Saturday, July 04, 2009

July 4th

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


Reality Check said...

So what are you really trying to say here with this selective cut-and-paste job from the ol' Declaration of Independence? You want another revolution? Have you thought this through? You plan to aim that macho man rifle of yours at ... The Gov'mint? Is that what you want? Maybe just a little?

Couple things about that Miglavs, that you may want to know: 1) If you start shooting at The Gov'mint, you're likely to be squaring off with the very troops that you right-wingers demand that we support, and a scenario that has you shooting at them is, well, problematic for starters. I could go on, but on to ...

2) Attempting to overthrow The Gov'mint, as glorious and romantic as you probably imagine it to be, also happens to be ... um, let's see, what's the word? Oh yes -- "illegal."

'Nuff said.

Anonymous said...

What's with this cryptic citation of the Declaration of Independence? It almost seems as if you're posting this because you find some current merit in overthrowing the U.S. Government.

And you continue to wonder Daniel how come your ilk is increasingly the voice of irrelevance in this country? I might speculate that if the best you can do these days is put forth bat-shit crazy, coy suggestions of government overthrow, it is precisely that type of attitude/posturing that explains why it is exceedingly difficult to take people like you seriously anymore.

Your brand of politics has been soundly rejected by a majority of the electorate, so what do you do? Well, you do what any democracy and freedom loving right-winger does...You throw a fit vis-a-vis talking about overthrowing the government. Beautiful!

Yes folks, this is where the right-wing in America is at these days. When they lose influence, and people stop listening to's time for them to overthrow the government!

Of course, this is all quite ironic of them. I mean, this is the sort of attitude that dictators and despots have. And yet, America's right-wing (which has always had an authoritarian/totalitarian flavor underlying it) is now hinting that if their representatives can't win free, democratic elections on the merits of their own ideas, well...then it's time to overthrow the government!

I love it when every once in awhile, these right-wingers show their true colors. They've been out of power now for only six months, and rather than enage in serious discussion about how they can regain the trust and goodwill of the American people, some of them are instead hinting about government overthrow. about the complete intellectual and emotional collapse of an entire political movement!

Anonymous said...

Oh, and one more thing I forgot...

Daniel, your blog header on the homepage says, "Reading this blog puts you on the DHS extremist watch list".

Here too, we have more irony from you. Because while merely reading a blog will likely never put anyone on a government watch list, making coy suggestions that it's time to overthrow the government just might get you on that list!

To be sure, that you would even hint at such a thing only six months after completely losing power in D.C., suggests either a tremendous amount of sour grapes on your part, or that you really ARE somewhat of an "extremist".

Neither scenario is particularly enviable.

Anonymous said...

I will be forwarding this blog to DHS so they can make double sure they have you on the watchlist

Anonymous said...

Another situation which isn't particularly enviable is to have such an abysmal sense of self-worth that the only way you can get your ego stroked is to poke a stick at the local liberals in hopes of eliciting insults and criticism from them just so you can feel like you matter, that you're important ... when, in fact, you don't and aren't.

Anthony DeLucca said...

Hey, Reality Check:

This exact same phrase is on display in D.C.....on display BY OUR GOVERNMENT. Guess you'd better rat them out to DHS as well you little worm.

It's little weasles like you who allow dictators to rise to power. "I'ts illegal to overthrow the government". It was illegal in 1776 to overthrow the government as well, good thing we did though.

People like you are nothing but weak followers. Wait until you tax rate is at 50% or higher just to pay for social programs. Wait until freedom of speech is supressed (The Fairness Doctrine) in the intrest of "Fairness". wait until your constitutional right are trampled in the interest of "Public Safety" (gun control legislation).

Wait until YOU are forced into working 40+hours a week, only to have the Gov't take over half your pay, all to support legislation and laws that were passed by a Congress who didn't even bother to read the bills they were voting on.

Screw you, you little punk. You're gutless kind has no place in a free society. You'd let the Gov't step all over you without uttering one ounce of opposition. All the while in the back of your mind, you'd be screaming for someone with more guts than you to step up to the plate and say something.

You're the same kid who lets the playground bully push you around, instead of fighting back.

If you voted for Dems this last election cycle, you deserve everything they throw at you.

I am a man. A free man. And I intend to fight for the freedoms which are guaranteed to me and my family in the Constiitution.

I shall not yield.

Reality Check said...

Well if it isn't Mr.Anthony "FBI/INS Statistical Report" DeLucca, coming in from the cold for a hearty belch of anger and indignation. You remember that little fiasco, don't you Mr. DeLucca? I know I do.

