Saturday, November 12, 2011

Cry me a river

From Causa:

Among the issues they have been touched by in their personal lives includes the difficulty for people to obtain citizenship through the current broken immigration system, having their families torn apart by programs like Secure Communities, the need for passage of the DREAM Act so children of immigrants can realize their full potential and the need for restoration of driver's licenses so that familes can take their children to the doctor and drive to work so they can support their familes.

Let's parse that paragraph. 

1. It's difficult (read: impossible) for illegal aliens to get amnesty for their illegal behavior.

2. Families get "torn apart" when people are arrested for breaking the law. This isn't exclusive to the illegal alien community. If you want to stay with your wife and kids then don't break the law.

3. "Children of immigrants" can already get in-state tuition if they are Oregonians. Even the children of illegal aliens can get this. You just can't get in-state tuition if you are yourself an illegal alien.

4. Illegal aliens want drivers licenses. Not so they can drive to the liquor store but so they can "drive their children to the doctor." With what health insurance? Does the job that American's won't do provide health insurance? Either it does, which sounds like a job that most people would take, or they are expecting us to pay for their health care.

Also they want to drive to their work that they aren't legally able to have so they can support their families. I wonder if they used YOUR social security number to get that job... 

294 comments:

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Harry "Harrying" Ferrari said...

I find it hypocritical of the United States immigration policies because of the following;

1) The United States is a nation of migrants and deprived the native Indians of any statehood or identity.

2) Politicians are self centered opportunist if saying by saying they aim to reduce immigration they'll be rewarded with extra votes to appease the bigot or the ignorant then so be it.

3) Economist know you a nation needs cheap reliable labour source (look at China) so the USA is exploiting the migrants to do the work settlers deem beneath them.

4) An amnesty is needed for all migrants but no party has the political will to address this issue especially when they're electioneering.

Politics and economics its a dirty game and were are merely pawns.

ZZMike said...

1): All of whom became citizens and became Americans - assimilated. Just where do you think the Indians migrated from? And what did they make of the land during the few thousand years they occupied it?

2): makes no sense.

3): I can't get past the bad grammar. Even giving the grammar a leeway, it makes no sense.

4): Absolutely wrong. An amnesty is NOT needed. For one thing, it would be a slap in the face (to put it mildly) to all those who have gone through the hoops to become citizens legally.

Anonymous said...

As usual that FACT that over 20 million Americans have been out of a full time job for many many years, doesn't seem to matter to the let em all in crowd.

We do NOT need another Amnesty because states such as AZ, GA, SC & AL, are proving that just enforcing the laws on the books, will cause illegals too flee, on thier own at their own expense.

Anonymous said...

The native Americans are provided with free health care, do not have to pay taxes, are given stipends every month from the taxes you pay, get welfare, pay no property taxes even though as a tribe they own huge tracts of land, are exempt from many of the same laws you must obey.

The U.S. once needed immigrants today the situation is the exact opposite. We are the third largest population in the world and we don't need immigrants especially poor immigrants that overwhelm our welfare system.

We have a large pool of potential cheap labor all we have to do is stop paying them welfare and they will magically become workers.

Amnesty would be a disaster (it was back in 1986), it would encourage even more illegal immigration. What is needed is a hardline approach with zero tolerance. No more catch and release. Everyone using false ID should be given the choice to self deport or go to jail.

Citizens are the pawns. Citizens are the ones paying for illegal and legal immigrants. Lets put our citizens first not illegal immigrants.

Scottiebill said...

Anonymous 749 is right about the Native Americans. However, he did leave out one thing: A good many of those Native Americans, while they have certain rights and privileges we non Native Americans have, choose to live in houses they do not keep up. Sometimes they even trash the very places in which they live. and those places belong to the reservation on which they are living. I grew up in northern Montana just a mile or so east of the Blackfeet Reservation and have seen this condition many times in Browning, the town which is home to the Reservation's Agency offices, as well as in the other towns and villages on the Blackfeet Reservation. and I have seen the same conditions on the Crow Reservation and the Northern Cheyenne Reservation in southern Montana, and the Sioux Reservation in the northeast part of Montana, as well as on the Arapahoe reservation in central Wyoming.

What is not generally known is that a great deal of the squalor that the various Native Americans live in is sometimes caused by high unemployment on the Reservations and fueled by booze and very possibly drugs. A lot of the unemployment is caused by the government subsidies that they get monthly. As long as they are getting "free" money, why work. Most of the full-blood Native Americans do their best to stay away from the corruption on their reservations. But, a great many of the mixed bloods do not.

If you want to see real squalor on the reservation, go through Busby, Montana. It is a very small village on the western side of the Northern Cheyenne reservation. Or go to Lamedeer, Montana, some 25 or 30 miles farther east on US Hwy. 12.

I played high school football in the 50s against a full blood Native American from Browning who is today the Religious leader of the Blackfeet tribe. His name is Earl Old Person. Earl spends a lot of time in Washington DC, as a lobbyist for the cause of the Native Americans, not just the Blackfeet.

There are a lot of strange, to us, laws that the Indians have and enforce. One is that, if a Native American family adopts a Native American child from another tribe, the adopting family cannot move to another state and take that child with them. I have a good friend, who is a full-blood Iroquois and is married to a full-blood Cree from Rocky Boy, Montana, just south of Havre. They adopted a child off the Crow reservation about 30 years ago. He had a chance to go to Alaska to work on the North Slope in Prudhoe Bay. They could not go because the Crow tribal elders said they would come to take the kid back to Montana if they moved up there. This is just
one example.

Enough for now.

Anonymous said...

Daniel understands and many here do as well but the excuse makers for illegals (like causua & Harry) purposefully blur the line...their are LEGAL immigrants and Illegal Aliens. They are NOT the same.

Americans, with our current law(s) protect legal immigrants, the others -illegals, have broken several laws and deserve nothing, zero.

Harry - We have plenty of "Cheap" labor already, tens of millions, out of work, many with a minimal education, that would do these jobs (and did for decades upon decades previously) if they HAD to.

The Democrats prefer us to be dependent on thier handouts, otherwise they would pass a new law here (Dem's have had control of our Leg. & Gov. for over 3 decades now) forcing anyone on Unemployment/foodstamps/OHP/sec. 8 Housing, Used to be known as a TEMPORARY SAFETY NET...using social services for a period of time, who is physically able - has to WORK!

WORK! Don't like that tough farm job? Work & get educated. The 20yr. old single Mom w/a deadbeat Dad IS!

Alas, this will NEVER happen because the Democrats would lose their hold/control of the "poor" needy, voters.

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:27 - Thank you!

A few years ago, thanks to Pres. W. Bush, a Chicken processor in the S.E. was raided by I.C.E.

The local newspaper reported the following week (Yes the Media ran the raid story all over the U.S, but this story was only in the local small paper, hmmmm) that hundreds applied for the job after the raid, with ID in hand.
The report also told of the processor going to the local SHELTERS and offering a raise of $1.00 p/hr. to start and bonuses for staying on for 90 days AND used the previous MIGRANT Housing instead for these New American Workers.

Poof! Illegals left! Americans off of the welfare system! Taxes going in instead of out AND Americans SELF ESTEEM increased as we all feel better earning a living and providing for our families.

You Democrats tell all of us why this is a bad thing?

