I heard the Illinois governor blame the usual suspects for the "gun free zone" shooting last week: video games and our "gun laws." (I think by "gun laws" he means "the bill of rights")
Millions of people play video games but no pattern exists to show they become phsychos. Gun free zone after gun free zone gets shot up but people can't take the hint.
Places not attacked recently:
NRA conventions
The SHOT show
Gun shows
Police precints
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I doubt Reloading 101 would have suffered the same either. That’s a tough call… Desperate third-world countries with their religious zealots will obviously strap on explosives to do their dirty work, and if you can’t safely attend a good dog fight, I doubt you’d be safe in their schools either.
But we’re talking crazy’s, not simply zealots martyring themselves for a vindictive religious leader. Maybe the question comes down to availability? Unlike Europe, most American towns have a gun shop. The last piece I bought needed only a ‘thumb print,’ though I nearly walked out before giving it. No one-week waiting period, as had been customary at my local shop. Of course I had to check a box ‘proving’ I was sane…
You wouldn’t want to invade my neighborhood! ...but would you feel comfortable attending its universities?
Capitalism sells, everything - and if it bleeds it leads. ‘We’ glorify violence and sell it like sex. With an ongoing opportunity to buy unlimited guns and ammo (as much as you can carry) and the instant, if infamous ‘fame’ associated with mass murder, something’s obviously wrong.
As a Dem, I don’t think Ted Kennedy’s got the answer, and he’s not getting mine. But is there an answer?
Young men on heavy duty drugs from the time a teacher decides they can't sit still in class. Schools are the new drug company reps.
Anyone besides me notice that every one of these young people had recently stopped taking their medications? But lets blame guns and video games and not look at the drug industry giving kids drugs that are meant for adults under strict supervision.
anon 949: do you really expect danny to try to hold drug companies accountable? a big-money and powerful lobbying group? No way man! That would make him seem too much like a socialist than he is comfortable with. Don't you know it's all the liberals' fault?
In Miglavia, EVERYTHING is the fault of liberals, despite the fact that the mainstream political discussion has shifted considerably to the right in the past two decades, and the ideological rhetoric voiced from the left is only a quiet whisper compared to what it was during the Civil Rights Era. Still, this is Miglavia, and in Miglavia, liberals are omnimpotent, omnipresent, and destroying the fabric of American society. KNOW IT!
Why would the host of this site sue the doctors & drug companies?
The parents of the shooter and the victims should sue and sue and sue some more.
What's really to blame are the liberal laws that prohibit law-abiding citizens to carry a concealed weapon on a university campus.
Things might have turned out much differently had an armed citizen pulled his/her weapon on this criminal.
Liberals will ALWAYS blame others, never themselves or their ideology.
Yes, faculty and qualified students should be allow to carry concealed handguns on campus. There is nothing any school can do to stop someone from doing this again. He had time to reload, and someone could have had a chance to take him out while he was reloading.
No one sending their child off to college should be opposed to armed faculty.
annon 10:44
Your an idiot!
Note to anon 3/17--you might want to proof-read your posts wherein you call someone an idiot.
Daniel and fellow Miglavians: In accordance with your very interesting perspectives on guns, I propose the following lifestyle change: Why don't you all volunteer for military service (defend your country) and join your fellow Americans (support the troops) in Iraq, and that way, you could live in an area with an extraordinarily high concentration of firearms and weaponry (thus enjoying a high degree of personal safety and security).
Let us know how that goes, will you?
justadog-I think that we need to rethink the whole entire guncarrying policy with regard to age. With the large amount of Repubes going down for child molestation like your friends Bruce The Barber Benkle and Blue Lou Beres, children should be allowed to pack. Maybe then you Repubes will think twice about molesting them.
anon 10:51
What nabout all those dem also!
anon 10:51
that should be dems
It is pretty clear that Republicans got Dems beat hands down:
• Republican presidential campaign official Matthew Joseph Elliott was convicted of sexual exploitation of a child.
