Earl Blumenauer is the first member of Oregon’s Congressional Delegation to sign on as a co-sponsor of the new amnesty bill. He's been on the government payroll for his entire adult life so it's no wonder that he supports moochers.
If you live in this guys district let him know that he won't be getting your vote in 2010. If he doesn't care about that then let him know that you plan on taking some unecessary car trips to punish the planet for his position.
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Miglavs, those people south 'o the border were given their rights by God, and one of those rights (God tells me, anyway) is that they have the right to ride their bikes across the border in either direction whenever they want without having the government tell them otherwise, and last I heard, (from Him) rights bestowed by God trump your xenophobia ... so deal with it.
Juan: If you talk to God, you're religious. If God talks to you, you're psychotic.
Susan B. Anthony said it best: "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."
Funny Juan,
Funny how the Mexican government has armed guards on its southern border. Funny how the Mexican government shots those who dare break into to Mexico from the south. Funny funny funny huh Juan.
Perhaps those in the Mexican government are bigots and xenophobes when it comes to their neighbors to the south. Funny huh Juan.
I guess when MEXICO allows just anyone to come in...at any time....
We might think about it. But as long as MEXICO continues to enforce their..xenophobia on their brothers to the south...piss off Juan. Move back to Mexico and get them to change..then come and talk to us.
good day.
Pinkie French
Scottiebill, I'll believe your sincerity when I see you throw that (excellent) quote back in Miglavs face the next time he cites God as his authority for [whatever Miglavs thinks is right].
Pinkie: I was born in the United States, so from one American to another: Fuck you.
P.S. Actually, I should say: Whatever Miglavs happens to claim he believes on that particular day, since the guy couldn't be politically consistent from one day to the next to save his life. And if you have to ask for an explanation, an explanation would be lost on you.
Juan, if you are an American fine, however, do not point your boney finger at US policy on immigration. If you think our policy is bad, just take a look to the south. THAT WAS THE POINT. When Mexico fixes theirs then bitch about ours...okay. But then if you are just another troll...PISS OFF.
ps juan, OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM IS BROKEN. WE NEED TO FIX IT. THOSE HERE ILLEGALLY NEED TO LEAVE, AND APPLY TO COME BACK JUST LIKE THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO.
Pinkie
I agree that it's broken ... it's "broken" because it can't work. You cannot stop people from immigrating to where the work is. You can't. You might as well try to stop people from having sex. Point to one country in the history of the world that has had what you'd call a successful immigration policy. No country with attractive economic opportunities to workers has EVER been able to stop illegal immigration. ANYWHERE. EVER. This is a totally lost cause. You're trying to win a war that not only can never be won, it was lost as soon as human beings learned how to put one foot in front of the other. Build a wall a mile and a half high ... it still won't work, and you'll be out a few more gazillion tax dollars.
Just because I don't want my country to turn into a 3rd world shite hole doesn't make me xenophobic, racist, KKK, or whatever other imaginary term you want to call me.
Being far more charitable than you probably deserve, even if you weren't racist, your fear of a "3rd world shite hole" being imported to the United States courtesy of anyone south of the border, by definition, DOES make you xenophobic, and the fact that you don't understand that also makes you an idiot.
Anon 5:12,
When are you ever going to learn that this whole "debate" is about illegal immigration? Very few are arguing for banning ALL immigration. However, you and your ilk just can't seem to get it through your thick heads that those who oppose illegal immigration do so on the grounds that it's, well... ILLEGAL.
Has it ever occurred to you leftists that there may be REASONS we have laws regulating immigration?
BTW, a good way to "fix" the immigration system in this country might be to, oh... say, I don't know, maybe ENFORCE THE LAWS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. Wouldn't that be a good start?
... or improve and update the laws to put better ones on the books, to boost the economy, increase profitability, and create jobs.
For those who can think, now http://ThinkProgress.ORG
Study predicts $1.5 trillion increase in GDP if undocumented immigrants are legalized. - Jan 7th, 2010
A new study by University of California at Los Angeles professor Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda suggests that comprehensive immigration reform, which includes an earned path to legalization for undocumented immigrants, could generate at least $1.5 trillion in added U.S. gross domestic product over 10 years. Hinojosa explains the data behind his immense calculation:
* All immigrant workers in this scenario have full labor rights, which results in higher wages — and higher worker productivity—for all workers in industries where large numbers of immigrants are employed. As wage and productivity levels rise, the U.S. economy’s demand for new immigrant workers actually declines over time as the market shrinks for easily exploited, low-wage, low-productivity workers. [...]
* The higher earning power of newly legalized workers translates into an increase in net personal income of $30 to $36 billion, which would generate $4.5 to $5.4 billion in additional net tax revenue. Moreover, an increase in personal income of this scale would generate consumer spending sufficient to support 750,000 to 900,000 jobs . . .
According to Hinojosa, a mass deportation program often cited by right-wing enforcement-only advocates would actually result in a loss of $2.6 trillion over ten years while a solution that only consists of a temporary worker program that labor unions vehemently oppose and some moderate Republicans support would only yield $792 billion increase in GDP and also lead to a decrease in wages.