DAVE01 said...

Harry, yes we are a nation of immigrants. I'm sure you noticed the unemployment in the last few years. If we had stopped all immigration, millions of jobs would have been available for Americans and legal immigrants. Those are the folks who have done things the right and legal way. Don't you have any heart for unemployed Americans or any legal immigrants who spend tens of thousands of dollars to get here and stay here?

Your point number two says pols get rewarded with extra votes to appease the bigot or the ignorant. I know I'm bigoted against law breakers. Why aren't you? I really hate pedophiles. A lot of the new immigrants (legal and illegal) seem to come from countries that allow what we would call a rape. Mexican culture allows them to rape our young girls.

Your point number three. We freed the slaves and built the wealthiest country on the planet. I bet the former slave owners whined like you, we need cheap labor to pick the cotton. Your racism and bigotry are showing. People like you just want a slave class. You're pretty fucking sick. We have a cheap labor source. Look at the next American teenager walking down the road and you can see your cheap labor source.

I take particular offense to your number four. Since an amnesty is needed for all migrants, you forgot the illegal part. I'm helping you to remember here. Will I or any other Americans get the same consideration of having an amnesty for crimes we choose to commit or do we have to follow the laws and get punished if we don't and they don't have to? That sounds pretty fucking unfair to me.

Anonymous said...

I will not rest until illegal aliens get treated like the criminals that they are....

Cry me another river.

Anonymous said...

7:54 AM why do you condone the lawbreaking?

Anonymous said...

I will not rest until all the racists and bigots in the Republicon Party are thrown out of office.

Anonymous said...

No worries anon. Racist/Bigotted Republicans are being thrown from office regularly. Tom Tancredo and Russel Pearce, two of beloved by the anti-immigrant crowd have lost their seats over their racism. It will continue until they are all racists are removed from their seats. The GOP is learning fast with many in their own party opposing the messages of hate. Already anti-immigrant groups like ofir, alipac, and numbers are finding the welcome mat being pulled up by legislators not wanting to be seen aligned with them.

DAVE01 said...

6:04, does that include the democrat racists too or are you bigoted only against republicans?

6:43 PM I ask you the same question, are you okay with the racists and bigots of the democratic party?

If you are against all racists and bigots you need to start with the head racists, obama and holder. You could then go on down the line, maxine waters, charles rangel and so on. Hell, holder has been involved in the murder of thousands of mexicans and several Americans. He's been involved in more deaths of hispanics than the KKK has ever done. Maybe you should call your congressman and let them know you want the murdering racist holder fired and extradited to mexico to stand justice there.

Are you going to back up your words and get obama and holder fired or are you going to condone their racism and mass murders of mexicans and Americans?

Anonymous said...

Dave, can I assume that you are basically oblivious to the rich irony to be found in the fact that the only racists you seem capable of identifying are either black or Latino? I mean, think about that for a minute.

Anonymous said...

Like they say, not all republicons are racists, but all racists are republicon.

DAVE01 said...

ANON 4:06 PM

I find it very rich in irony that you can only find white republicans that are racist. I'm trying to get you to see the truth. I know it's an almost impossible task, but I think with the right teacher you might see the truth.

I don't have to think about it. I spent four years in the army experiencing racism from blacks every fucking day. So yes, I've seen and experienced racism. I'm trying to teach you that all races, cultures and peoples can be racist, not just white republicans. It's tough for people with low IQ's to understand but I will keep trying. What you need to do is quit whining what people are calling each other. Who gives a fuck. When I was in the army, I showed the idiot black squad leader and platoon sergeant that I was a better worker, better at my job and smarter than them.

Do you see how stupid you liberals are? The idiot anon 6:02 PM
cannot even use the spell checker. It's even provided. This is another prime example of the lowering of the education system from liberalism and multi-culturism.

I was hoping you would condemn all racism. That might be too much to ask for now. We'll keep working on it.

Now again, are you condoning racism from non-whites?

You fucking liberals never seem to answer a question with a straight answer.

Anonymous said...

It's tough for people with low IQ's to understand but I will keep trying...

And then there's the irony of you, of all people, writing those words.

Anonymous said...

What did the anonymous spell wrong? Republicon looks about right to me.

One more thing, I would say that both of your comments are a bit redundant. 'White Republican' and 'Racist Republican' are pretty redundant and go without saying. Just say Republican.

DAVE01 said...

ANON 12:21 AM
Thanks for the laugh first thing in the morning. 'White Republican' equals 'Racist Republican'. That's funny. So Herman Cain is white now! You are so fucking stupid. You should be the poster child for liberals and democRATS or traitors to America.

Again, do you condone racism from non-whites races?

I'll have to take that as a yes since you racist anons won't answer it and you support racism from obama and holder. Those are the two individuals who have policies that have aided the murders of two American LEO's and several Americans and possibly thousands of mexicans. If obama wins a second term, maybe one of your family members can experience what Terry's and Jaime's family experienced. More mexicans and Americans will have to die so obama and holder can shove their anti-American agenda on us. That kinda makes you traitors too don't it? DemocRATS killing as many Americans and mexicans as possible.

That should be the democRAT motto. We don't just kill Americas cause we ain't racist, we kill mexicans too. Vote for us and we might kill you too! Or how about, Vote for us and we will make sure your kid is dumber than you and as a bonus we will sell assault guns to terrorists and your kid may end up dead! I think we could work on those couldn't we? Those are just a couple of ideas. Vote democRAT and we will bankrupt the country and kill you at the same time. Vote democRAT and we will bankrupt you, our country and kill you at the same time.

DAVE01 said...

You equate republicans to racists, I equate democRATS to traitors and mass murderers and that can be proved!

Another Anon said...

Detective Dave is hot on the trail, and he has proof! Proof, I say!

Anonymous said...

nambla dave has his panties in a bunch because repulicons are racists. booohoooo

Anonymous said...

I thought Herman Cain was 100% pizza: 1% tomato sauce, 1% dough and 98% cheese.

FP said...

"Like they say, not all republicons [sic] are racists, but all racists are republicon [sic] ."

Like they say, all it takes to smash a syllogism is one counter-example. Here goes:

Robert Byrd.

DAVE01 said...

Here's another motto for the RATS, my name is Bill Clinton and I'm taking donations from the commies and selling them missile technology that can be used to incinerate two hundred million Americans. Give me money and I'll make sure there's a good possibility that your children get murdered.

How about I'm Ted Kennedy and I worked with the KBG which is the secret service of the enemy against Ronald Reagen. I'm a RAT so I'm expected to be a traitor to America and so is my party.

FP, I wasn't going to bring that one up yet. LOL.

Actually, I hate some of the republicans too.

Excuse me 9:06, it's your side of the aisle that wants the criminal aliens here who rape young children. Yours is the party of NAMBLA and treason.

5:14, as I mentioned above, clinton took donations from the communists who are our enemies. At least they were. There are a lot of them in government now.

Anonymous said...

Questioning Dave's claims, check armchairsubversive.blogspot.com

DAVE01 said...

Wow, I found a much bigger list of democRAT criminals.

Here's the link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2029856/posts

Here's the money line: Guilt by association department: Nancy Pelosi, D-California, Speaker of the House, and the ACLU Foundation has contributed to her campaign. That’s the same ACLU that defends the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)

The former speaker of the house took money from the folks who want to rape and possibly murder our young boys. The RATS are truly sickening. So are you.