• Republican Party Chairman Donald Fleischman was charged with two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child.
• Republican prosecutor John David Roy Atchison was arrested for soliciting sex from a 5-year old girl, then killed himself three weeks later. At the time of his arrest, Atchison was an "assistant U.S. attorney" appointed by President Bush's attorney general.
• Republican city councilman John Bryan killed himself after police began investigating allegations that he had molested three girls, including two of his adopted daughters, ages 12 and 15.
• Republican legislator Ted Klaudt was charged with raping girls under the age of 16.
• Republican city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found guilty of fondling underage girls.
• Republican congressional aide Jeffrey Nielsen was arrested for having sex with a 14-year old boy.
• Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.
• Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.
• Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys -- ages ten and 12 -- during a six-year period.
• Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
• Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.
• Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.
• Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
• Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
• Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
• Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
• Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.
• Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.
• Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
• Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.
• Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
• Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.
• Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.
• Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
• Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
• Republican Committeeman John R. Curtin was convicted of molesting an underage teenage boy and sentenced to serve six to 18 months in prison.
• Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
• Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
• Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
• Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
• Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
• Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
• Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
• Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
• Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
• Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
• Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
• Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
• Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
• Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.
• Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
• Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
• Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer.
• Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
• Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
• Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
• Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
• Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
• Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced prison after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
• Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
• Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
• Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
• Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
• Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
• Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
• Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
• Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
• Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
• Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
• Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
• Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
• Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
• Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
• Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
• Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
• Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
• Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
• Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.
• Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
• Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.
• Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
Republican Sex Scandals Dwarf Those of Democrats
Perspective by Tim King Salem-News.com
The sexual antics of President Bill Clinton have been a dangerous tool in the Republican campaign arsenal, used to the fullest possible extent, but what have they been up to all these years?
(SALEM, Ore.) - "He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones." It seems that old adage may be lost on the confused mass that we call modern society. The Grand Old Party, once known for controversial abolitionists, has become the moral party of today, or so their elected leaders will tell you.
As we evolve as a nation, too many people seem to be clinging to ideologies that make little sense, fighting against a woman's right to abortion while demanding that schools not teach children sex education or instruct them in the deadly virus, AIDS. It creates a vicious circle when we fight ourselves, and deny education to those who need it most.
Our nation spent more tax money conducting Ken Starr's investigation of President Bill Clinton's affair with intern Monica Lewinsky, than they did in the investigation of the September 11th 2001 attacks on the United States. Many Americans fail to see the logic behind this.
Now Oregon's Governor stands at risk, as a right wing radio pundit named Lars Larson levels an accusation against Kulongoski that could mean he could not be a lawyer in Oregon again. Larson says that Kulongoski had the goods on Goldschmidt years ago. Sources are reporting that he could have known about what has become known as the Goldschmidt scandal, as early as 1994.
Kulongoski walked angrily out of a press conference Tuesday, after a TV reporter asked him about the former governor's involvement with the teenage babysitter.
Perhaps the Governor is guilty of having known something he didn't tell. He stated that he is not, but if he is, he may lose his right to have a license to practice law. That would be a real burn if you were Ted Kulongoski, and quite a feather in the cap of Lars Larson, no doubt about it.
As Lars Larson is totally political in his pursuits and ambitions, we thought it would be interesting to offer perspective by determining just how many Republican lawmakers and officials have endured similar scrutiny in recent years for sexual perversions, extramarital affairs, etc. It is a hard number to pinpoint, it just depends on the number of years you account for.
As a subject, it was important enough to see an impeachment of former President Bill Clinton, so fair seems fair.
Then we ran into a problem with the idea of naming these scandals and their Republican perpetrators; there are so many they would hardly fit on the page. Using data from "Moral Values," these citations are otherwise attributed to the original agencies. Here is a partial list of names of serious problems related to GOP movers and shakers.
SEE THE LIST HERE: http://salem-news.com/articles/october172007/repub_scandals_10_17_07.php
I don't know Daniel, my World of Warcraft obsessed friend started mining gold off of me yesterday...
