve the fuel crisis, but the felon's carbon footprint is shortened drastically.

Everyone wins!

Anonymous said...

Daniel -- shouldn't we build fewer jails and set the criminals free? You were convicted of a crime, served 0 days in jail and now you're a law-abiding, tax-paying, civically-aware citizen (or at least I assume). If this model worked for you, why wouldn't it work for others?

I'm not harping on your criminal record here to disparrage you, but am actually interested in your response....

Anonymous said...

anaon 8:00

Comparing expanding prison space to increasing road capacity has to be the stupidest analogy I've heard in a long time.

Anonymous said...

Suspects caught after 'disturbing' crime spree
By Anita Burke
Mail Tribune
October 24, 2007 6:00 AM
Medford police arrested two men suspected of robbing Mexican markets and terrorizing clerks Monday in Medford.

Police arrested Edgar Manuel Donis-Hernandez, 31, of Medford, and Carlos Elfego Ochaeta Donis, 21, no address listed, just after midnight.

"We were just a step behind these guys all night and were finally lucky enough to cross paths with them," Medford police Detective Sgt. Mike Budreau said.

Budreau said evidence from robberies at Bienna E Los Pinos, a clothing store on Crater Lake Avenue and Novedades La Mexicana, an imports and novelty store on West Main Street, pointed police to the pair.

Donis-Hernandez was charged with first-degree robbery, third-degree assault, and two counts each of second-degree robbery and first-degree theft.

He was also charged with first-degree sodomy and first-degree sexual abuse, linked with forcing a victim to engage in sexual acts during one of the robberies.

He also is suspected of being in the country illegally and is jailed without bail.

Donis was charged with first-degree robbery, third-degree assault, and two counts each of second-degree robbery and first-degree theft. He also is suspected of being in the country illegally and is jailed without bail.

"It was very disturbing. They really terrorized the victims," Budreau said, noting that the sexual assault was an unusual way for a robber to demonstrate complete control over a victim.

The robbery of Bienna E Los Pinos, 524 Crater Lake Ave., was reported at about 4:25 p.m. Monday. Two men assaulted a woman working there, displayed a knife and demanded money.

They fled with an undisclosed amount of cash and merchandise from the store and were last seen driving north on Crater Lake Avenue in a white sedan, police said.

About three hours later, two men robbed Novedades La Mexicana, 2138 W. Main St., pointing what appeared to be a handgun at a clerk and firing a BB at him. The robbers demanded money and jewelry, took it and left. They were last seen walking eastbound on West Main, but a green vehicle, possibly a small SUV, was suspected of being involved in the crime, too, police said.

Budreau said investigators had evidence pointing to the robbers' identity and their associates after the Los Pinos robbery. Combined with surveillance camera footage from the West Main shop and statements from acquaintances, detectives identified the robbers and set off looking for them.

Investigators visited homes of the suspects' friends and relatives, and finally spotted the pair in a 1995 Saturn sedan on Taylor Road in Central Point.

Central Point police helped Medford officers stop the car at about 12:30 a.m. Donis and Donis-Hernandez were taken into custody without incident, and police recovered most of the property stolen from the businesses. Budreau said the pair had switched vehicles several times during the evening.

Reach reporter Anita Burke at 776-4485 or aburke@mailtribune.com

eddie said...

Hmm... traffic congestion... roads... equal to crime and prisons. Oooookay... let's run with that analogy, shall we?

If the conservative notions that more roads means less congestion, and that more jail space means more criminals in that space instead of next door are incorrect as you state... then should we apply the liberal solution?

Since obviously the way to cure congestion in Portland is to cripple the roads with lane reductions, speed bumps, and other traffic calming measures, encourage 19th century transportation modes such as bicycles local trains, and force residential density by reducing taxes on overpriced apartment-style development... and we can all see just how well that works, I mean, you can get anywhere in Portland during daylight hours in only 3 or 4 times the time it would take to travel that far in Los Angeles, for instance.

So... applying this mindset to crime... if we're going to return to 19th century methods, then we get to eliminate the appeals process, up capital punishment by a few hundred-thousand percent, and carry out sentences by hanging within a week of the trial. Prisons get to return to providing stale bread, water and beans to the tiny overcrowded cells prisoners are crammed into. We could up capacity considerably by returning to 19th century standards of prison treatment... besides getting a lot cheaper road work and manual labor out of them. Could solve the illegal alien problems too; chain gangs are really cheap labor.