The difference between Rats and Repubs is when the repub commits a crime, they are thrown to the wolves by their party, when the RATS commit a crime, the other RATS rally around and promote them and condone that behavior. A prime example is when Charles Rangel was caught cheating on his taxes, he was given the Chairmanship of the House Ways and Means Committee. Them's the folks who write the tax laws and the head of it is committing felonies and what happened to him, nada. My mistake, he was given the chairmanship as a reward.

Anonymous said...

The Democrats founded the KKK. 100% of Southern governors and congressmen were democrat when the South as a racist hellhole. Since the Republicans pushed the Democrats out of the South it is a more accepting and diverse part of the country where everyone is welcome. The racist Democrats have always been with us. You democrats are in denial.

Anonymous said...

Republicans are now the party of the KKK. Most agree in the nation regardless of what you try to spin. Republicans are for the most part racist against latinos and blacks and bigotted against muslims and gays and lesbians.

DAVE01 said...

ANON 2:11 PM
Don't forget they eat babies too. LOL. You forgot your meds. LOL. Hey Einstein, when did latinos become a race? Fucking idiot.

Anonymous said...

Yeah anon, republicans are bigots by and large. Though there are some good ones. Few and far between. One reason I am registered as an independent. There are bylaws at my son's workplace that strickly says that any anti-immigrant, anti-gay speech or racism will get you canned. One guy already tested it with a anti-immigrant sign on his car and was fired. He was, of course, a registered Republican.

Anonymous said...

Seeing Dave call someone a "fucking idiot" is ... well, it's ... God. What do you say?

Anonymous said...

Dave is just mad cause the gop is the party of pedophilia as has been clearly shown: armchairsubversive.blogspot.com

DAVE01 said...

ANON 8:28 PM
Don't believe your own lying eyes. DemocRATS, they party of statists who like to stick people into ovens, the party who molests our young children, the party who takes money from the homosexual pedophiles. Then they sell machine guns and hand grenades to terrorists to kill you and your family and bankrupt the country for good measure. Talk about your domestic enemy.

ANON 3:27 PM
Which company is that? I would like to know since it seems they are violating people's civil right. Do you want to let people get away with those crimes? That's right, you dems (or liberals) only agree with free speech when it's in line with your views. Kinda like free speech from the NAZI's. I'm sure they allowed 'free speech' as long as it was in line with the party line. LOL! Typical nazi's, commies and all other statists. And they call the republican party the party of racism. LOL, they didn't stick anyone into ovens like the other statists.

You folks are truly the reincarnation of the nazi's and the commies of the soviet union and china. Evil never goes away, it just changes name to the democRATS or something civil sounding like that

Anonymous said...

LOL!!! I just realized something. I think Dave has like maybe half a dozen batshit insane, kool-aid laced comments on his computer, and he just randomly copies and pastes them into Miglavia.

DAVE01 said...

Let's analyze the first paragraph. Current day democrats are statists. NAZI's and commies are also statists. NAZI's stuck people into ovens, the commies outright murdered about about one hundred million people last century. Those are all true so far. Nancy Pelosi took money from the ACLU who represent the homosexual pedophiles. Obama and his fellow liberal anti-gun pals have sold assault weapons to mexican terrorists and let the guy who makes hand grenades walk. He's bankrupting the country. Prove any of the above aren't true!

You seem to be the batshit insane, kool-aid laced crazy obama lover with a tingle up your ass.

Anonymous said...

Nazi Dave, the Nambla Gop genius strikes again. I bet this nutty bird doesn't leave mamas basement much. He is probably an embarrassment to his whole family. He sure is to miglavia.

Anonymous said...

Dave pulls off the amazing feat of making Daniel Miglavs look somewhat rational, even dignified.

Now he's using the word "statist." He must have stumbled across a 25-year old high school history book at a garage sale and now thinks he's got some serious shit going on.

Just some independent said...

If the racist repubicons knew what was good for them, they would trade Dave the Loser in for a pet monkey. Nobody takes the guy serious and he is just an embarrassment to rational thinking conservatives everywhere.

DAVE01 said...

ANON 3:55 PM
Do you call Obama and Holder rational for arming mexican terrorists with US military grade hardware paid for with US tax payers money? Do you call Obama's crony capitalism which has given billions of our US tax dollars to his billionaire friends rational?

Did you vote for obama, wyden, schrader or merkely, how about Wu, the guy who didn't commit rape rape, he also took medication from a friend and I think that's a crime in itself? You call me rational, LOL!

DAVE01 said...

I meant 'you call me irrational'.

Anonymous said...

Hint for Dave: Continuing to blather is not helping your case. Just saying.

FP said...

Seeing Anonymous talk about Dave's "blathering" is ... well, it's ... Allah. What do you say?

DAVE01 said...

ANON 6:41 PM
What's the answer to my above questions? It's only three little questions that I would like to know. With the answers I can see if you are rational!

Anonymous said...

The U.S. arms terrorists and other unsavory types all over the world, all the time, we've been doing it for decades, under virtually every administration. It pisses me off. All of them. Which is one reason I long ago stopped voting for any of them. So since Republican presidents obviously get a pass from you on this sort of thing, what is it about the example you cite that gets your panties in a twist? The fact that Obama's a Democrat, or the fact that he's black?

Anonymous said...

Dave doesn't like anyone who isn't white, republican or racist.

Anonymous said...

Not true, Anon. Dave likes blacks if they're rightwing Republicans. So he likes Herman Cain ... which proves that he's not racist. See how that works? :-)

Anonymous said...

Another general amnesty will only encourage millions more illegal aliens to jump our border. Use existing laws to deport as many as possible and shut off the jobs and social benefits for illegals and they'll leave.

Bruce the Barber said...

Daniel...Are you still alive, or did you go out to Baskett Slough, and like Custer at the Little Big Horn, thousands of ducks surrounded you with shotguns and massacered you?. You didn't forget how to write did you? I look to you for entertaining and witty insights on the ongoing turbulence from the Oregon "PC" political scene.

Bruce the Barber said...

Happy Thanksgiving, and here's to a safe, sober, and wonderful Holiday Season to everyone out there on the blogosphere. Just as an aside,Daniel, I made my traditional roast duck stuffed with apples with a French orange sauce (from scratch)to drizzle over it......Delicious (trying not to brag too much).

Anonymous said...

I thought Herman Cain was 100% Pizza? 1% tomato sauce, 1% dough and 98% cheese. Although looking at the guy I am wondering if he isn't at least 80% dough. Pretty slobbish.

Anonymous said...

Maybe, in spite of his stated intentions, Daniel has decided to rest.

Anonymous said...

Herman Cain is a womanizing piece of garbage. He is a lower form of life than a cheese pizza.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Miglavs jumped from the Cain train and bumped his noggin.

Anonymous said...

ANON 12:11 PM
Did you vote for Bill Clinton? You know that womanizing rapist? He's one of the liberals role models.

12:11 said...

1) No, I didn't, and 2) Bill Clinton is not currently asking American voters to believe that he ought to be the next President of the United States; Herman Cain is.

FP said...

12:11 @ 3:14,

1) Yes, you did.
2) Not the point.

Anonymous said...

