Come now, Daniel: even you must see that what's happening in Wisconsin is pure politics. The unions have already agreed to every penny of Walker's proposed financial cutbacks; stripping their collective bargaining rights would have zero impact on the state's budget. And even if it did, there is no reason whatsoever to exclude the police, firefighters and others who just happen to have supported the governor. The only effect of this legislation would be to weaken the institutions which provide Democrats their sole significant financial support. We have a word for it in this country: "union-busting."It's like if Obama wanted to put a huge tax on the NRA, but Planned Parenthood was exempt. Think about what you'd be saying then - about how many times the words "tyranny," "unamerican" and "unconstitutional" would appear on this blog in red letters. This is a partisan issue - and therefore a non-partisan one for every clear-minded observer of politics. I do not believe that you support it.
I believe that Kaelri is correct, at least in part. Those protesters who are opposing the governor's budget are labeling it as union busting. But it is a whole lot more than that. It is those people in the public-sector unions wanting to have their cake and eat it too, to use a very trite phrase. They want the private sector to pay for their benefits, pensions, health care, etc. without contributing one damn dime themselves. And the private sector also pays their much-better-than-average salaries, too, through their taxes.But the realgalling thing is the Democrat senators of Wisconsin have taken their ball and left the state because they weren't going to get their way on the budget vote. They are worse that petulant 9-year-olds who don't get everything they want.. If the voters of Wisconsin have any sense at all, they will see to it that these 14 senators are in their last term in office, since they aren't doing the job their constituents sent them to Madison to do.Scottiebill
Kaelri, we could use some union busting in this state. It looks like the time for the public unions is over. I say good riddance.
This post reminds me of something I read today:A unionized public employee, a member of the Tea Party, and a CEO are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table there is a plate with a dozen cookies on it. The CEO reaches across and takes 11 cookies, looks at the Tea Partier and says, "Look out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie!"A joke, yes, but a profoundly accurate one.
And what are we to make of racist signs and slogans "floating around" at Tea Party rallies, Miglavs?
"A unionized public employee, a member of the Tea Party, and a CEO are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table there is a plate with a dozen cookies on it. The CEO reaches across and takes 11 cookies, looks at the tea partier, and says,"look out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie."
Wisconsin public employee unions agreeing to take short-term reductions in pay and benefits not unlike Dems agreement to cuts at the Fed level. After a couple years with double-digit percentage increases in Fed spending, they scream and call a proposed 1.7% cut Draconian. But they'll now, perhaps, maybe, accept a reduction of .1% to avoid a government shutdown. And when the day comes when they're back in power, they can return to double-digit percent spending increases again.Anyone honestly looking and Wisconsin and the public employee union problem in general, knows that unions force spending to its maximum in good times, and fight tooth and nail any reductions in bad times. They force union dues collections and use the money to buy politicians they will be negotiating with in the future, who typically have little problem with spending other people's money to keep the 'generous' union donors happy.Unions want to focus the Wisconsin budget problem as a short-term problem that can be fixed with a few pay cuts, layoffs, and agreement to pay more for their benefits, while still far less than what private sector workers pay. The fact is that public employee unions rabid thirst for power, along with the greed of their members, have brought most states to their fiscal knees, and the only fix is to take away their ability to blackmail politicians they get elected or walk away from the public services those same politicians have promised to their base.
ANON 4:31 PMAs much as you liberals cry racism, where is the evidence?
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