Thursday, April 14, 2011

How about just shut up

Portland Public Schools
The Day of Silence, an annual event sponsored by GLSEN (Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network), is Friday, April 15. Students at many of our schools have participated in the last several years. Administrative Directive, 4.40.060-AD states that students are allowed to engage in political activities as long as they are not disruptive to the school's program. Generally, students participating in Day of Silence activities do so in a non-disruptive manner. The only question that has arisen in past years is whether participating students are exempt from speaking in class. The answer is no: where class participation is part of a class' requirements, students must participate in class or be held accountable for the work for that day.
This is listed under "Required Reading" on the "Information for school and central administrators " website.

Oregon City High School
The Day of Silence, founded in 1996 by students at the University of Virginia, is a day where students from across America take a vow of silence to call attention to anti-LGBT remarks and harassment. LGBT is widely recognized as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender. This year, the Day of Silence is April 15.

Franklin High School
The Day of Silence is Friday, April 15th. Come and get your t-shirt in the main hall and sign up to participate. Be silent for one day to commemorate all of those who have been silenced and bullied for their sexual orientation. Questions? See Adrian Smith or Ms. Hall. Sponsored by the Franklin GSA.
Get your t-shirt? Who supplied these? And are they fashionably gay?

Bethel School District
DAY OF SILENCE:
The National Day of Silence is today! Today, thousands of students across the country will respect a vow of silence to draw attention to the silencing effects of all forms of bullying and harassment in our schools. If you’ve signed up to participate, you can still go to room 34 to pick up your silence placard or ribbon of support. The silence will be broken in a ceremony held today; students who are participating will be dismissed at 3:00 pm.

Fact: A 2009 survey found that nearly two-thirds of LGBT students felt unsafe in school because of their sexual orientation. -Thommen & Case (Apr. 15)
Support our political cause and get an early dismissal!

I was going to make a lot of double entendre gay jokes but Portland just had it's first "professional" soccer game tonight which is all the gay I can handle in a single day.

The bottom line is that our taxpayer funded institutions of indoctrination will be spending instructional time telling your kids how much more important they would be if only they were gay.

35 comments:

Kaelri said...

I'm trying very, very hard to remain diplomatic here. Because while I can empathize with a lot of different perspectives, even ones I fervently disagree with, this is one that I can't fathom coming from someone over the age of twelve.

"A 2009 survey found that nearly two-thirds of LGBT students felt unsafe in school because of their sexual orientation." These kids are devoting a whole day to reflecting on the significance of that fact. Did you spend a whole minute? I don't know exactly how old your kids are, but has it ever even occurred to you to prepare yourself for the possibility that you are the parent of a gay or bisexual child? How you would deal with the exclusion that comes with it? The alienation? The stereotyping? The dehumanization? The death threats? And if his teachers make a concerted effort to combat this shameless discrimination and make him feel like he doesn't have to look over his shoulder walking from one classroom to the other, will you still be calling it "indoctrination?" Not educators taking some responsibility as community leaders for giving the next generation a chance to reach adulthood without developing depression, anxiety disorders and PTSD as a result of an asinine cultural superstition that stopped being funny a couple hundred years before the Mayflower hit Plymouth?

Do you think Tyler Clementi felt "more important" than his fellow students at Rutgers? Seth Walsh? Raymond Chase? Matthew Shepherd? You think the straight kids at any of those schools go to sleep at night praying that they turn gay, because it looks like they're all having so much fun? Do you still think it's a punchline when a boy gets beaten to a pulp because he likes to wear pink?

Grow up. Now.

LW said...

I was going to say something, less diplomatically, but Kaelri, you said it all and said it perfectly. I can't much improve on it, but I would add that we are talking about a segment of the student and youth population that we know has a high rate of suicide in large part because of precisely the same childish attitude Miglavs chooses to express here. It speaks volumes about the abysmal level of intellectual and emotional development on Miglavs' part that he regards efforts by teachers to make students feel safe as "indoctrination" to some sort of radical political agenda. The stupidity level on this blog no longer suprises me; I can fathom it coming from someone over twelve when that person is Daniel Miglavs. Imploring him to grow up is a futile gesture; he'll grow up fast when reality smacks him in one form or another someday, on this or any number of other issues, possibly in the form of one of his own children saying, "Dad, I'm gay."