Anyone having trouble following the discussion? Oh, you down in front? Very well:

In Miglavia, the sentences ...

Herman Cain is a womanizing piece of garbage. He is a lower form of life than a cheese pizza.

... translate, roughly, to:

I voted for Bill Clinton.

Welcome to Miglavia.

Anonymous said...

Daniel, I think it's funny that you were on the "Cain Train". It shows just how much you non-thinking GOP'ers will buy into a "Cult of Personality" instead of looking for substance (which Cain never had to begin with).

So who's it now? Romney? LOL! Few Democrats will vote for him, and a surprisingly large number of right-wingers won't, either. He is unelectable.

Newt? LOL! As Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich used to be the third most powerful man in America. He was effectively booted out of politics as a disgraced man, and then he lined his pockets as a prototypical Washington lobbyist for years. He is FOR illegal immigration, he's a HUGE hypocrite on a number of subjects, and his massive ego makes many peoples' stomach churn, regardless of party affiliation. Newt is also unelectable in the general election.

The GOP is dying, and this crop of candidates they put forth is proof of it.

Obama already has this next election in the bag. Easily.

FP said...

In the People's Republic of Anonymous, where nuance and enlightenment so clearly rule the day, demonstrating a fallacy by deliberately making a fallacious statement translates to not being able to "follow the discussion".

In the People's Republic of Anonymous, Obama and his handlers didn't use mass media to create an idealized and heroic public image, and there was no unquestioning flattery and praise of him anywhere to be found. None of the people who supported him are disillusioned in the least. It's all roses and sunshine for Obama in the People's Republic.

Welcome to the People's Republic of Anonymous.

Anonymous said...

FP, you sort of miss the current point with Obama.

It's not that Obama is a great President. It's just that the Republicans who would replace him, are even MORE unpalatable. Sometimes the scoundrel you know, is better than the scoundrel you DON'T know. (Although, I don't think Obama is nearly as bad as the right-wing blather machine wants us to believe.)

In the last 10-20 years, the GOP has abandonded the pragmatic conservatism of Reagan, and instead embraced a bizarre form of right-wing populism where ideological purity is paramount. By moving in this direction, the GOP has marginalized itself to the point where it can't produce an electable national candidate. And the current crop of GOP candidates is bonafide prrof of this.

In today's GOP, there is no room for moderation. In fact, in today's GOP, Ronald Reagan would be unelectable. If he was running today on his reocrd, he would be summarily labled a "RINO" and tossed aside for a more ideologically pure alternative. I mean, in many ways, Reagan was less conservative than Mitt Romney. And look at how the right-wing is reacting to Mitt.

Unless and until the GOP discovers that it has travled down the wrong path, and returns more to its pragmatic conservative roots, the GOP will further marginalize itself and will lose important elections as a result.

You may not like this, but it is, what it is. Until the GOP distances itself from its growing fringe, its influence will continue to diminish. On the current path, and at best, the GOP will divide into a "Tea Party"-type faction and a more moderate faction, with neither one having enough votes or clout to achieve anything of merit.

Thus, the GOP's transformation over the last 10-20 years represents one of the biggest political blunders in America's history.

I can't say this upsets me to any great degree, except to the extent that the GOP's ineptness is harming any ability to solve America's issues. But here too, that will eventually be fixed in the voting booths.

- Doug

Anonymous said...

Congratulations FP: You managed to squeeze out nearly a hundred words that have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the issue of Herman Cain's womanizing. Or are you actually responding to something someone said to you three months ago in another thread?

Anonymous said...

Who will Miglavians blame the demise of Herman Cain on? Some likely candidates:

Barack Obama
Liberals
Bill Ayers
The media (except FOX, because they're "fair" and "balanced" ;-)
Occupy Wall Street
Racists (the real racists)
Climate scientists
Daily Kos
Nazis (Democrats)
Communists (Democrats)
Democrats (Nazis and Communists)
David Wu
Acorn
Michael Moore
Miglavian "Anons"

Who is actually responsible for the demise of Herman Cain:

Herman Cain

(Because in Miglavia, the failure to exercise "personal responsibility" is ascribed only to one's political opponents. Welcome to Miglavia, especially you, FP ;-)

FP said...

Doug,

I laughed. Took a breath. Then laughed some more. I especially liked this line:

"Thus, the GOP's transformation over the last 10-20 years represents one of the biggest political blunders in America's history."

1994 never happened. 2010 never happened. Obama's never been more popular.

Only in the People's Republic.

Anon 9:47,

It's good to know you hang onto my every word. So, I'll make this one easy: You say Cain's a womanizer. I say you're a Clinton voter. The common theme: LACK OF EVIDENCE.

Let me know if you're still unable to "follow the discussion".

Anonymous said...

Told ya that Herman Cain was a fat lying loser with no morals. The guy sucked at pizza and as a politician. He couldn't even lie good enough to get himself out of trouble.

Anonymous said...

Next up to be served for dinner is Newt. This is going to be a fun one.

DAVE01 said...

ANON 8:38 PM
Still bringing up your racism. I will make the assumption that you think it's rational to sell guns to terrorists who have murdered Americans citizens. With domestic enemies like you and the rat party and some of the repubs, we don't need foreign enemies. We have enough at home that we need to deal with.

It's too bad how far our country has fallen. There are groups like NAMBLA in the country who want to rape and molest young boys and the groups defending them in court are aligned with one of the main political parties in the country. That's why I don't believe in the big tent for everyone. I don't want everyone in my party. I definitely don't want the homosexual pedophiles in my party. I guess they have to go somewhere and the dems will take them.

Anon 8:38 said...

Dave, I just spent way too much time typing a long response to you in which I insulted you repeatedly, in every way I could think of. Now I've deleted it, and just want to say this. I'm just going to be totally honest.

I don't know how to respond to you. I thought I made it clear, without any ambiguity or qualification, that I'm pissed off about the U.S. government giving support of any kind to any terrorist, anywhere, for any reason. I don't know how I could possibly have been any clearer. That is my position.

And yet, you come back with this:

I will make the assumption that you think it's rational to sell guns to terrorists ...

It's like if I'd said, for example, "I am Chinese and have lived in China all my life," and you come back with something like, "I will make the assumption that you are from France."

Do you see, Dave? I don't know what to do with you. I don't know how to respond to something like that in a way that a rational conversation ensues.

I'm done with insults. I admit defeat. I'm waving the white flag. I just don't know what to say to people like you anymore.

Anon 8:38

Anonymous said...

So Dave, are you saying you are supporting Sandusky for the GOP presidential candidate?

Anonymous said...

Anyone notice how Dave is the only one wants to talk about NAMBLA? What's up with that?

Anonymous said...

FP, I’m not surprised you laughed. That’s sort of the problem I was getting at: while the GOP is marginalizing itself left and right, its leaders and adherents are doing the Alfred E. Newman “What, me worry?” bit.