I like it.... let's run with this.

Anonymous said...

Traffic congestion is a good think because, insofar as public transportation or bicycling is feasible, it deters driving and reduces emissions into the atmosphere (not that conservatives care about that) just as the promise of doing time in prison deters crime. If the traffic-crime analogy must be drawn, I think that is how it should be done. Though, it is a pretty bad analogy.

On another note, anyone else find it amusing that conservatives like Daniel believe things like -- Noah loading up a boat with two of every animal, Moses talking to a burning bush, Mary giving birth to Jesus, miraculously, without having sex, and Jesus, after his death, coming back to life to hang a bit longer with his disciples -- but denies assertions that the planet is warming at a rate that is alarming to nearly all scientists? It's f'ing hillarious when you think about it!

Anthony "not Tony" DeLucca said...

Anon 2:31

I don't know where to begin. I'd try to debate your post, but quite frankly I don't think that the common sense could make it past the smoke from your bong, and through the minefield of stench that you call "pitchuli oil".

You, and those like you are exactly who I'm talking about when I use the term "Mindless Sheep". You haven't the capacity to think for yourself, so you just go with the "Cause Du Jour" which in this case happens to be "Global Warming".

anon231 said...

so sorry anthony -

it's not like I had alot to work with since, as I stated, I don't find the traffic-crime analogy to be a good one. I really wasn't posting to debate anyone, just to point that out.

Since I'm here responding to your brilliant post, I will make one point pertinent to Daniel's original gem. If he read anything besides the bible, he would realize the foolishness of his proposed "solution" (i.e., making criminal punishment so severe in oregon that it encourages criminals to commit their crimes in other states). A raft of studies have consistently shown that state- or county-level differences in sentencing do not significantly account for differences in crime rates. The reason: criminals aren't the rational, calculating actors that Daniel apparently thinks they are. If they were, they wouldn't commit the crime in the first place, in most instances. Surprise! So, his solution is a non-starter (but what's new?).

I also liked the comment that a previous anon made about why Daniel promotes harsh sentencing for offenders when zero-punishment (in terms of time spent behind bars) resulted in him finding God, and turning his life around. If it works for him, why not for others? What makes Daniel special in this regard? It's a completely legitimate question.

Lastly, and this isn't something I'm hoping to debate, but rather point out because I find it funny(okay, Anthony). I love irony, and thus Daniel's beliefs in the fairy tales of Christianity and simultaneous suspicion over the scientific evidence behind climate change is quite rich and amusing, no?

Okay. That better, Anthony?

Anthony "the truth" DeLucca said...

Anon 231,

You kind of rambled there and didn't really clarify anything.

All you really did was make fun of a religion and those who practice and believe in it. You're quite the intellectual.

Another example of how the "Tolerant" left is only tolerant of those with similar views. How very diverse of you.

Bigot.

beakeer said...

ALL HAIL STEWIE!!!

Heather Simpson said...

http://www.newsreview.info/article/20071025/NEWS/71025097
check out this article about yet another illegal alien drug bust...candy coated by the 'news peeeyooo'

anon231 said...

Anthony - In re-reading my post, I think the main point about why Daniel's rationale is wrong, with respect to the expected outcome of stricter sentencing in Oregon, was quite clearly laid out. If you didn't follow that then it my be your intellectual capacity that should be questioned, not mine.

Regarding the religious aside (which is what I intended it to be, an aside), I'm actually completely tolerant of religion. Daniel and other Christians are entitled to their beliefs. I myself was raised a Catholic and cherish some of the virtues instilled in me through that upbringing, such as taking care of the poor and giving to charity. But I have chosen to discard some of the things that I just don't buy (virgin birth, resurrection, burning bush, etc).

To say that I find it ironic that someone could believe these things really happened, but then reject scientifically-based assertions that our climate is changing for the worse, is not bigotry. It's simply what it is: pointing out an irony.

Heather Simpson said...

http://www.newsreview.info/article/
20071025/NEWS/71025097

here's the whole thing

R Huse said...