Anon 10:02 PM,
Yes, you are a retard. We already live in an area “with an extraordinarily high concentration of firearms”. It’s called the United States of America and firearm ownership is a right. Of course you won’t know that because you’ve probably never read the Constitution and I’ll bet you’ve never served your country. This being your case – why are you still here? You should leave and take that ungrateful c**t Michelle Obama with you.
classy post anon 118.
Anon 118 -- Shame on you. Shame, shame, shame on you.
The National Rifle Association is an opportunistic, money-grubbing, proto-fascist cult, and any intelligent, self-respecting gun-owning Second Amendment supporter knows it. So that rules out idiot Miglavs, who obviously falls for their bullshit, as he does for so many other brands of bullshit, hook line and sinker.
Good grief, name calling, finger pointing and trash.
Why does no one ask what would make someone do such a terrible act of violence against innocent college kids, or high school kids or kill their parents?
What turns these young men into killers to snap and then kill themselves too. The publicity? The fame or being know as killers?
Don't look to guns, or politics start asking why this happens again and again.
Then look at the school children, especially boys put on drugs at an early age, they are addicts and the schools, doctors and drug companies are to blame for givng kids adults medications that have not been tested on kids.
Small wonder they go crazy and start killing when they quit them and they are so messed up they cannot think straight.
Hey stop grand ol pedophiles:
We could take a look at the list of Democrat sex scandals.
The difference, of course, is how many were DEFENDED and how many STILL SERVE in the Democrat establishment.
My favorite is Congressman Barney Frank, who allowed a gay whore house to be run out of his apartment. He still serves.
Now the Dems are protecting teachers who molest school children in Oregon.
Methinks thou dost protest too much.
ANON 9:21 PM, you are right. In the sixties the government allowed drug companies to start giving children these types of drugs. I could be wrong. If you look at most or all of the shootings, you will find they were on some meds. It's the schools who want 2nd grade johnny to sit calmly when that is not human nature. So, they dope him up. My son 10 yrs ago was on really bad crap. He had all sorts of violent tendencies. Then the piece of shit psychologist who put him on that crap had my son and my mother (my son's mother hasn't seen him since 1987, so my mother was basically his mother) lying to me. My son was arrested in a stolen car doing drugs, and I the legal parent was not notified. My son was staying at my parents and we were not having contact because the psychiatrist said to. My son and I were having a lot of problems over school and I wanted him to get help. That POS psychologist had my son and mother lie to me. The moral of this story, stay away from psychiatrists
and liberals and democrats.
Anonymous 10:51 PM said:
justadog-I think that we need to rethink the whole entire guncarrying policy with regard to age. With the large amount of Repubes going down for child molestation like your friends Bruce The Barber Benkle and Blue Lou Beres, children should be allowed to pack. Maybe then you Repubes will think twice about molesting them.
The last time I checked Neil Goldschmidt was a pedophile, was he a republican? Help me with my memory. Did you vote for Neil or Ted? You put a pedophile in office.
One question for you to help in your logical thinking skills. How come when a republican commits a crime or even what's viewed as unethical, they are thrown to the wolves? How come when a democrat commits a crime or something that is viewed unethical they are rewarded?
Let's use cold cash Jefferson as an example. He gets reelected after he commits his crime and Pelosi tried to put him on one of the big committees. Two years later he finally gets indicted. Let's get more local.
State Sen. Betsy Johnson, the Scappoose Democrat who admitted to violating state ethics laws earlier this year, is under investigation by the local FBI office.
Why is nobody calling for her head. Because the RATS love the criminals. It's the only ones they can get to vote for them.
Everyone one of these killers was on Prozac and quit taking it on their own because they didn't like the way it made them feel like zombies.
Too bad some trial lawyers haven't seen the link - maybe they will someday and start a class-action by all of the parents of the deceased and wounded kids.
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