Or perhaps you were laughing at how Newt “I Am The Epitome Of Everything Conservatives Profess They DON’T Want” Gingrich has become the GOP frontrunner? I mean, talk about Bizzaro World. This is the same Newt who left politics a disgraced man in the 1990’s. The same Newt who holds himself to one standard, and everyone else to a different standard (and yes, he has publicly admitted this). The same Newt who led an impeachment effort for Clinton’s “scandalous” behavior, while Newt himself was having (one of) his affairs with a staffer 20 years his junior. The same Newt who carried a five-figure balance on his Tiffany’s account. The same Newt who privately accepted millions in lobbying money from Fannie Mae, while publicly blasting Fannie Mae. The same Newt who defines what it means to be a sleazy “Washington Insider”. The same Newt who thinks that the problem with the war on drugs (one of the most prominent examples of a big government policy failure) is that we aren’t spending enough money on it. The same Newt who is too conservative for the general electorate…and not conservative enough for the Tea Party crowd. The same Newt whose “likeability” ratings (which make no mistake about it DO matter) are worse than almost any other GOP candidate, with even many conservatives publicly saying they can’t stand the guy (George Will and Charles Krauthammer have both published especially devastating editorials on him). The same Newt who once said, “If you quote me directly you’ll be lying.” The same Newt who in both Pew and CNN/ORC polls would lose to Obama by double digits if the election were held tomorrow.

I could go on but, do I really need to? In a nutshell, Newt has so much baggage, TSA is going to have to assign a dedicated team to help him during his campaign.

But don’t get me wrong. I sort of enjoy the thought, and early Christmas present, of a possible Newt Gingrich candidacy. If he does become the GOP candidate, he’s going to be ruthlessly picked apart and held to account for 30 years of, well...being Newt. The Democratic ads against Newt will virtually write themselves, and will only need to use Newt’s own words to destroy him. Most woman won’t vote for the guy. Minorities (the largest growing voting block) won’t vote for the guy. Moderates and Independents won’t vote for the guy. And there just aren’t enough old white men (Newt’s primary demographic) left in America today to push him through. To quote another GOP member, “Bigfoot dressed as a circus clown would have a better chance of beating President Obama than Newt Gingrich.” Ouch.

So in a sense I agree, FP. You certainly have something to laugh about.

A good read on why Gingrich is not electable:

http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/can-newt-gingrich-beat-barack-obama/a-newt-gingrich-nomination-would-be-a-gift-to-barack-obama

- Doug

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:25…I have noticed a similar trend on other primarily conservative forums. For some bizarre reason (and it IS bizarre), certain right-wing nutjobs seem to have an inexplicable fixation on NAMBLA. I’ve seen it referenced several times on various forums in weird, completely out-of-context settings, as if there was a “Right Wing Nutjob” convention earlier this year, and they all agreed to hit the Internet forums and make non sequitur references to…NAMBLA?

Man, there is a large faction of conservatives these days that have “issues”. People like “I Almost Have A College Degree Dave” are the very stereotype of the unhinged, mentally unstable, nutjob conservatives that have hijacked the GOP and ensured its growing irrelevancy.

- Doug

DAVE01 said...

ANON 5:43 PM
I'm not arguing upon the fact that we have armed half the planet. In most of those cases, we were supporting groups based upon ideology or because we didn't like the people they were fighting. We were in it for power reasons.


The arming of terrorists was on purpose to create deaths to prove that American guns were to blame for violence so obama could create additional regulations against gun owners. Hell, maybe even register all of them. Too many times in recent history registration has led to confiscation and then genocide. Obama and Holder hate Americans having guns and was working under the radar to curtail our 2nd amendment rights. It's tough to push around an armed populace. That's kinda why we have the 2nd amendment.

There's a huge difference why previous administrations have armed certain groups. It might be all the same to you but it's not to me. Arming a certain group to fight someone or something we don't like is one thing, but arming a group to provide dead people to justify additional regulations on Americans is something else to me. I guess we should not have armed Europe and Russia in WWII or was that okay?

DAVE01 said...

Well Dave, are you sure that's 'legit'. I'm still laughing over that one. Was the BS in BullShit? About NAMBLA, I hate pedophiles and the dems are the big tent party who lets anyone in the tent. By the way, did you ever get your money back from the college that gave you the BS? Either that or you lied about having a degree. What college was it from? I want to make sure nobody I know attends a college that hands out degrees to anyone who would have failed any other college on the planet.

DAVE01 said...

Well Dave, are you sure that's 'legit'. I'm still laughing over that one. Was the BS in BullShit? About NAMBLA, I hate pedophiles and the dems are the big tent party who lets anyone in the tent. By the way, did you ever get your money back from the college that gave you the BS? Either that or you lied about having a degree. What college was it from? I want to make sure nobody I know attends a college that hands out degrees to anyone who would have failed any other college on the planet.

Anonymous said...

Dave says:

"The arming of terrorists was on purpose to create deaths to prove that American guns were to blame for violence so obama could create additional regulations against gun owners."

Uhhhhhh....wow. Just, wow.

You aren't simply crazy in a metaphorical, name-calling sort of way. You are crazy in a literal, all-too-real way. And worse yet...you don't even realize it.

God, I'm glad I'm not you.

Anon 8:38 said...

I'm not arguing upon the fact that we have armed half the planet....

No, what you did is assign to me a position that I do not have and have never had. You are assigning a position to me that is completely at odds -- that is, in fact, the exact opposite -- of the position, stated clearly and unambiguously, that I actually do have.

That is why I say: I don't know how to talk to people like you anymore. I don't understand how we have a discussion.

Let me try another example: It would be like if you come here and go on a rant about how much you can't stand "illegal aliens," and I reply: "I will make the assumption that you are secretly harboring illegal aliens in your own house."

How do you respond to that? How do you respond to something that makes no sense whatsoever? That's the position you put me in when you say something to me like, "I will make the assumption that you think it's rational to sell guns to terrorists" after I've said very clearly that I oppose providing assistance to any terrorists.

Do you understand the problem, here? Do you see, Dave? I'm being serious. I just don't see how we have a conversation. That's one of the reasons people pile on you here. It's not simply that we disagree with your position, it's that you say things that just don't make sense. Let me be clear: I seriously do not mean this as an insult. You say things that are ridiculous.

But prove me wrong. I'm open to that. I would love for you to prove me wrong. Help us out, here. Given all this, how do we have a rational conversation?

Anonymous said...

Anon 12:07,

You can't have a rational conversation with someone who is completely, literally incapable of it.

It's not a matter of just disagreeing with Dave. It's a matter of Dave being one enchilada short of a combination platter, and thus completely and literally being incapable of carrying on a rational conversation.

It's like trying to have a conversation with a tree, and getting frustrated that the tree won't respond with anything intelligent. It won't, because it literally can't.

The sooner you realize this about Dave, and stop trying to get something out of him that he simply isn't capable of producing, the sooner you'll realize that trying to converse with him is a waste of time.

Everyone here knows what Dave is, including the conservatives posters (even if they're reluctant to admit it). Just understand and be glad that Dave posts what he does here because he knows that if he tried to perform this schtick in "real life", everyone would just laugh at his buffoonery.

DAVE01 said...

ANON 11:04 AM
If you have been following this gun stuff with the mexican terrorists, you would have agreed with that statement. You probably think that arming the terrorists with guns to see who the heads of the mexican terrorists are was _______ you fill in the blank.

There was never any intention to follow the guns. In fact, one of the whistle blowers was watching a house with guns on his own time because his supervisors wouldn't' grab the guns. They didn't put any type of tracking devices on the guns nor did they notify the mexican governmnet. There were also similar guns to gangs and terrorists from Texas and Florida. In addition, there was one US town where they armed the gangs.