I notice you don't necessarily disagree with the premise of my post, which is that Daniel is sending up a flare indicating he's game for a revolutionary fight here on the home front, complete with bombs bursting in air. In fact, it sounds like you're going to join him. But I really have to ask ... why?

Since you reactionary lunatics were so eager to point out that our "freedoms" were safe under the reign of Bush (an administration that extended its middle finger to the rule of law like an "illegal alien" could only dream of) I'd like to know what "freedoms" you've lost under Obama. I'd also like to know what your paycheck is looking like these days, in the federal withholding column. I don't know about you, but I got a tax cut (like most Americans) and I'd be willing to bet that Daniel got it, too. Tell me, were you among the ninnies out protesting on the Fourth of July? And before you launch into a fuzzy math tirade about how you'll actually end up being taxed more, tell me this: Is the tax cut you got under Obama larger or smaller than the one you got under Bush? I'd also like to know if you protested the illegal Bush invasion of Iraq (or anything else Bush did, for that matter, other than his refusal to shoot Latinos dead in their tracks at the border.) Did you "utter an ounce of opposition" about it, or did you sit on your fat ass in front of FOX News and cheer them on while the bloodied bodies of American kids piled up, courtesy of YOUR tax dollars?

Obama is about as likely to take your guns away as he is to launch a $250 billion a year Department for the Study of Cow Farts, but I know that's a dystopian NRA fantasy that you guys love to entertain, so I won't try to take that away from you.

God, there's so much in your ridiculous post, I don't know if I have time or if Daniel's blog will allow the room. But tell me: Did I somehow miss a Golden Era where every congressman faithfully read and absorbed every last page of every 500+ page bill before they voted?

No, I didn't vote for "the Dems" last time around, including Obama, whose politics are about as far away from mine as you are from the realm of common sense. I actually haven't voted for them the last several times around if you must know, but there's a more important difference between you and me, and it's this: Because I pissed you off, I have "no place in a free society. I, on the other hand, have at least as much contempt for your politics as you have for whatever is you think I believe, but unlike you, I think there is a place for you in a free society ... because it's a free fucking society, asshole.

Regarding your unambiguous declaration of gender, thanks. Appreciate it. I was operating under the assumption that "Anthony" was a girl's name. Now why don't you use a little of that freedom and free time of yours to go find the elusive "FBI/INS Statistical Report" that you made up a year or two ago.

Anonymous said...

Let he who is without sin (not you felon) cast the first stone.

Anonymous said...

ealtity check
I work for one of those guys that are being taxed an outragious amount. and because his bottom line is affected they were a few more men on the unemployment line. yep they got a huge tax break didn't they !!!!!!
and my own pay check , well lets just say that I never saw a break .

Anonymous said...

So long as you are in the applicable tax bracket (and it sounds like you are) and you're still getting a paycheck, then I advise you look closer.

Anthony DeLucca said...

Reality Check,

You really are a knucklehead. How many "Kids" are in the armed forces?? None, that's how many. You have to be 18 to join, same as to vote. 18 is an adult in every State in the Union as far as I know.

Now, as for the "Illegal" Iraq war you wrote of: Since Kerry, Kennedy, Hillary, and countless other Dems of note were touring the country actually calling FOR the invasion when it was politically popular to do so, I can't imagine that they would support an ILLEGAL war, would you? If so, why aren't you libs calling for war crimes trials on them too? They voted for the invasion after all.

As for the freedoms that have been (or are attempting to be)taken away so far? Shall we start with my freedom to decide which healthcare plan I participate in? (The Dem. plan would actually FINE taxpayers $1000 for not participating in the Gov't sponsored plan.

As noted in my post, the "Fairness Doctrine" is being returned via the Democrats. (or attempting to be returned) They even want to include PAY media such as cable and sattelite television and radio.

Let's take your gun argument as an example: While Obama may not have the ability to take my guns away, he has proposed a tax on ammo, and even has floated the idea of individually serially numbered ammo, and a "national Ammunition Registry". These proposals would make the purchase of ammunition extremely cost prohibitive. Guns don't work very well without bullets.

The DHS Customs officials are even proposing a ban on the importation of knives that have the ability to be opened one handed. Thats just about every folding knife out there.

You make a lot of assumptions. I opposed a ton of the Bush era Patriot Act clauses, as well as the Bush Bailout fiasco that gave away free taxpayer money to banks that had a history of..well...mishandling money.