Anonymous said...

To which Miglavs, ever the wise and loving father, will say: "How about just shut up."

Anonymous said...

It Gets Better

Anonymous said...

It continues to amaze me that segments of our society who are constantly telling everyone that "They just want to be treated like everyone else", are constantly coming up with thing like this "Day of silence" to show everyone how different and special they are.

They seperate themselves by having their own nightclubs, newspapers, political organizations, and even their own yellow pages.

Although they may consider themselves "Special", I believe that they are doing themselves a dis-service by allowing the notion that they deserve special treatment and social status. (i.e. hate crime legislation, etc..)

Same goes for minority groups and the like. You can't demand that society afford you equal treatment, while at the same time demanding they treat you special.

Anonymous said...

Well, that's a slightly more advanced "argument" than the "It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!" mantra I was expecting from the Miglavian faithful, but not much.

Anonymous said...

Too funny and sick...

A. School in S/K is Closed today, good! so no "day of silence", glad my kids are missing this tax payer funded brainwashing.

B. My kids, all 3, are normal. i.e. were not sexually abused, don't use drugs or booze. So they will never tell me "Dad, I'm Gay", no matter how hard the Democrats at school try too convince them "it's a healthy life style option, you know having unprotected and painful defying mother nature anal sex and all".

C. If they were brainwashed by the Democrats and tried Gay "sex" (not really sex when forcing a penis into the anal cavity, I would introduce them too PFOX, Parents and friends of Ex-gays (why won't schools allow them on campus? hmmm). Yes these sickos CAN be cured of their mental disease.

D. If you keep your sexual perversities private and you should, then you will fear no one 'cause no one will know of your disease!

Kaelri said...

@Anon 8:59 - Where are you pulling this word "special" from? Certainly none of the links that Daniel posted, none of our comments, and none of the gay people or human rights advocates that I know of.

The point of events like the Day of Silence is to raise awareness of the very unequal treatment that people are already receiving. It's not a privilege to pursue the same kind of companionship as every other human being on Earth without being harassed, threatened, attacked, tortured and subordinated by those who can't handle their own insecurities, while the people who could help either ignore you or tell you that you deserve it because of a choice that was never yours to make. It's a right, and it's a right that people in every society in the world, almost certainly including people you call family and friends, are being denied every day.

I don't want to tell gay kids that they're better than everyone else. I want to tell them they're not worse than everyone else. And meanwhile, some of the people around here are trying to send the opposite message. If we had a state of equality, hate crimes legislation would be redundant. If we had equality, GSAs and gay pride parades would be unnecessary. They exist only to compensate for mass, blatant discrimination. They exist to protect people from being denied opportunities and basic rights. They exist to prevent murders and suicides. They don't want to be "special," they want to stop being treated like shit for no reason. What possible objection can you have to that?

Anonymous said...

Hope this only in High School for those in puberty, as the democrats in California are brainwashing toddlers, yes Toddlers, that Anal Sex is goooood!

Somehow those 2 male penguins had a baby!?

Little Johnny, in just a few years you are really going to want to have a penis in your mouth, no really it's ok...

Anonymous said...

As a Black American Man (never ever been to Africa so drop that pc crap) people like Kaelri make me very mad by using the Diversity or Human rights baloney for people with a serious illness - gays.
Stop stealing our march from slavery/opression and handing it to weirdos who would vanish from earth as they cannot have more kids, in a normal world that is.

Anonymous said...

As straight and white is vanishing, will they get a Special day of silence soon as well.

Hispanics have their special day and now Gays, what about the people that Founded and Built this great Nation - White and not gay Men?

Where is their special day of silence?

Gay J said...

Anon 12:24:

Your kids are three? And you're convinced they're "normal"? Well for their sake, I hope to God they are, by your definition, "normal." Otherwise they're in for a life of misery ... a life of misery so long as they're anywhere near you.