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More at the Wonk Room. - http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/01/07/legalization-immigration/
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Raising the Floor for American Workers
The Economic Benefits of Comprehensive Immigration Reform
Comprehensive immigration reform that legalizes currently unauthorized immigrants and
creates flexible legal limits on future immigration in the context of full labor rights would
help American workers and the U.S. economy. - By Dr. Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda | January 7, 2010
It seems to me that there are a couple of problems with this exhaustive study.
One- "As wage and productivity levels rise, the U.S. economy’s demand for new immigrant workers actually declines over time as the market shrinks for easily exploited, low-wage, low-productivity workers. [...]" In a global economy how are we going to force employers to pay higher wages when many jobs can be moved overseas? Exactly how will the market shrink for easily exploited, low-wage, low-productivity workers?
Two- "Comprehensive immigration reform that legalizes currently unauthorized immigrants and
creates flexible legal limits on future immigration in the context of full labor rights would
help American workers and the U.S. economy." If we learned anything from the 1986 Immigration Reform, it was that legalized invaders are immediately replaced by a future crop of illegals if you don't have the will power to close the borders. And according to your earlier post, "No country with attractive economic opportunities to workers has EVER been able to stop illegal immigration. ANYWHERE. EVER."
at least if they are biking across the border they wont't be emitting any of those bad fumes from there cars , You know the ones that cause global warming/cooling. If they could only make up there minds on which one , or which way to try and milk us out of our money.! whats next from our wounderful guberment!
Anon 10:04 presents the Miglavian version of reality (the bullshit version):
When are you ever going to learn that this whole "debate" is about illegal immigration?
Actual reality:
" ... our aims include reducing legal immigration ..."
(From Oregonians for Immigration Reform, home page)
Have any more smoke you want to blow up my ass, Anon?
Juan: What I posted yesterday stands. And it can be directed at both sides of the debate, not only at the side you, Juan, disagree with.
Daniel has made some very good points about the illegal alien problem over the last few years - a whole lot more good ones than bad ones. But, to hear and read what you anti-Daniel naysayers post almost daily, one would think that Daniel is ALWAYS wrong and you guys are ALWAYS right. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
It is getting to the point that if Daniel says it is raining outside (which it is, at least in my neighborhood) you guys would be calling him a racist, anti-American, anti-this or anti-that. It is getting old and, quite honestly, very boring.
Good catch 8:18. I also noticed that if you Google OFIR, the single line of text that pops up underneath it reads:
Views immigration as an attack on American sovereignty.
Not just illegal immigration, but immigration, period. Can't have those foreigners coming here to live! Ewwwwww!
Of course, this isn't xenophobic. Not at all. No sir-eeeeee. No xenophobia here. ;-)
Juan, those people south 'o the border (Mexican border) were given their rights by God, and one of those rights (God tells you, anyway) is that they have the right to ride their bikes across the border in either direction whenever they want without having the government tell them (OR SHOOT THEM) otherwise, and last you heard, (from Him? god? could god be female?) rights bestowed by God trump your xenophobia and sexism, and idiocy ... so deal with it.
Anon 8:18,
You know full well all the hot air coming from your side of the aisle is promoting illegal immigration. You just don't want it to look that way, because if you came right out and admitted it, you would suddenly find your position rather difficult to defend.
You want to know what reality is, anon? The feds (not to mention some states and localities) are trying to give away the store to people who are simply entering the country without going through the immigration process. For you lefties, it bears repeating: IT IS AGAINST THE LAW.
This giveaway has been going on for years. Remember amnesty in '86, drafted by a Democrat congress and signed by President Reagan? Remember the Kennedy-McCain amnesty fiasco in 2007, which President Bush wanted to sign? (I never said Republicans were perfect.)
Even now, Democrats are trying to yet again push amnesty onto the American public, even though two short years ago the public not only said "no" but "Hell, no!" Our current laws regarding immigration are not being enforced and police in many municipalities are actually being told not to check on immigration status during traffic stops.
All this for illegal aliens, a segment of which go on to break other laws by committing identity theft, rape, murder, drunk driving, etc. This, anon, is what all the commotion is about: government-sponsored lawlessness, not some outfit in Oregon, whose Alexa rating doesn't even register a blip on the radar. What, you think government encouraging contempt for the law is going to magically bring peace and harmony?
Look around you, anon. How many groups other than OFIR are making any hay out of legal immigration? Are you stuck in a time warp, thinking that today's conservatives are pushing a debate this country had a century ago? Do you honestly think all this flap is about LEGAL immigration?
By the way, anon, in my earlier post (10:04) I did acknowledge the possibility of groups such as OFIR pushing for a moratorium on all immigration, but I guess you missed that part, judging by the total lack of relevance and insight put forth by you.
Oh, and it's worth noting (this is for you, anon 1:38) that OFIR is "Advocating For An Environmentally Sustainable Level Of Immigration" which is also from their home page. Based on your love of tossing about leftist Guilt-Inducing™ words (you really need to expand your vocabulary; "xenophobia" and all its derivatives are becoming passé), you should feel right at home with them.