You also make a veiled insinuation that I'm a racist that would like to see Latinos shot dead in the streets. (your words..not mine).

Robert Byrd was a klansman.....and a Democrat. Martin Luther King was a Republican. Democrats filibustered the Civil Rights Act, in an attempt to delay the vote. The history od racism n this country belongs primarily in the hands of Democrats.

I can only conclude that you are like a majority of the other liberals I have encountered in my 43 years on this earth, and let me tell you my friend, I have LIVED. I have seen things that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I have done things that will haunt me forever. I have been an artist, a soldier, and a cop. I have lived on 6 continents and have visited dozens of countries. I have been extremely poor, and very wealthy. I have walked the walk.

You are an elitist in the belief that because you are a lib, you are somehow intellectually superior to non-libs.

But the bottom line here is this: KING LIB, obama had managed to quadruple the national debt in his first one hundred day. Hooray. Now he wants more money, and more, and more, and more. He's even borrowing money so that he can give it away as foreign aid. Guess who gets to pay that money back? You and I, and our children, and our grandchildren.

This will be the downfall of the "Progressive". America is traditionally a "right wing" country. Once in a while, they try out the left to see what happens, and then regret it later on. After Carter beat the country up, Reagan (a true conservative if ever there was one) was elected in a Landslide.

I could go on and on as to why the left wing (national Socialism is a Left Wing Ideology too by the way) is dangerous to the Constitution, and maybe I will someday when I have more time.

Until then.

Reality Check said...

You've "lived"? Congratulations. Try "thinking." You can even do it without continent-hopping.

Anonymous said...

reality check
Yes I still have a job and I pay all my taxes ! but I have three friends from the company that I work for that are now UNemployed ! so much for there tax break . They don't have to pay any taxes at the moment , because of NOBAMA and his tax breaks . y yah right , tax breaks LOL

Anonymous said...

Mr. DeLucca, you are a pathological liar. And here’s the proof:

1. The minimum age to join the military, according to 10 U.S.C. 505, is 17. It is not 18. So right off the bat, you’ve established that you have no problem playing fast and loose with facts.

2. You will not be fined $1,000 if you decline to participate in the government health plan, as you expressly claimed. The $1,000 fine comes into play only if you decline coverage in ANY health plan, to include your employer’s private plan. So here too, you are lying. (I’m starting to see a pattern.) And you have still not established that any freedoms have actually been taken away from you.

3. The “Fairness Doctrine” is a controversy completely manufactured by the right-wing. It is not being brought back. In fact, Obama has expressly said he doesn’t support bringing it back. But the GOP talking heads know that their listeners (like you) are inclined to believe anything spoon fed to them. And so, they’ve told you that the Fairness Doctrine is coming back. And you’ve fallen for it. You’ve been duped, buddy.

4. Not surprisingly, you have distorted Obama’s stance on gun issues. You stated Obama “…even has floated the idea of individually serially numbered ammo.” That is flat-out, 100% false. Obama has never uttered even a single, solitary word about applying serial numbers to ammo. NOT A SINGLE WORD! Likewise, there has been NO mention of a “national ammunition registry”. You literally just made this up out of thin air! In fact, a Google search of “obama” and “national ammunition registry” pulls up exactly one page…THIS ONE! You are completely shameless, aren’t you???

5. You said that Obama has managed to “quadruple the national debt in his first one hundred day.” And once again, you are caught flat-out lying. The national debt was 10.6 trillion when Obama took office. It is now 11.5 trillion. Now Mr. DeLucca, if Obama had “quadrupled” the national debt as you claimed, that debt would be 42.4 trillion. Instead, it is 11.5 trillion. So what does this mean? It means you either failed 1st grade math, or you have once again completely pulled this “fact” out of your ass. Are you REALLY this frickin’ ignorant?!?

6. More a matter of opinion, but Reagan was a “true conservative” only in right-wing folklore. In real life, Reagan was the first modern-era President to massively grow the size of government. The national debt was below $1 trillion when Reagan took office. It was 2.7 trillion when he left. In other words, Reagan almost tripled the debt. (You see, unlike you, I have a command of simple math.) And I could go on about how Reagan Reagan – the man as opposed to the myth – was no conservative by any measure of what “conservatism” has historically meant.