You guys are all the biggest bunch of idiots.

I cant believe you think the jails/ roads analogy was wrong.

Look, jails and roads are the exact same thing. How do you relieve congestion on the roads?

LIGHT RAIL

How do you relieve overcrowding in prisons?

LIGHT RAIL

No one else is riding it. Simply weld some bars on the windows, load it up with felons, and park it in whatever zany neighborhood wants to love these guys.

Saves money on having to build prisons.

Solves the lefts obsession with needing a light rail fix every now and then.

Simple!

newimprovedNietzsche said...

Mr. Anthony, why should we presume that a professional actor such as yourself (http://anthonyvdeluca.com/) has any in depth knowledge about these issues which you spew "wisdom" about and lust about with your lover Daniel "18th Street" Miglavs a convicted gang banging felon? Huh?

newimprovedNietzsche said...

And you better answer me boy, or I will cut and paste you and your girlfriend (Daniel) to oblivion.
Holy shit, you guys call this intelligent conversation? WTF?

Anonymous said...

Dear newimprovedNietzsche:

Speaking of "presuming," lol, that's Delucca with two c's, not one!

Okay, Antuny, I gotta admit it's pretty funny now...used car salesman, actor, what's next? Proctologist?

eddie said...

Wow...

"Traffic congestion is a good think because, insofar as public transportation or bicycling is feasible, it deters driving and reduces emissions into the atmosphere (not that conservatives care about that) just as the promise of doing time in prison deters crime. If the traffic-crime analogy must be drawn, I think that is how it should be done. Though, it is a pretty bad analogy."

If the goal is to get people out of automobiles and into mass transit or onto a bicycle, period... then your point is valid.

Once you add "reduce emissions into the atmosphere" into the mix, you lose. Check out the facts on auto emissions some time. Personal autos put out about 10 times the amount of pollutants while idling than they do cruising at optimum speed (usually around 50 mpg). For big rig haulers and, laughingly, city busses, idling is even worse. Conversely, all the anti-auto shenanigans in Portland have driven absolutely ZERO people to use alternative transportation. In fact, 9.8% of Portlanders used alternative transit twenty years ago. 7.6% of them do so now.

So... all the traffic calming, non-development, bike lanes and unwanted (voted down repeatedly) heavy rail (MAX isn't light rail, it's actually heavy gauge), have done nothing but increase auto emissions in the air.

But hey, don't let the straight facts get in the way of the Portland fantasy.

Anonymous said...

Regardless of whether the roads/prisons analogy works or doesn't, it does raise a question that's come up here before, and for the life of me I don't understand it: What the hell problem is it that conservatives have with mass and alternate transit? It's like you instinctively recoil from it. Don't get me wrong: I'm NOT a bike nut. I do have a bike, and I ride it to work sometimes, and sometimes I ride it for exercise, but I'm not one of these Portland bicycle "activists." I'm just a normal person. I drive sometimes, and I ride a bike sometimes. But you guys see a bus, bike trail or tram and just fucking flip out. What's up with that? Do you know that that tram up the hill to the hospital has already had a million riders? A MILLION. The thing will probably have paid for itself within another year or two. What's the problem?

People ride bikes. LOTS of people ride bikes, particularly in PDX. Bike trails serve an objective social need that benefits everyone, because I gaurantee that if you eliminted every bicycle in Portland and put every one of those riders in a car, you sure as hell WOULD notice a difference, depending on where you were driving. And more roads wouldn't do a goddamned thing to solve it.

And I don't know where you get off saying that "nobody" rides the MAX train. Ever been aboard during rush hour? If "no one" is riding it, then who are all those people? It's frequently standing room only aboard those trains for Chrissakes. I have to believe that any jackass who says that "no one" uses MAX either has never been anywhere NEAR a MAX train, or that you have but you're both blind and deaf, or you're just lying your fool ass off.

Anonymous said...

Anon 856: I was shaking my head on this one too. I've yet to ride in a MAX train that wasn't pretty much full. Guess we're all just a bunch of "nobodies!" LOL

MAX Redline said...

anon856:

In the PDX area, light rail accounts for less than 3% of all commuters, yet billions of dollars have been spent on it. The reason why, at some hours, it is standing room only is because the cars are small, and there are only two of them per unit. There is a reason why this is the case, and that's because our planning geniuses decided that light rail just had to run at surface level in downtown Portland (which, by the way, has the shortest city "blocks" of any comparable city).