News flash: Even if you are somehow able to successfully steer your kids away from every vice in the book and somehow prevent them from ever hearing any opinion different from yours or ever even encountering a liberal or a Democrat, and you bury their noses in the Bible and crowbar them into a church pew every Sunday morning and Wednesday night, guess what? They still might be gay. No matter how hard you try to convince them that they have a "disease" if they are.

And here's the serious shit: If they are, guess what? They're not going to tell you. In fact, they may flat-out lie to your bigot ass just so they don't have to worry about being disowned or thrown out in the street. They're going to keep it secret as long as they're living at home, and then, assuming they don't kill themselves out of guilt, they're going to get the hell out of there and far away from you so they can live their lives honestly and with dignity. And if they find someone to share their life with, they may not even tell you that, either.

So regardless of how your three-year-olds turn out, you're pretty much destined, either way, to spend your life in ignorance.

Have a nice life.

MAX Redline said...

@Kaelri:

They don't want to be "special," they want to stop being treated like shit for no reason.

Call when you get back from the "Gay Pride" parade. "We're here, we're queer, and we're in your face!"

Of course they don't want to be special - they already believe that they are. And it's everybody else's responsibility to step up and recognize it. That's why they have parades, where they prance around mostly naked and flaunt their sexual proclivities.

You have it completely backwards: it's not that they don't want to be treated like shit; quite the contrary. They demand it by such tactics. Then claim that they're "abused".

How about this tactic: don't hold parades, shouting slogans such as the one cited above. How about just STFU and try to live life like everybody else, rather than making a big deal out of your sexual preferences?

Normal people don't define everything in their lives by their bedroom habits, but it's common among many homosexuals. They're trying to extend all that into the classroom, and it's reprehensible.

Toggle on name-calling; standard practice for Leftists.

MAX Redline said...

@ "GayJ":

Gay? Gosh, you not only don't seem happy, you seem ignorant and pissy.

Maybe you aren't "gay", after all.

Maybe you're just another homosexual trying to misappropriate a word in the English language, in the hope that by doing so, your constant and public emphasis upon sexual activity will somehow become acceptable.

Anonymous said...

... where they prance around mostly naked and flaunt their sexual proclivities.

The heterosexual community, of course, got a head start on all this: Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, etc. Getting marriage and anniversary pictures in the paper ("Hey everybody, look at us! We're fucking and proud of it!"), soap operas and hell, the entire motion picture industry, for that matter. Every pop song I heard growing up as a teen was either about some guy who had a hardon for a girl, or a girl who was goo-gah over a guy. Going for long walks in the park and on the beach, holding hands in front of everyone. Valentine's Day. And you want parades? Gays got nothing on Mardi Gras. Heterosexuals, flaunting it everywhere. All the time! Demanding acceptance and attention. And you guys get a wild hair up your ass about an annual school event and a parade here and there?

I'm laughing at you.

LW said...

Max, let me get this -- pardon the pun -- straight:

You're comparing the 5 percent of Gay Pride Parade participants who make fools of themselves by prancing around in their underwear with a school event intended to draw attention to the fact that gay students are often bullied and shouldn't be?

Is that your best argument, or did you have something to add?

Anonymous said...

"Dad, I'm gay, and my boyfriend is from Mexico."

Anonymous said...

I do not have a 3 year old kid, f-ing Democrats don't read details as usual, I have THREE Kids, 2 teens and 1 adult and no they are not infected with the "Gay" disease.

If they were I would at least try too cure them instead of OUR Schools brain washing all of them too try this disgusting "Lifestyle" choice.

Idiot on the Playboy, Hustler, stuff...God or mother nature wants real MEN too want real WOMEN so that more humans will continue to inhabit this planet, if we were all "Gay", humans would vanish from here dummy.

If you Gay males do not like naked girls, like playboy, hustler, etc. do not buy them dummy.

KEEP ANAL, painful bloody asshole, cock sucking, cum swallowing, disgusting Gay Sex out of our schools!

Anonymous said...

Quite a rant, 9:38. What passion! What a knowledge of detail!

Interested? ;-)

Kaelri said...

@Anon 9:38 - While I find your fixation on the logistics of sex to be a little crude, I should note that what you're describing is also done by heterosexual couples, and nobody seems to find that remarkable. Sex is messy, and nobody is asking you to watch them do it - in fact, they'd probably prefer if you didn't. I realize that you are bothered by the simple existence of this behavior, much as I am bothered by the existence of Jersey Shore. But we're both going to have to live with our pain.