7. You stated, “national Socialism is a Left Wing Ideology too by the way.” I’m assuming you are talking about the Nazi party, also known as the National Socialists. And once again, you're wrong. As an established fact of political science, on both the normal political spectrum chart and the Pournelle Chart, national socialism is a far-right ideology. This is not my opinion. It is an established fact of political science. I’m guessing that because the title has the word “socialism” in it, you deduced that it is a left-wing ideology. You’re kind of a simpleton like that. But any political science professor, including any conservative professor, will tell you that national socialism is inarguably a far-right ideology.

Sorry Anythony DeLucca, but you're clearly a pathological liar. You have written several things up above that, as I have pointed out, are simply not true. And as a result, I find you completely untrustworthy. You have just demonstrated to me that you are perfectly happy to lie through your teeth in order to make your points. I mean, you just make shit up out of thin air! This makes you a disgrace not only to yourself, but to the conservative causes you purport to champion. You are a complete joke and total ass-clown. Dismissed.

Anonymous said...

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark on poor Anthony DeLucca.

Reality Check said...

Thanks Anon 11:06, for calling DeLucca out. I would have done it last night, but I was engrossed in a pretty good book.

One point I'd add: He states, correctly, and with obvious triumph, that Reagan won in a landslide. My response would be ... so what? Hitler won in a landslide, too. More to the point, so did Obama. One can use a landslide as a starting point for any number of arguments. So what is DeLucca's?

But to revisit the question of how this started, which I raised in the first response to Daniel's post: DeLucca does not address it, not really. He admonishes me with a helpful reminder that a copy of the Declaration of Independence is on display in Washington D.C. (as if I didn't know this), says I'm similar to "weasles" who allow dictators to rise to power (as if any rational, serious person on the planet actually believes that Obama is going to somehow become a "dictator") and culminates with a Nietzschean crescendo with his declaration that those without "guts" have "no place in a free society," which I suspect in a Miglavian utopia would mean that you and I would be frog-marched to a detention camp, or worse.

DeLucca, if you have any interest in continuing this "conversation," get this through your thick skull right now: I am NOT a Democrat. I am NOT a "liberal." I do NOT listen to left-wing radio, and in fact couldn't even tell you who the left-wing radio show hosts in this country even are these days, much less what local stations carry them. I do NOT read the Daily Kos, although I looked at it a couple years ago after repeatedly facing silly accusations on this board that I was some sort of Daily Kos automaton. As I told you before, I have NOT voted Democrat for years and I did NOT vote for Obama, and in fact tried to discourage friends from voting for him for reasons that you cannot possibly know, but the prospect that he's likely to become some sort of dictator who merits talk of violent revolution like Daniel suggests, in what I'm sure he thought was a very sly rhetorical sleight-of-hand, is sure as hell not among them, you stupid fuck.

Anonymous said...

I get the sense that we won't see DeLucca back in this thread. If we ever see him again at all. He has pretty much blown his own credibility to smitherines, what with him completely fabricating out of thin air sundry "facts". If he ever had any credibility to begin with, that is.

Oh well. DeLucca represents the lowest common denominator of right-wing thought. He's the type of guy that intelligent conservatives wish would shut-up.

Unfortunately, the GOP (or what's left of the GOP carcus) is full of DeLuccas. Crass, ignorant, devoid of social intelligence...they are their own worst enemy, but too flippin' stupid to even realize it.

Thankfully, the proverbial "Deluccas" are an endangered species. They have failed to evolve, and just as in nature, they have thus doomed themselves to the will of those more intelligently designed. I think that Darwin guy I heard about was onto something! LOL!

Ok...I kid, I kid. But for real, the Deluccas of the world are certainly not helping the GOP recover. And while political trends ebb and flow, and power shifts every few years between more liberal and more conservative folk, I DO get the strange sense that the farther-right factions of conservative thought might indeed be sorta permanently dead this time.

Call it human evolution. Call it progess. Just don't call me. I'm going to dinner.

Reality Check said...

For those of us with a little sense of Miglavian history, I'm surprised he showed his face after the infamous "FBI/INS Statistical Report" debacle of '08 ... or maybe it was 2007.

In any event, for those who don't know: DeLucca was here citing the latest damning "evidence" about "illegal aliens," saying it was all there in the latest edition of the "FBI/INS Statistical Report." When asked to be more specific about the source, he referred everyone to some lunatic group, or maybe it was Lou Dobbs (also notorious for lying his fascist ass off).