Even a dumb liberal could figure out they had a nastier intention than finding the kingpins. All they had to do was ask some mexican gang members who their leaders are.

Why don't you listen to the whistleblowers and the others involved on the ground instead of obama, holder and other clowns. Use some logic. Ask some LEO's if that was a normal sting.

Follow the lies and even you may see the truth.

FP said...

Doug,

The moment you and your brethren in the People's Republic start vetting Obama vigorously is the moment I'll start taking you seriously.

Congrats on the white noise, though. That must have taken some effort.

DAVE01 said...

Daniel, we need a new article to argue about. I think we have worn this one out. Wake up and get to it.

Anonymous said...

Do you need Daniel to wipe your ass, too?

FP said...

Anon 9:32,

You have Dave confused with your brethren in the Occupy "movement".

Anonymous said...

FP: Fixated on Poop. Now I get it.

FP said...

Brilliant sense of humor, anon. So adult, so sophisticated.

And yet:

Sanitation workers wearing hazmat suits and masks moved into City Hall park Wednesday to clean up tons of trash, debris and human waste after police evicted the 2-month-old Occupy LA tent camp...

Apparently, calling attention to your heroes' lack of basic hygiene is now a "fixation".

Only in the People's Republic.

Anonymous said...

No need to prove yourself, FP. I told you: I get it. It's clear where your interests and passions lie. No need to beat us over the head with it.

Anonymous said...

"Vetting" Obama, FP? Do you really mean that the moment we accept that he wasn't born in America, or the moment we accept that he's actually a Muslim intent on destroying America, or some of the other "vetting" people of your ignorant ilk have tried to pull?

Yeah, OK.

I'll tell ya what. If you want to see some "vetting", just watch what happens to Newt Gingrich in the coming weeks.

Oh, and it's OK. You don't have to take me seriously because, frankly, whether you take me seriously or not doesn't change a thing I wrote. And that's the truly beautiful thing. Heck, I suspect even you know that if Newt is the best the GOP can do...they're screwed. It IS funny, no?

As for the "white noise", I'm not exactly sure what you mean. If you mean that talking about the GOP frontrunner at all is "white noise", then in a sense I would agree with you. I'm still somewhat wondering if Newt's candidacy isn't some early April Fool's joke.

Oh, and trust me...it takes no effort whatsoever to point out Newt's many flaws. That, too, is a beautiful thing. I've always thought the Democrats were somewhat incompetent, but man...the GOP is truly redefining incompetence these days.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for boldfacing "human waste", FP. Very helpful.

DAVE01 said...

ANON 4:13 PM
It doesn't matter if obama was born in the US. Why don't you investigate the facts and then back to us after you have educated yourself. Obama can never be natural born. His father was a British subject. His mother was 18 at the time he was born. There are several reasons why he can't be natural born. Again investigate it for yourself. The truth shall set you free! Unless you are a liberal.

He may be a muslim, but his ideology is more communist, anti-capitalism, anti-American and anti-western civilization.

Anonymous said...

Dave, by "educate yourself", do you really mean "believe Internet urban legends because you WANT them to be true"?

Obama's status as a natural born citizen has been settled, both in public discourse and in the courts. The only people who are still clinging to the birther idiocy are, well, idiots like yourself. You know...people who are literally not capable of engaging in rational, logical thought.

Although, I have to admit I'm somewhat glad that "birthers" like yourself still vocally claim the ridiculous things you claim. It serves as a useful reminder of just how nutty and delusional the far-right has become.

Should you wish to educate yourself on this matter, the following link extensively explains why the "birther" nonsense is exactly that: nonsense.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

- Doug

P.S. I don't expect you to change your opinion, because for cretins like yourself "facts" are merely tools to be employed when they support what you want to believe, and completely dismissed when they don't.

- Doug

Anonymous said...

Nice post, Doug. I'm glad there's someone else here who is as amused as I am (and appreciates the supreme irony involved) when Dave instructs you to "educate yourself." Have you educated yourself on the issue of climate change, by the way? Dave is very "educated" on that matter, too.

Anonymous said...

P.S. Another irony involved is that because of loudmouthed morons like Dave, the "question" of Obama's birth/qualifications for president (and I didn't even vote for him, and won't in 2012) is that the facts of his birth have been more exhaustively investigated and reported to a larger audience than any president in the entire history of the Republic. Photographs of his birth certificate (shot from multiple angles, with different lenses, with lighting adjusted accordingly so that detail is visible almost down to the individual strands of pulp from which the paper was manufactured) have been more widely viewed than the birth certificate of any president, in this country, or, I dare say, any country.

So it really speaks volumes about the spectacular and practically unbelievable level of stupidity involved when you have a guy like Dave instruct someone to "educate" themselves on the matter. It's amazing to me that people like Dave are even able to function in the world. I mean, when he's driving and approaches a stop sign, does he see the letters S-T-O-P? Does he know what they mean? Or does he see something entirely different? This is what I'm saying. That's the level of stupidity we're talking about.

DAVE01 said...

ANON 12:28 PM
I guess you are a document expert and have examined the original vault copy right? When and where did you examine them?

DAVE01 said...

them = it in the above

DAVE01 said...

ANONS AND DOUG
Here's something that might lead you to think that maybe snopes is not the all knowing.

From Snopes:
Some outdated versions of this item conclude by stating that "It should be demanded that Obama produce his 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate," but in fact his campaign made an image of his official state-issued birth document available on the Internet back in mid-2008.


Above, they say his 1961 BC, but in fact his campaign made an image of his office state-issued Birth Document, not Birth Certificate. They released a Certificate Of Live Birth (COLB). It's nice and smooth how they move from BC to COLB and nitwits like you are easily fooled. Can you tell me the difference in the two?

That's what you get from educating yourself instead of listening to Nancy Pelos, Harry Reid, NBC, CNN and the rest of the criminals.

Are you sure SNOPES is 'legit'. I know they are not. LOL!

DAVE01 said...

One last thing, you state:
"following link extensively explains why the "birther" nonsense is exactly that: nonsense.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp"

I read it, if that's what you call extensive and you are voting, our country is doomed. Those few paragraphs don't even delve into the problem. I did bring up an expert, where's your experts?

You are always good for a laugh.

Anonymous said...

Dave, why don't we start with something a little more basic and just see if there's any point within the vast body of shared human knowledge on which we're more or less in agreement:

When you see a red sign with the letters S-T-O-P, do you know what that word is? What does that word mean to you?

Anonymous said...

Dave, you set your sights too low. You need to be more ambitious in persuading people to "educate" themselves. Think bigger! ;-)

DAVE01 said...

I think you anons are the flat Earthers. You can't see what's right in front of your faces. I'm shocked I say. You liberals are supposed to accept everyone. Are you saying you are racist and bigoted against certain groups of people?

When and where did you examine obama's vault copy of his BC?

Anonymous said...

When did you?

DAVE said...

There you go and evade the question. LOL

Anonymous said...

You're the one making the fantastic claim that has been refuted by practically everyone (including John McCain). You're the one who seems to think that only one's personal, on-site inspection of the birth certificate justifies making a claim one way or the other about it.

So I guess my fatal flaw has been discovered. I confess: I have never personally inspected, in the flesh, the document in question. I have never actually held it in my own hands. In fact, I've never even been in Hawaii before.