The American Psychiatric Association stopped classifying homosexuality as a "disease" in 1973. There are zero confirmed cases of people who were able to change their sexual orientation by any method; all of them have been debunked. Do you think that's because of a liberal conspiracy to unravel the fabric of Western civilization? Or do you think our country's doctors might actually know what they're talking about?

You're right that the human species would disappear if we were all gay. That would also be true if we were all blind, deaf, paraplegic, hemophiliac, infertile, or Mel Gibson. So I'm not sure what your point is. Being gay is not something that is being advertised; that would only make sense if it were something you could choose.

I feel like I'm arguing with someone who hasn't read a newspaper since 1968.

Finally, I would like to report that I find your use of the word "dummy" neither intimidating nor convincing, and whatever rhetorical purpose you had in writing it have probably not been achieved.

MAX Redline said...

@ anonymouse 306 & LW:

Gays got nothing on Mardi Gras. Heterosexuals, flaunting it everywhere.

Oh. Silly me. I didn't realize that Mardi Gras was actually billed as a "Hetero Pride March".

That's probably because it isn't.

Unlike the ubiquitous "Gay Pride March" events, where they chant things like "We're queer! We're here! And we're in your face!"

I don't see that kind of aggressive display elsewhere. And frankly, I don't want them "in my face" - I want them to STFU and get on with life.

I don't care if people want to hold hands as they walk down a street; what I object to is the continuing and loud demands for recognition.

You, anonymouse, bring up magazines like Penthouse, while ignoring the myriad of homosexual-oriented magazines. If that's the best you can bring, you got nothing.

You're comparing the 5 percent of Gay Pride Parade participants who make fools of themselves by prancing around in their underwear with a school event intended to draw attention to the fact that gay students are often bullied and shouldn't be?

LW: Believe it or not, when I attended 1-12, we had bullies. They didn't pick on others because they were perceived as homosexual; they picked on others whom they perceived as weak. Sexual proclivity or identity was not a factor.

I don't believe that anyone should be bullied. Period. And I got into a heck of a lot of fights with bullies. They didn't pick fights with me because they thought I might be homosexual, they did it because I was small and thin - an easy target, or so they thought.

Big mistake on their part, as I learned early on that when something like that goes down, there's no such thing as a "fair fight". One particularly memorable event occurred when "Calvin" followed me off the bus and jumped me, then demanded that we simply box. I agreed, lured him in, then took him down and began strangling him.

A burly utility worker separated us; by which time "Calvin" had turned blue. "Calvin" survived, I suspect, because of that intervention. He never messed with me again.

Eventually, I reached a whopping 5'9" in height, though I never hit 150 pounds in weight. And at nearly 60 years, it's unlikely that I ever will.

I was, in many respects, like the kid on the back page of the comic books, getting sand kicked in his face by the muscular bully. It had nothing to do with sexual orientation; it was perception: "I can beat this little kid".

I didn't need, nor ask for, "special treatment". We didn't have a "Day of Silence" nor anything else. I learned to take the bullies down, and by any means necessary, short of using a weapon.

I agree with anon859. Homosexuals do themselves no favors by playing the "victim" card. And we do them no favors by enabling them.

Anonymous said...

I think what 9:38 wants to see stopped is the daily hands-on demonstration of cock-sucking and cum-swallowing in elementary school classrooms. I mean, they do that all the time. And its the Democrats' fault. How do I know this? I saw it on FOX News.

Bobkatt said...

Kaelri-"I should note that what you're describing is also done by heterosexual couples, and nobody seems to find that remarkable.

It may surprise you that many people still find sodomy "remarkable". Laws against it weren't officially removed in Texas until the 2003 Lawrence v. Texas supreme court ruling. Not that long ago.
It is still illegal in 60 or 70 countries in the world.
I also don't see much logic in your argument that the human species would disappear if everyone were "gay, blind, deaf, paraplegic, hemophiliac, infertile, or Mel Gibson.
Gay couples often do have children and by your proposition lead otherwise normal lives so I assume they would populate the Earth as would the others mentioned. I don't know why you chose to throw Mel into the mix but on that you are correct in that if everyone was a male then the human race would indeed disappear.