I dislike light rail because it is far too expensive to build and to operate, while doing nothing to relieve traffic congestion. It was forced upon us - even though citizens twice voted against expansion, those who know better found ways to build it anyway...and now they simply don't bother to put it to a vote because they know they'd lose.

Light rail was planned on a false premise: that its mere presence would spawn TOD (transit-oriented development) all along the lines. It has not. Cascade Station sat completely vacant for years, although the trains stopped there anyway. They quit stopping there and opening the doors after a coyote boarded an otherwise empty train (this is where the avatar that I use originated). Only after big-box retailers like IKEA and Best Buy were allowed into the area via a zoning change did any development occur - and even then, it occurred only after the big-boxes negotiated an agreement that allowed them to set aside sufficient land for 2,100 parking spaces at surface level.

Beaverton Round was supposed to be the premier TOD. However, even after some $10,000,000 in "public subsidies", it is still incomplete.

TOD does not occur, in fact, in the absense of public subsidies to developers.

But you guys see a bus, bike trail or tram and just fucking flip out. What's up with that? Do you know that that tram up the hill to the hospital has already had a million riders? A MILLION.

Actually, you're incorrect on all counts. Many folks like me abhor light rail- and the tram - because they aren't cost-effective and do nothing to decrease congestion. Bus travel is much more flexible and much more cost-effective - but of course, Tri-Met curtailed its popular express bus lines in order to force those riders to use light rail - astrategy which, I might add, backfired completely.

As for the tram: it appears that you've swallowed the PR ploy hook, line, and sinker. It has not transported anywhere close to a million riders. You seem not to understand that in boarding lingo, one round trip counts as two boardings. You also seem not to understand that most of the folks who do ride the Pill Hill Aerial Rapid Transit (PHART) subsidized. While the PHART is, like a bus (and completely unlike light-rail and the streetcar) able to verify fare payment or pass validity, the fact of the matter is that a majority of its ridership is subsidized.

Unlike, say, the METRO in Washington, D.C., huge numbers of people are able to ride "our" light rail and streetcars without ever paying a nickel. That's one reason why the gang-bangers and drug dealers love light rail.

In fact, although I have a pass, I have never, ever - not even ONCE - been asked to display it on light rail. Every time I board a bus, however, it's expected.

Anonymous said...

Liberal dilemma:

Racial ‘Cleansing’ in L.A.
Federal prosecutors say a powerful Latino gang systematically targeted rival black gang members and innocent black civilians in a reign of terror.

from http://www.newsweek.com/id/61950

Anonymous said...

How "cost-effective" has the American invasion of Iraq been? Are you concerned about the "cost-effective" factor there? I doubt it.

eddie said...

Ever notice how seating is arranged in the MAX cars? Count the seats sometime... then count the seats in a bus. I think you'll be surprised. Then look at ridership OUTSIDE the fareless square. Then maybe... just maybe... look at the intervals between trains.

The FACT of the matter is that the percentage of riders on public transportation has DECLINED since MAX was built. This is an undeniable fact, go look it up.

A friend of ours spent several years highly placed within the police detail for transit. He claims that the local authorities get federal funds matching any loss they post on MAX, so the city is actually doing all it can to lose money, in order to increase federal income. Funny, if I did that, it'd be called tax fraud.

I'm just always surprised that the corporate-backed rail transit lobbies are so loved by the same folks who decry corporate influence... do you really think 19th century electric trains are the best we could do?

Anthony "Not an actor" DeLucca said...

Wrong again...not an actor. However, I've googled my own name, and came up with a gazillion Anthony DeLucca's accross the U.S...From a Miami Lawyer to a federal Micro-Biologist.

Fortunately, I've remained just vigilant enough to keep my own bio from the public view.

All of you morons can keep digging away. I don't sell cars...I'm not an actor, etc., etc,.

Your obsession with my background is amazing however. You really have nothing better to do than try and figure out personal information about some stranger you disagree with on a blog?? Sounds a little borderline obsessive and quite frankly a littel "psycho" to me.