Now, tell us about your visit to the vault, and please ... don't leave anything out.

Anonymous said...

Stupid Brainwashed Socialist Hussein Obama supporters...We have tens of millions of Illegal aliens here...who are so stupid/illiterate...THEIR Government-Mexico printed over 1 Million COMIC Books on how to sneak into America...With all of the long time now Document forgers here...How hard can it be for Obama's stooges to falseify a Birth Cert. ?!
After all 20 million illegals have forged doc's so could the one.

Anonymous said...

Do NOT donate to these sham Food Shelters.

My friend, who lost his job 3 months ago, went to Marion-Polk food share, reluctantly cause his food stamps are not enough for 3 teenage boys.

He got their early too not miss out.

There were already over 100 Hispanics there, all babbling in Spanish on their nice Smartphones, taking turns getting in their $50,000 SUV with the heater on. He said he has never seen so many people wearing brand new $150 designer jeans, spendy cowboy boots and very nice necklaces, rings and braclets.

Had to go to the door too make sure he wasn't in the wrong line, thought it was an early boxing match/casino in there.

They all glared at him and then spoke at each other about him and his kids.

By the time his turn was up, ALL of the food was gone!!!

Anonymous said...

In Miglavia, caucasians expressing themselves verbally are said to be talking, speaking or discussing.

Hispanics doing the same are "babbling."

No racism here, of course.

No bigotry at all. ;-)

Welcome to Miglavia.

Aaron said...

Hey Dave, when you did your vault visit, did you go about your mission scientifically and request like a sampling of other birth certificates issued for babies born the same day/week, so you could compare and see if the Obama one stood out as different from the rest? Oh I'm sure you did, you seem like a pretty sharp guy. LOL!!!

Anonymous said...

What happened to Daniel? Is he a guest of the county again or was it a gun cleaning accident?

Anonymous said...

Where did you go, Dave? We're all waiting to hear about your own, personal inspection of Obama's birth certificate. Or, have you realized (like the rest of us here have realized) that you've somewhat trapped yourself into a logical corner?

Aaron said...

I'm sure he's relying on someone else's "expertise" on document inspection. Of course, that begs another question: What are Dave's qualifications and training that enable him to decide whether one's expertise (about birth certificates, or about anything) is legitimate? Last I heard, his vocational training was limited to electrical engineering. So how about it, Dave? Did you have many classes on inspecting birth certificates before you got your degree?

Oh, wait a second ... you didn't get a degree, did you? Never mind.

Anonymous said...

Dave, let me get this straight: You think people aren't entitled to believe Obama was born where he says he was unless they've looked at his birth certificate for themselves, and yet you want us to believe that he wasn't born where he says he was because ... why? Because you read about it on the Internet?

DAVE01 said...

ANON 9:50 PM
At least my classes were 'legit'. LOL! You lied about your degree.

ANON 7:56 AM Anyone is entitled to believe anything they want to. Again, it does not matter where he was born. His father was a British subject and his mother was too young. He is not natural born. You research it Einstein and don't use that stupid snopes crap. You might as well as use obama for the source and he's the biggest liar I've ever seen.

More information for you. Did his mother renounce his US citizenship when he went to Indonesia and did he reclaim it when he returned? On which passport did he go to Pakistan when Americans were not allowed to go there? There are so many questions and since the smartest president has had his records sealed, so few answers. I wonder why the smartest president, had his records sealed?

I don't think he is the smartest president, I think he had his records sealed because he's nothing but an empty suit and you idiots who voted for him did not ask any questions about him and I also think Bush got better grades than Obama who probably is an affirmative action college attendee. LOL! Bush is smarter than Obama and can prove it. LOL!

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I know, I know. You read all about it on the Internet. And you're "entitled" to believe it. Keep laughing, Dave. It's fitting, somehow.

DAVE01 said...

Are you going to answer my questions or do the communist PC thing?

Anonymous said...

Your questions are ridiculous.

Anon 8:38 said...

And Dave, I am still waiting for an answer to my questions.

DAVE01 said...

You believed Obama's Certificate Of Live Birth (COLB) that was originally released by his campaign was his Birth Certificate.

I will state it again, the Adobe expert said it was a fake. He's the guy who would know about those things. Where's your experts, oh that's right, snopes. LOL! You prove again that you lied about having a college education. Hell, I doubt you even took any math or science in high school.

ANON 7:28 PM Way to go, the communist way. Your hate and intolerance are showing.

Anonymous said...

I just did a keyword search on this thread for "Adobe expert." You haven't mentioned one until now, but I'll humor you on this one.

Tell me:

1) His name.
2) His academic credentials (for the purpose of analyzing documents, he would need, at the minimum, a Masters or higher in history, or a law enforcement background).
3) His political background and affiliations.
4) How have mainstream Republicans responded to him, if they even thought the time was worth wasting?
5) What in your background qualifies you to decide whether his background is sufficient for determining the authenticity of documents? Or are you relying on him as an "expert" because some other idiot who agrees with called him one?

So let's just see how much "research" you really did.

And speaking of degrees, regarding your charge that I "lied" about mine, what the fuck are you even talking about? Who are you talking to/about? It sure as hell isn't me.

God, maybe I really am the idiot; I'm arguing with an insane person.

Anonymous said...

So Dave is not only a racist, a nambla lover, but he is a birther too?

Anon II said...

Probably wears tin foil on his head, too.

Anonymous said...

Dave, have you ever noticed how none of the other conservatives here jump in to defend you?

That is what's known as a "clue".

Anonymous said...

That's your Christmas present this year, Dave. We all chipped in to give you a clue.

FP said...

"God, maybe I really am the idiot...

No disagreements here.

Anonymous said...

An unoriginal barb directed at one of Dave's sparring buddies, but nothing to say in Dave's defense.

'Nuff said.

FP said...

In the People's Republic of Anonymous, agreement and silence are now insults, the originality of which is to be determined by a citizen who uses the words "idiot" "stupid" "moron" or any variant thereof in describing its opponents.

Welcome to the People's Republic of Anonymous, where the citizens are always finding new lows when plumbing the depths of their self-admitted idiocy.

Anonymous said...

And still no support for Dave's "birther" nonsense.

Anonymous said...

In the Kingdom of FP, Dave has never used the words "idiot" "stupid" and "moron" to describe his opponents.

Ever.

;-)

DAVE01 said...

ANON 9:16 AM
Why don't you disprove the birther nonsense. Show us what you know about a natural born citizen. Educate us with the vast knowledge between your ears.

Snopes is not a 'legit' source. Only a liberal would use something like that crap site.

Alex III said...

I'm not the Anon who linked to Snopes. I am the Anon who linked to this, which you conveniently ignored. I'm also the Anon who asked you five very relevant questions in the 10:56 post, which you also ignored -- after doing you the courtesy of answering one of your questions (ridiculous as it was) about whether I'd actually seen Obama's birth certificate. So I'm waiting for you to really make your case with some documented, sourced facts instead of cementing your status as Miglavia's biggest bullshitter. You made a vague statement about some "Adobe expert." Fine. I asked you to elaborate. That's how a discussion works. Put up, or shut up.

FP: Wild guess here, but "FP" isn't the "name" on your birth certificate, is it?

FP said...

From our finger-on-the-pulse friend, Anonymous:

"...I suspect even you know that if Newt is the best the GOP can do...they're screwed."