Kaelri said...

@Bobkatt:

> Laws against it weren't officially removed in Texas until the 2003 Lawrence v. Texas supreme court ruling. Not that long ago. It is still illegal in 60 or 70 countries in the world.

In my state, we have a law against walking around with an ice cream cone in one's pocket on a Sunday afternoon. The law doesn't always mean what you think. More to the point, laws tend to change slower than cultures - a tendency of which there is no better example than this country's attitude toward gay rights.

> Gay couples often do have children and by your proposition lead otherwise normal lives so I assume they would populate the Earth as would the others mentioned.

Well, in a sense, yes. I was trying to acknowledge Anon 9:38's point that if everyone were gay, and therefore had no heterosexual attraction, we'd probably reproduce a lot less. But his implication was that this is somehow an argument against being gay, which is incoherent because it's not a choice for anyone to make.

I mentioned Mel for the sake of humor. No reason this can't be fun.

@Max:

> I don't see that kind of aggressive display elsewhere. And frankly, I don't want them "in my face" - I want them to STFU and get on with life.

...then what are you doing at the parade, man? Attendance isn't compulsory.

But seriously, I think you need to acknowledge LW's point that the number of obnoxious exhibitionists are a small percentage of gay pride participants, who are themselves are an infinitesimal percentage of all LGTB people. Most don't have anything to do with the "gay community." They're just people trying to live their lives without being defined by their romantic preferences. They do not - this bears repeating - want special treatment. They have no desire to advertise their sexual inclinations, much less rub your nose in them. But they do want the freedom to hold hands in broad daylight without being called diseased, degenerate and a threat to society, which I think is more than fair.

> You, anonymouse, bring up magazines like Penthouse, while ignoring the myriad of homosexual-oriented magazines. If that's the best you can bring, you got nothing.

Oh, don't try to turn that around on him. There's hardly a movie or a TV show in existence that doesn't feature prominent scenes with heterosexual couples kissing and displaying romantic affection - and once again, this is not something that most people find remarkable - nor a radio station that isn't bursting with only the gushiest kind of 'traditional' love songs. Of course it's in our faces. But you don't mind it so much because it's the kind that's familiar to you.

> I was, in many respects, like the kid on the back page of the comic books, getting sand kicked in his face by the muscular bully. It had nothing to do with sexual orientation; it was perception: "I can beat this little kid".

You can't possibly think that your one personal experience is representative of every other antagonistic social dynamic faced by young people before or since. To be blunt, you are simply not that stupid.

> I agree with anon859. Homosexuals do themselves no favors by playing the "victim" card. And we do them no favors by enabling them.

And I'm going to be blunt again: teenagers don't kill themselves to spite Republicans. I don't know how a person can come to the conclusion that a person who's lost his job, or been kicked out of his house, or refused service by a business, or been harassed by his peers, or been beaten, or been threatened with death, or had such a threat fulfilled with extreme prejudice, is not a bona fide victim of a degree of abuse that cannot possibly be justified by someone who calls himself conservative, or Christian, or American. You are avoiding the reality of this issue, and it is not courageous.

LW said...

I'm just sort of sitting here watching this, and again I must say to you Kaelri: Well-said!

Kaelri said...

Thanks. :)

MAX Redline said...

@ Kaelri:

You can't possibly think that your one personal experience is representative of every other antagonistic social dynamic faced by young people before or since. To be blunt, you are simply not that stupid.

I cited but one of many examples. We had cops in my high school lunchroom because of the race wars.

We had "white supremacists" and "black supremacists" back in the day. I chose to mention "Calvin" because he was a white guy who figured he could kick me around because I was a smaller white guy and I didn't conform to his views.

Hardly an isolated incident, and to return the jibe, I find it hard to believe that you'd be so stupid as to suggest that my view was based upon a single incident.

I grew up in the 50's and 60's, son. You may not know much about those times, being educated and enlightened and all. You ever have a cop check your lunch tray to make sure the knife and fork were still there? Hell, no.