I'm not a "leftie," you idiot, I'm a Libertarian. Look it up. And my position is very easy to defend, because it's quite simple: Human beings (not just American human beings, but ALL of them) should have the freedom to live, work and play where they choose without having to solicit "permission" from the government; ANY government. And if you're going to respond with the typical Miglavian "argument" that that means I should let 20 "illegal aliens" live in my house, try again, because that's no argument, because that's obviously not what I'm arguing FOR, and obviously, no one, no Libertarian on the planet would think that. Immigration LAWS create the vast majority of the problems, which is the same situation with drugs. "Lefties" want to regulate society with more laws; I believe human beings ought to live in freedom with only those laws that are needed, primarily, to provide for public safety, and I DON'T need a law to prevent some Latino woman from handing me my burger and fries at McDonalds simply because she doesn't have a government-issued "papers" in her pocket.
You ask: Do you honestly think all this flap is about LEGAL immigration? In Oregon, certainly, that answer is provided by the very organization that is fighting immigration. My post above (and the Anon that followed, 1:38) revealed that as the TOTAL lie that it is, and it didn't take some ingenious detective work to figure it out: OFIR's own public position states otherwise, and I'm guessing that opinion is a lot more widespread than you make out. I've talked to folks like you who are pissed off about "illegals," but when you get them talking, you find out that, really, they simply think there are "too many" of those people here, and that ALL immigration needs to be stemmed or stopped.
I guess I was right ... you did have some more smoke to blow up my ass.
Anon 8:18/6:39,
Your little scenario describing humans flitting about the planet like so many bumblebees sounds so flowery and pristine... until you realize there are evil people in the world, as well as evil governments. Apparently you've never heard of the saying "Good fences make good neighbors." Applies to nations as well as suburbs. Or are you suggesting we do away with the idea of nation-states and borders and just live as one, big, happy earth family?
"And if you're going to respond with the typical Miglavian "argument" that that means I should let 20 "illegal aliens" live in my house, try again, because that's no argument, because that's obviously not what I'm arguing FOR..."
You need to do better than that, anon. Merely declaring a certain argument off limits does not make it null and void. In this case, you need to explain where the analogy breaks down, and so far you haven't done it.
"Immigration LAWS create the vast majority of the problems..."
Yet you fail to identify what those problems are. I've already identified the problems with letting any yahoo traipse across our borders.
"'Lefties' want to regulate society with more laws; I believe human beings ought to live in freedom with only those laws that are needed, primarily, to provide for public safety..."
Agreed.
"...and I DON'T need a law to prevent some Latino woman from handing me my burger and fries at McDonalds simply because she doesn't have a government-issued ‘papers’…"
Silly me. I should have realized every single person who crosses the border illegally just wants to serve us burgers and fries. 'Cause, after all, illegal aliens NEVER commit crimes. Ever.
"In Oregon..."
Oregon's a wonderful state, isn't it? But, just in case you missed it, the scope of my post dealt with illegal immigration as a NATIONAL issue, not merely a local one. Your diatribe regarding OFIR and its opinions (and all you've got is guesswork regarding how widespread their opinions are in Oregon) is therefore a red herring.
Another thing, if our country's immigration debate were about legal immigration, then why is it all the sob stories and anecdotes emanating from the media and the left in general always feature some poor, downtrodden person or family who just happens to be here illegally?
And finally, I am going to make it perfectly clear to you in case you haven't gotten it by now: I AM NOT AGAINST LEGAL IMMIGRATION. The point is people who are against treating illegals like citizens are incorrectly being labeled as “anti-immigrant.” If there's going to be an honest debate, then at the very least the misnomers need to be dispensed with. Painting people with a broad brush, using mostly anecdotes and applying broad labels to the opposition to support an untenable position is sloppy argumentation, and disingenuous in the hands of those who wish to do us harm.
Finally, some advice: Fire your PR firm. Apparently they're not representing your political ideology very well. If you want to be thought of as a libertarian, then why not come across as one, rather than some snarky leftist who merely takes potshots?
Anon 5:12 PM our immigrations system is broken because the laws are not being enforced. It is broken because our current crop of politicians won't enforce the laws.
If you had drunk drivers getting away with killing people on the roads and they are just let go. Would you call that a broken system or the laws not being enforced?
Stopping illegal immigration is not a lost cause. You probably think incarcerating murderers and rapists is a lost cause because it still happens.
Your final paragraph cracked me up.
"Build a wall a mile and a half high ... it still won't work, and you'll be out a few more gazillion tax dollars."
Israel built a wall for a million a mile. Let us $10 million a mile for our southern border. That is only $10 billion to build it. It would cost much less to maintain it. Israel's wall works quite well and it is not a mile and a half high. So, we can give the developing nations like china and india a hundred billion dollars for this global warming scam but we can't build a wall for a few measly billions that would prevent our children from being raped and murdered?
Your priorities are fucked up. Your logic is fucked up. You are fucked up.
My mistake on the above post, it would cost $20 billion to build it. I have not had any coffee today.
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