And yet:

"Obama is trailing GOP front-runners Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney in 12 swing states that could decide the 2012 election, a USA Today-Gallup poll revealed yesterday."

I suspect even you know that if the Bamster is the best the Democrats can do... they're screwed.

DAVE01 said...

FP you are wrong. Obama was the best the democrats could do and we were all screwed. Well, not their donors. They are stealing as much as they can with obama's help. The mexicans are getting free guns. We are laundering the terrorists drug money so they aren't inconvenienced.

It seems like the only people benefiting aren't the average American.

About time Alex, now we can have a rational conversation. Here's your answers.
1. Here are two links with the folks. I won't find all the details, you can do that.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=314297
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=314717

The first link was from the guy who exposed Dan Rather's bullshit. In the second link, Gary Poyssick was one of the early people at Adobe. I would think he might know something. I haven't looked into his education or anything else.

2.Look above.
3. Don't know, it looks like Gary writes on a fishing blog or something now.
4.That's funny. You talk about mainstream republicans. Is that like McCain. He's a dirtbag. I might call him one of the main criminals. If you look at his history, he lacks good morals and values. He's been in DC too long. If you take the mainstream people's words, I think you will be very sorry most of the time. I can look at the mainstream democrats and the are RATS. They are un-American and make the mob look like amateurs.
5. I can just as easily say what qualifies you as the decider of experts. Especially since you use factcheck. I like how they say they had their hands on the BC. I say BS, a BC could be printed and the proper stamps and anything else could be added with the right people with the right access to the right equipment.

All the above don't mean shit anyway. Like I said earlier, he could have been born in the white hut and it still wouldn't matter. His father was a British subject or Kenya citizen which disqualifies him from Natural Born status.

Simply being born in the US does not give natural born status.

DAVE01 said...

Alex, Sheriff Joe Arapaio will release his report about Obama in February. I just read right now the DOJ has accused him of violating the civil rights of latinos. It should be interesting to see what he came up with.

Would you like Sheriff's Joe's political affiliation, education and experience too? LMAO

Anonymous said...

FP, what you posted is known as “selection bias”. You posted one poll that made your case, while ignoring those other polls (and there are several) which do not concur.

Look at Pollingreport.com, which compiles data from all the large national polls. Now here’s your homework assignment: Tell me in which poll you see Newt Gingrich beating Obama. Oh heck, I’ll save you the legwork. The answer is “none of them”. In fact, in most of them, Obama wins by double digits if Gingrich is the candidate.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh12gen.htm

And the reason is obvious enough. No liberals will vote for him, he polls very poorly among independents (who decided the last election), and I personally know several conservatives who claim they will sit out the election if Gingrich is the candidate. There’s also a very real possibility that Ron Paul, or perhaps someone else, will run as an Independent. If that happens, that third party candidate will siphon off more than enough conservative votes to easily assure that Obama breezes into his second term. Think Ralph Nader in reverse.

For a conservative FP, you don’t seem to have a very good pulse on what your own ilk are thinking these days. They are sick and tired of “conservatives” like Gingrich, who in many ways represents everything that is wrong with modern-day conservatives. Gingrich is as “D.C. establishment” as a person can be. He is unelectable. Which is precisely why you’re seeing the Democratic talking heads all over TV hoping and praying that the GOP is dumb enough to select Gingrich as their guy. But don’t take my word on this. Ask Daniel himself if he would vote for Gingrich (assuming we ever see Daniel again). I would be very surprised if Daniel said “Yes, I would vote for Gingrich if he was the candidate.” I honestly don’t think he would. And guess what? There are plenty of “Daniels” out there.

But I’m sure you already know all of this FP, even if you’d prefer not to admit it.

Anonymous said...

Dave, it’s funny (although not at all surprising) that you would dismiss Snopes – a relatively unbiased and objective source – but then cite World Net Daily as a credible source. LOL! World Net Daily is the far right-wing’s version of The National Enquirer. It exclusively caters to far-right wing idiots, so it’s no surprise you would find it credible. If you want to really see who WND’s audience is, look at the advertisement s on their site. Those advertisements pretty much say it all.

Alex III said...

So you would "think" that Gary (who writes a fishing blog!) "might" know something? Based on what? Based on what he saw on a computer screen?

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Regarding your point:

All the above don't mean shit anyway ...

I guess we agree on something. Oh wait, we agree on this, too:

I like how they (Factcheck) say they had their hands on the BC...

I like it too. Because it distinguishes them from virtually every other "source" you're able to dredge up from the rightwing echo chambers you inhabit.

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Dave: What the hell does that mean, you like the way they "say" they had their hands on the B.C.? Does that mean you don't believe them? So basically, those guys piled aboard a plane, flew halfway across the Pacific Ocean, visited the Hawaii Department of Health, and personally examined the single sheet of paper that you birthers are obsessed about, and the way you deal with that inconvenient fact is to say, "Well, you say you did, but I don't believe you"?

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I have a couple of questions for you Einstein if you don't mind answering them.
1. Did you read the factcheck article?
2. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
3. Can you explain in the article where and when the team went to Hawaii and examined the original vault copy as you suggested?
4. Do you know what was written when in this article (that's why I'm asking if you have a reading comprehension problem)?


Like you said, put up or shut up.

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One final question, who was on the BC vetting team, we need to know their credentials, education, political affiliations and so on.

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If those are actually questions in your mind (and I use the term "mind" very loosely) then you are the one with the comprehension problem, not me.

Look at this, idiot:

The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

The beauty of birther "logic," Dave, is that if these named individuals, the official custodians of the records themselves, are somehow not qualified to give the final word on the authenticity of the records, then no one is. You have gone beyond making any kind of argument, let alone a rational one. You have turned the "issue" of Barack Obama's birth certificate into a puzzle that literally has no solution.

It's like two people standing on the beach looking at the moon, and one of them says, "Where's the moon?" The second person replies, pointing, "It's right there." And the other says, "Well, how do you know that's the moon? Have you been there? I don't believe you. That can't be the moon."

At that point, the smartest thing the second person can do at that point is to simply walk away.

Goodbye, idiot. If you get lonely, take it up with FP.

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You pointed out in the article that the team from factcheck examined the original vault copy in Hawaii. I'll ask again, when and where did that team get their hands on it? Are you going to put up or shut up? Also as you requested, supply the names, degrees, and their political affiliations of that team.

I'll respond later to your Chiyome Fukino and Alvin Onaka verifying the long form. As you said, you might want to simply walk away.

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I'll save you some work, when did Chiyome Fukino and Alvin Onaka verify the existence of the long form?

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Did Daniel abandon this blog?

I could understand if he wanted to take a break from it, but it's odd that he wouldn't say, "I'm taking a break...be back in January" or something like that.

Maybe he DID become a guest of the county again. Or maybe he got a real job. Or maybe he fell off the Cain train and suffered a head injury. Or maybe he's too distraught at the current state of the GOP to say much of anything.

Or maybe he just realized that he wasn't doing himself any good by consistently making an ass of himself on the 'Net.

"Funeral services will be held in abstentia."

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Maybe he was deported

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My guess:

1) Miglavs has been distracted by a very serious personal/family crisis and has not had time to blog.

2) He blames this crisis on "illegal aliens."

? :-D

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