But you sure can talk.

Lordy, you got all the answers. Just like every other kid out there today.

Oh, don't try to turn that around on him. There's hardly a movie or a TV show in existence that doesn't feature prominent scenes with heterosexual couples kissing and displaying romantic affection - and once again, this is not something that most people find remarkable.

Um. He's the one who brought up Hustler and Penthouse; I noted that homosexuals have just as much material available. But if you insist on bringing up movies and music, wasn't "Brokeback Mountain" a big hit? Ever heard of David Bowie? "Rebel, Rebel"?

If you want to cherry-pick, we can go back and forth for years. Well, you can. You're way younger than me, quite obviously.

And I'm going to be blunt again: teenagers don't kill themselves to spite Republicans. I don't know how a person can come to the conclusion that a person who's lost his job, or been kicked out of his house, or refused service by a business, or been harassed by his peers, or been beaten, or been threatened with death, or had such a threat fulfilled with extreme prejudice, is not a bona fide victim of a degree of abuse that cannot possibly be justified by someone who calls himself conservative, or Christian, or American. You are avoiding the reality of this issue, and it is not courageous.

My nephew hung himself from a bridge. True story.

Know what? That teenager wasn't unusual. He didn't kill himself to "spite Republicans", and quite frankly, I don't know where you manage to dig to come up with such bull.

I don't think anybody here (other than you) has managed such a stretch. You've managed to push the boundaries of obnoxiousness, sanctimony, and general poor taste to amazing new depths.

I imagine you'd like to be congratulated. Fine: here's your gold star.

Now, don't you feel special?

Anonymous said...

All this catering to the GLBT students in the public schools in nothing more than pure, unadulterated bullshit. Schools are there to educate the kids, not to subject them to a lot of political correctness crap like this.

And before you Anonymice out there start your ranting and raving about what I have said here, remember it is your tax dollars that is funding this garbage. Is that what you want your money, taken from you at the figurative point of a gun BTW, to be squandered away. The government pisses away too damn much money as it is without pissing it away on this crap.

Scottiebill

Kaelri said...

@Max: First, I'd like to point something out. At no point in this discussion have I resorted to condecension, namecalling, or attacking the character of other participants. While others pursue alternative strategies - harassing Daniel about his criminal past, for example - I prefer to conduct myself under a veil of ignorance with regard to the people I'm talking to. I don't assume that you feel the way you do because you're a racist, a fundamentalist, a homophobe, or any other such labels. I don't assume that I comprehend your life's experience. I prefer to think that truth is truth, no matter whose mouth it comes out of. You don't have to afford me the same respect, but I think we'd both benefit if you did.

> Know what? That teenager wasn't unusual. He didn't kill himself to "spite Republicans", and quite frankly, I don't know where you manage to dig to come up with such bull.

I believe you've misunderstood me, and I apologize if I was unclear. I am responding to your complaint that gay people are "playing the victim card" - i.e. they express themselves as they do in order to garner attention and sympathy. You imply that their duress is feigned, not sincerely felt. You claimed earlier that they "demand" this treatment by their "tactics," as if the behavior a fraction of a fraction of the gay population justifies the punishment of all. You imply, in other words, that gay people aren't really the victims in this system, but the instigators, and that the misery that drove kids like Tyler Clementi to suicide was not legitimate, but rather a spiteful reaction, directed at those who denied him 'special treatment.' That is my interpretation of the judgment you have made, and I do stand by it.

I wish you could see past all the sex and look at this in terms of human relationships - of families. I don't know if you're married, but if you are, try to imagine that your friends, your parents, and your whole community ostracized you and demonized you for wanting to spend the rest of your life in a committed, supportive relationship with your wife. Not because of her personality, or her background, or her economic status, but because somewhere floating around in the nucleus of her body's cells, there's a microscopic molecule called an X chromosome instead of a Y chromosome. Imagine that your wedding was not a celebration and a validation of a great institution, but had to be carried out in secret, maybe in some dingy town hall in another state, because if your community knew what was happening, you would fear for your life, and hers. And they tell you you're sick, you're a pervert, you're a disgrace. You're inferior for wanting those things. (And for some reason they insist on visualizing the ways that you have sex and forming their own disgusted opinions about it. You could have been one of those couples who never even have sex, but still, you're made to answer for it, and from then on, it defines their perception of you, more than anything you've done, care about or believe.) All of the accomplishment, companionship and strength that comes with building a family, denied to you - for what? Plumbing.