Keep trying you little scrote sacks....you just may find me.

Anthony DeLucca said...

newimprovedNietzsche said:

"And you better answer me boy, or I will cut and paste you and your girlfriend (Daniel) to oblivion.
Holy shit, you guys call this intelligent conversation? WTF?"

Well, it was intelligent conversation until some asshole started cutting-and pasting the site to oblivion. Oh, wait a second....that asshole is you.

"You'd better answer me boy???"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh shit....that's funny.

Anonymous said...

Earlier in Los Angeles, outraged West Hills residents saw a 41-year-old man set a fire and chased him to a restaurant where they held him until cops arrived.

Catalino Pineda, a Guatemalan immigrant on probation for making excessive false emergency reports to law enforcement, was arrested and charged with arson, police said.
At least six deaths have been linked to the wildfires.

The FBI has launched arson investigations into some of the most serious fires that have destroyed more than 1,500 homes and done more than $1 billion in damage.

Anonymous said...

Give them a Bible and that's it.

Welcome to Miglavia.

MAX Redline said...

I FOUND JESUS!
He was in my trunk when I got back from Tijuana.

Anonymous said...

Catalino Pineda, a Guatemalan immigrant ...

Just an immigrant? Not an "illegal alien"? I thought the point of Daniel's Political Musings was to scapegoat illegal immigrants, not ALL immigrants.

Careful Anon 9:26 ... your bigotry is showing.

Benjamin Calvin Dover (call me Ben) said...

Lots of bigoty is showing.
R. Huse, you're a pompous, long-winded blowhard...and a pornographer unless I miss my guess.
Kristopher...well, let's just say, you named your blog appropriately.
And Daniel, really. Grow the fuck up. Get another hobby. Get a girl-friend. Get laid. Get lost. Anything, just get.

Anonymous said...

LOL! Check out the RHuse butt-slapping session at the bottom of the 10/22 thread.

R Huse said...

Well, I guess my problem with mass transit, and why I say no one rides it is because I simply look at the numbers.

If people were riding mass transit, one could reasonably expect the system to pay for itself. Riders tend to pay fares.

Invariably we find the fares are subsidized, generally by businesses in the area.

If so many people are riding mass transit, then why do the fares have to be subsidized?

If mass transit is such a boom for the communities involved, then why are the actual costs hidden through taxing business and not the general population? Wouldn't everyone be willing to pay the taxes, if they felt the mass transit in question was such a boom to their community?

If the main purpose of mass transit is to move people efficiently and at the lowest cost, why trains? Why not busses, which are far more flexible and not nearly as subject to cost over runs?

If bike paths are so great, and so in demand, then why not tax bikes? Surely people would support them if they are so popular.

Motorcycles are far more efficient for transportation than bicycles and are less damaging to the environment than a hybrid car, why not special paths for them?

The answer is its not about moving people efficiently and its not about relieving congestion or anything of the sort. Its about providing ridiculous union scale jobs, under the historically racist Davis- Bacon act, through public works projects and government employment to buy votes. Its about building a constituency of dependency. In short its yet another way government has invented to steal from the productive.

R Huse said...

Ben Calver

I do produce pictures that you might think are pornographic, so maybe under your definition I am. So what?

I'm pretty proud of what I do, at least I produce something people want and makes them happy. Im flattered you looked me up.

I guess since "hang out with nude women" is part of my job description, you are probably a little jealous. Its understandable and I get that reaction a fair amount.

I do commend you on prefacing your statement by saying lots of bigotry was showing. Its quite apt considering the bigotry you in fact show. Pornography is a legal product. You seem quite bigoted towards the profession.

Anonymous said...

If the main purpose of mass transit is to move people efficiently and at the lowest cost, why trains?

Anyone want to take a shot at explaining to Professor RHuse what MAX is?

eddie said...

Sure... MAX is an electrically powered method of moving several tons of metal per passenger every 15 minutes or so around Portland... in a few specific routes, of course, not really anywhere you want to go.

How's that?

R Huse said...

Anonymous 9.55

My post was clearly addressing several mass transit issues. Obviously you missed that.

I was asking why trains are chosen so often for mass transit systems since they are often so inefficient. I did not say Max was a train.

Nice try.

Assignment - Re-read.