Big surprise ... the only ones who seemed to have any information from this allegedly government-agency produced document were groups from the Miglavian wing of the GOP. A couple people scoured the web sites for BOTH agencies, and for some curious reason, neither had a copy of anything like what DeLucca was blathering about ... certainly nothing titled that. Later, it turned out that to the extent that anything remotely resembling what he was describing had ever even existed, it apparently had been discontinued by the INS years earlier. It really was one of the more embarrassing fumbles in the Miglavian Hall of Shame.

Seems like he disappeared for a while after that, but now Anthony "FBI/INS Statistical Report" DeLucca is back, tanned and rested, and ready to make a fool of himself again.

Mission accomplished!

Anonymous said...

I hadn't known about DeLucca's previous, uh, "difficulties" with telling the truth. But I'm not surprised. The guy obviously has character and integrity issues, what with the way he has shown himself to be perfectly willing to just make stuff up out of thin air, and present it as fact. (I still find it hysterical that he tried to associate Obama with some kind of "national ammunition registry". DeLucca literally just made that up on the spot, apparently unaware that the rest of us have access to the Internet as well, and can easily verify or debunk such claims. What a frickin' moron!)

Unfortunately, DeLucca's character and integrity issues are so typical and common among the far right-wing. These guys have NO moral compass, and will do or say anything to make their arguments. I remember right-winger Grover Norquist saying that "lying for the cause is sometimes a permissable mental reservation." And many right-wingers seem to have taken that to heart, because a lot of them seem to have no problem lying through their teeth. Isn't that right DeLucca?

But this is precisely why the public no longer takes them seriously. You can only act the fool for so long, before people wake-up and realize that you're acting the fool.

As for DeLucca, yeah, he'll be back eventually. And at that time, he will conveniently forget how much of an ass he made of himself. He'll also hope that everyone ELSE forgets. But not a chance.

Show your face around here again, DeLucca. I dare you, ya' big pussy!

Roadrunner said...

One more DeLeuca lie:

There is no evidence that Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. It's something that only lives in the fantasy world of some Republicans.

Anonymous said...

Oh, yeah, I forgot about the MLK claim. Because we know for certain that MLK's father was a Republican, the right has latched onto the idea the MLK Jr. was also a Republican. But it ain't so.

MLK Jr. voted for both Kennedy and Johnson...a highly bizarre act for a supposed Republican.

There is no evidence whatsoever that MLK Jr. was a Republican. None. Which is why ass-clowns like DeLucca often repeat the claim. Since it's not true on its face, they feel that they have to repeat it often. Because we all know that when you repeat a falsehood often enough, it becomes true!

DeLucca needs to stop believing everything he hears on talk radio. He also needs to man-up, and come back here and explain his lies.

Anonymous said...

Oh, DeLucca will show up again. That's the thing about Miglavians ... no shame whatsoever. They will say absolutely anything, and when you catch them with shit smeared all over their face and hold a mirror up so they can see what reality looks like, they just grin madly, bear down, and drop another load.

Scottiebill said...

Dittos to Anthony. He said it better here than I ever could have.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: All these Anonymice that are complaining about Daniel posting even a portion of the Declaration if Independence will complain about Daniel posting anything at all, at all. They would even bitch if Daniel were to post today's weather report.

Anonymous said...

Yes, but are you a man? Have you lived?

Reality Check said...

The fact is, ScottieBill, is that I don't complain about "anything" (or everything) Daniel posts; I made a comment about this specific and deliberate use of a historical document, which cannot simply be seen as an innocent Fourth of July salute to America; it comes from a person who has a criminal history, loves firearms, and is known to loathe the government, and you know that -- a specific and very relevant context, I think. No one has really responded seriously to my comment, which was intended to point to the hypocrisy involved, given the context of his other known positions.

And for the record, I would have ignored a weather report.

Anonymous said...

Wow Scottiebill, you think Anthony said things well? Even though it has been documented that much of what he posted was categorically false?!?

Either you have REALLY low standards Scottiebill, or perhaps you also approve of "lying for the cause"?

And if you haven't noticed, Anthony himself isn't too proud of his post, as he noticeably won't come back and address the documented, numerous lies he was caught making in that post. Anthony DeLucca is a straight-up coward.

But this is precisely why your brand of politics is an endangered species, Scottiebill. When one of your fellow right-wingers gets caught lying through his teeth, instead of calling him out on it, you actually tell him what a great job he did! You right-wingers refuse to hold each other accountable, and as a result, the public knows better than to trust you anymore.

You guys are pathetic.

Laughs at Miglavians said...

I'm sure that all of DeLucca's claims, and many more, can be verified simply by examining the "FBI/INS Statistical Report." :-)