Whose life is made better by this denial? It doesn't matter how old you are, what decades you grew up in, how much education you have or how self-righteously you dismiss the validity of my opinions. That is the question you need to answer.

MAX Redline said...

@ Kaelri:

@Max: First, I'd like to point something out. At no point in this discussion have I resorted to condecension, namecalling, or attacking the character of other participants.

While generally that is the case, it has not been a goal you've attained in this thread.

..then what are you doing at the parade, man? Attendance isn't compulsory.

And look again at some of the other comments highlighted previously. I suggest that your position on the moral high ground could do with reassessment.

I don't assume that I comprehend your life's experience.

Ah, but you did: You can't possibly think that your one personal experience is representative of every other antagonistic social dynamic faced by young people before or since. To be blunt, you are simply not that stupid.

You assumed that when I called upon one example, that only one personal experience constituted the basis of argument. In so doing, you assumed that you understand the experiences in my life.

Now, you seem to feel that my response was over the top; if so, I do apologize. I bear you no ill will, though I was perturbed by your tenor, and my response reflected that.

I am responding to your complaint that gay people are "playing the victim card" - i.e. they express themselves as they do in order to garner attention and sympathy. You imply that their duress is feigned, not sincerely felt. You claimed earlier that they "demand" this treatment by their "tactics," as if the behavior a fraction of a fraction of the gay population justifies the punishment of all.

Corrections: I stated that I agreed with an anon poster who believed that homosexuals play the victim card. That they do so is without question. I implied nothing in terms of their feelings. Nor did I in any way imply that all should be "punished".

I have further stated that there are people in this world who prey upon what they perceive as weakness, that it has little or nothing to do with sexual orientation, and I offered an example of some of my experience; noting that due to my physical characteristics, I experienced antagonistic interaction first-hand. Moreover, I noted that the effective response in such situations is to refuse to allow it.

In terms of the parades: what I said was that I don't like the shouted slogans, specifically, the "We're here, we're queer, and we're in your face" slogan. As I specifically noted, I think they should STFU and get on with life, just like the rest of us do. The vast majority of heteros don't hold parades, and they don't run around yelling about their sex lives. That's because normal people don't view everything in their lives through the prism of sexual orientation.

People who do so are, quite simply, abnormal. You may consider such people to constitute a small minority of the homosexual population, but I don't think that evidence exists to support such a contention. In any case, their vocal and bizarre behavior affects mainstream perception of homosexuals, which is another reason why they should shut up.

What I find especially intriguing, Kaelri, is that we need to have a "Day of Silence" in public schools, here in the USA.

Where is the "outrage" (in public schools) over the fact that in most Islamist countries, the penalty for being considered (not proven) homosexual is death? Crick, crick, crick....

Oh yes: Islam is The Religion of Peace™, and so we should Celebrate! that, as we should Celebrate! all manner of "Diversity".

This is one of the many problems with vegetation in this country these days: we aren't educating kids in our schools; we're filling them full of propaganda and feel-good stuff, and we're growing vegetables.

The "Day of Silence" is but one example.

LW said...

... it has not been a goal you've attained in this thread.

I believe it has. Kaelri is consistently the most cordial, polite and articulate of anyone on this blog -- including the person who runs the blog. I think you mistake the passion and force with which he makes his argument, for what you term "condecension." I'm glad I let him run with this one, because I know I wouldn't have been nearly as polite. If you want to see real condecension, go back and look at some of the sanctimonious nonsense FP has written (on other threads).

Daniel said...

This whole thread has gotten pretty gay...

LW said...

Like I said: Of anyone.

MAX Redline said...

It's better to be black than gay because when you're black you don't have to tell your mother.

FP said...

"If you want to see real condecension [sic], go back and look at some of the sanctimonious nonsense FP has written (on other threads)."

This from the person who couldn't see the actual dictionary definition of the word "bigot" for what it was.